M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

[Durga]

@flum are you going to solve this game with me?

[snowy801]

I feel like I've missed a lot.

It's been bad.

Re: worcej, yes, but apparently people ignore everything that's been written if it wasn't in the past 5 pages. I'll write up a new summary uh eventually, I guess.

Sigh I never should've made that promise

give me the tldr on worcej

last game he died for being useless lurker
he thereby tries to do something early, and it's awkward and forced
it also never goes anywhere

he immediately believes Jasnah is scum unqualified as soon as Bunny claims
he's indignant that we outed cop instantly as soon as Chaqa claims (EoN that he apparently could be there immediately after for, but not post a single vote change for the two hours prior; sure, real life can suck but I imagine his "I'm with family" excuse last game was genuine but didn't make him any less scum)

he fades away today. Probably a real excuse, but no investment. He somehow always has time to attack my position, but never mention anything else

I guess. It sounded better in my head, but it's mostly a question of who else could it be

[BunnyGo]

Looking at damo's D1, I think his strong town read of PE points to him being the cop. Obviously damo would not want to make it obvious to the mafia that he was the cop, which I think explains the things being pointed to where he does not make it obvious. However, I think the point of damo's PE crumbs as cop would be to identify his clear if he was revealed as the cop, and there is no way anyone besides PE could be interpreted as his clear. Also, his strong town read of PE, starting with his very first post, do not make much sense otherwise, unless he was trying to draw the NK (which is not something I think I have ever seen damo do).

However, I do not think Chaqa should be DKed while it is still possible to resolve the cop question with the JOAT or oracle, in case he really is the cop.

I still think it is very likely jasnah was town. Maybe she was trying to draw the DK because she was VT and did not have time to play. Maybe she was fake claiming for reactions. If she was fake claiming as mafia, I think that would be violating her requirement to try to play to her win condition.

I find those who took the opportunity of the miller CCs to try to set up DKs of jasnah and BunnyGo suspicious, specifically worcej and Jamie.

I also find Fluminator's switch from worcej to jasnah as soon as Chaqa claimed cop suspicious, because he knew worcej would be picking up Chaqa votes. However, Fluminator can only be scum with Chaqa, so if he was protecting worcej, that would mean Fluminator, Chaqa, and worcej are all scum, which is not outside the realm of possibility.

Overall, I think worcej and Jamie are our best chances at scum.

##VOTE Jamie

Oh so Bozo is just scum, cool.

Put your money where your mouth is and VOTE

Hey chaq...does this Bona stuff seem pushy to you? I can't put my finger on any specifics, but every time I start to wonder if he's town he sets off my hackles again.

[ghug]

Did it come before or after you said that?

After

See Flum's as a statement after that was clearly meant to garner townreads.

I've been saying this before the game even started

I know, but you said it again after I said it would make you look townie.

[Fluminator]

@flum are you going to solve this game with me?

I just figured out snowy is town and now I feel bad calling him dumb. Give me a bit and I'll get the rest of the town.

[Durga]

It's been bad.

Re: worcej, yes, but apparently people ignore everything that's been written if it wasn't in the past 5 pages. I'll write up a new summary uh eventually, I guess.

Sigh I never should've made that promise

give me the tldr on worcej

last game he died for being useless lurker
he thereby tries to do something early, and it's awkward and forced
it also never goes anywhere

he immediately believes Jasnah is scum unqualified as soon as Bunny claims
he's indignant that we outed cop instantly as soon as Chaqa claims (EoN that he apparently could be there immediately after for, but not post a single vote change for the two hours prior; sure, real life can suck but I imagine his "I'm with family" excuse last game was genuine but didn't make him any less scum)

he fades away today. Probably a real excuse, but no investment. He somehow always has time to attack my position, but never mention anything else

I guess. It sounded better in my head, but it's mostly a question of who else could it be

I felt like you were flip flopping on him on d1 on the last day and it killed some momentum on the wagon. In fact, I remember feeling like you actively tried to kill the wagon. Do you disagree?

[Fluminator]

After

See Flum's as a statement after that was clearly meant to garner townreads.

I've been saying this before the game even started

I know, but you said it again after I said it would make you look townie.

Well yes, obviously.

[BunnyGo]

I do think there is a good chance damo was the cop, that the mafia knew he was the cop, and that Chaqa is scum counting on damo being the cop.

Also, yes, Jamie is one of my top scum suspects.

That simply is not how I play mafia (the alignment).

Ask anyone who has ever been on a team with me.

I kill people who have good reads and high post counts

I specifically leave players like Damo or Jamie or Brain alive who I feel can be manipulated and cause distractions

This isn't accurate - you often push high-risk, crazy wifom plays as scum.

In fact, that's the least fun part about being on a scum team with you: I have to be a voice of reason instead of doing what I want.

[BunnyGo]

I do think there is a good chance damo was the cop, that the mafia knew he was the cop, and that Chaqa is scum counting on damo being the cop.

Also, yes, Jamie is one of my top scum suspects.

That simply is not how I play mafia (the alignment).

Ask anyone who has ever been on a team with me.

I kill people who have good reads and high post counts

I specifically leave players like Damo or Jamie or Brain alive who I feel can be manipulated and cause distractions

This isn't accurate - you often push high-risk, crazy wifom plays as scum.

you = Chaqa. Kgray is always steady on a scumteam.

[Bonatogether]

Oh so Bozo is just scum, cool.

Put your money where your mouth is and VOTE

Hey chaq...does this Bona stuff seem pushy to you? I can't put my finger on any specifics, but every time I start to wonder if he's town he sets off my hackles again.

You always scumread me, regardless of my alignment, from what I recall

[Fluminator]

@flum are you going to solve this game with me?

My town list is currently
you
Snowy
PE
Chaqa (willing to hear arguments he's not)
Bunny
Sabi

ghug I'm assuming is town right now
Vecna is just enough on the cusp that I'm not suspicious yet, but he's definitely not locktown.

[Durga]

@flum are you going to solve this game with me?

My town list is currently
you
Snowy
PE
Chaqa (willing to hear arguments he's not)
Bunny
Sabi

ghug I'm assuming is town right now
Vecna is just enough on the cusp that I'm not suspicious yet, but he's definitely not locktown.

can you tell me why you moved snowy from scum to town

[snowy801]

ok while I'm at it tl;dr Chaqa

So look, whenever there's a cop in the game every scum player's going to claim it right, because why wouldn't you

miller was outed, who cares about oracle therefore generously assuming that we could've hit either cop or doc we'll upgrade from a measly 1/21 to a 2/21 for accidental PR hits D1. Vs. 4 scum fake claiming to save themselves, which is exactly how EoD1 came off as

further, consider the mindset of a scum, crumbing cop. If someone were to discover it a la damo, and it turns out someone else was actually the cop wouldn't you be suspicious? So you hide it as best you can, and Chaqa made his virtually impossible to spot authentically (Se7en is not a reference known to me, but even if it were his choosing that particular movie out of all references), also his first 7 posts comes in burst which doesn't align at all with what he proposed would happen, and also it as a pretty shitty crumb all around anyway that relied on someone else's action that he could not possibly have anticipated

I don't read too deeply into his n1 stuff, but d1 the first thing he said was "I was RB'd", not "syke I was actually the cop" which is literally the first thing any cop should've said in that scenario. His retracting his retraction was pretty weak if you care to go take alook, he would've expected there to be a decent chance to die anyway but what I might generously consider "important pre-death information" was spilled all over the place instead of waiting until last minute, even when he clearly was around last second?

Not a chance Chaqa is cop

[BunnyGo]

##vote bona

Why are you doing these weird 'vote for one person, then switch to another immediately after' things?

Well...Jamie keeps telling me to. And town!Jamie usually knows what's what. But not when he's on tilt. So I keep trying to do what he says, but I'm not happy about it.

Then I decided: you know what? Bozo is reminding me of his scum game. Though he's usually more steady. But as soon as I voted him, YOU kept posting in ways I can't stop thinking "seriously? How is nobody calling him on this shit? Is he pulling the too scummy to be scum thing again, but everyone has played with him too much?"

So I'm voting you again.

And the short posts was because I was doing most of this on my phone while making sure my kids stayed asleep.

[Fluminator]

@flum are you going to solve this game with me?

My town list is currently
you
Snowy
PE
Chaqa (willing to hear arguments he's not)
Bunny
Sabi

ghug I'm assuming is town right now
Vecna is just enough on the cusp that I'm not suspicious yet, but he's definitely not locktown.

can you tell me why you moved snowy from scum to town

It was mostly this sentence

I guess. It sounded better in my head, but it's mostly a question of who else could it be

The thing I also thought he was being too dumb about he claimed was a reaction test which is like, ok fine.

[BunnyGo]

Put your money where your mouth is and VOTE

Hey chaq...does this Bona stuff seem pushy to you? I can't put my finger on any specifics, but every time I start to wonder if he's town he sets off my hackles again.

You always scumread me, regardless of my alignment, from what I recall

Hmm...that's interesting. From what everyone is saying your game has improved a lot since we last played together.

What would you say has fundamentally changed since I last played with you?

[Fluminator]

Doom and Bona are also people I'm not suspicious about, but I haven't really looked at them.

[ghug]

I've been saying this before the game even started

I know, but you said it again after I said it would make you look townie.

Well yes, obviously.

Well yeah, there's nothing wrong with it. It's a good example though.

[snowy801]

give me the tldr on worcej

last game he died for being useless lurker
he thereby tries to do something early, and it's awkward and forced
it also never goes anywhere

he immediately believes Jasnah is scum unqualified as soon as Bunny claims
he's indignant that we outed cop instantly as soon as Chaqa claims (EoN that he apparently could be there immediately after for, but not post a single vote change for the two hours prior; sure, real life can suck but I imagine his "I'm with family" excuse last game was genuine but didn't make him any less scum)

he fades away today. Probably a real excuse, but no investment. He somehow always has time to attack my position, but never mention anything else

I guess. It sounded better in my head, but it's mostly a question of who else could it be

I felt like you were flip flopping on him on d1 on the last day and it killed some momentum on the wagon. In fact, I remember feeling like you actively tried to kill the wagon. Do you disagree?

I would definitely disagree, though at the time Flum was my preferred vote

There's no certainty, and I was more interested in seeing if anyone would try to save Chaqa if I pushed his wagon past worcej's (I think the momentum for Jasnah kill was dead), and see what would come of it then

Also I was driving home for most the last hour and you may be confusing absence for indecision idk. I wasn't particularly sold on worcej scum until he showed up immediately after RHK posted his EoD (I mean like he says he's busy but like I had the thing on a 10s auto-refresh and he somehow beat me to first post? Says he was constantly looking, which does not agree with "work keeps me busy")

[BunnyGo]

<snip>

Hey I like kgray a lot. But she's scum.

Why?