Bona: You had reads on me where you said I didn't post when at the time I was one of the most active posters by post count, was the #1 by words, and had been an active leader in discussions on miller/dk which were the primary 2 decisions at the time.Bonatogether wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 10:21 pm<snip>TheFlyingBoat wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 8:36 amA lot to catch up on, and I am sorry in advance if I missed any question asked of me. Please re-ask if I did. Anyways I wanted to post my reads that I have coming into this day based on old stuff and a combination of VCA at the end of Day 1 and frustration with the possibly fake cop claim. Will adjust based on the catch up I do tomorrow while I lounge around and follow my many fantasy teams.
Bonatogether
Slight town. I think Bona's contributions have gotten better over time in terms of actually taking strong stances and he does seem to be more actively engaged in discussions and offering opinions that I can sort of follow. I think they're mostly wrong and his reads aren't very good, but in the end I don't think they're bad because he's scummy, I think they're just not good. Either he's town or a god-tier scum player.
bozotheclown
Slight town. While I disliked his early support for no-kill Day 1 I appreciated him eventually coming around and more importantly I very much appreciated his defense of jasnah. Killing 2 towns in consecutive DKs is bad. Standing against it vociferously is good.
Fluminator
The immense size of Chaqa's balls to claim his cleared townie was a fellow mafia member is so large to be impossible. For that reason I think Flum has to be town. Also the fact the bot testing he was doing actually found a real issue and was motivated by the fact he realized there was an actual issue neutered some of my animosity towards what I perceived as a waste of time and a failure to hunt.
snowy801
Neutral. The guy has buddied me a lot which makes me a little worried he is trying to play me for a fool with idle flattery and the such from calling me great and my haters a bag of dicks to saying I was based and pink pilled. That being said I feel like he has posted a lout of well thought out posts, posted original thoughts, and was in favor of keeping discussions on track and away from shitposts.
TheFlyingBoat
Town. Great guy imo. 10/10 would trust
Tom Bombadil
Null. Dude must be lost in the Shire.
Vecna
Slight town. I liked him shooting down some of the dumber Oracle/JOAT suggestion wrt how to handle the jasnah/bunny miller claim. That bought some red with me. Scum seems predisposed to just letting PRs waste their time there. It's odd how much he wanted to protect worcej, but hey everyone has their town reads and he stuck to his so fair enough.
worcej
Slight scum. Didn't like his no kill position, especially disliked his kill both position which he continued to maintain, view him as generally taking anti-town positions, but the conviction and anger he has seems to often come from a town place. I did like his flavius view of Sabi even though I myself no longer quite share it. I don't like his attempt to make discussion of Bunny being the Miller again and again. I thought it was resolved and I think bringing it up generally serves just to distract town.
me: Which stances are wrong? Specification is good for town cause then it's not just a wishy-washy 'oh i think he's making bad reads' that people can't push back on.
bozo: "Standing against it [dking town 2 days in a row] vociferously is good." Wow, what an idea! I never thought of that. What a thing that scum would never think of! What a total towntell. The rest of your reasoning isn't bad, but it's also not a towntell. Scum aren't solely making scum-benefit arguments - they mix it up. Some make almost entirely arguments that benefit town, and so this doesn't indicate that bozo is town.
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flum: you haven't played with chaqa so this is a bad argument. That's not a way to prove flum's innocence and it's kinda weird, cause I figure you know enough to not make this argument?
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snowy: I feel like this should either be scum or town, and not null. You have decently strong arguments for both, and that shouldn't exactly even out. Null is 'no read'. There is no such thing as 'equally scummy and towny'
boat: you stabbed me just last night ffs
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And while I agree on your general read for Sabi being town, your reasoning that they were posting things that made logical sense for a newbie to think made zero sense to me. Reading their posts was a ton of shitposts which are easy to make without fear if you're not materially engaging in the game at all. That being said the townslip on the scum QT was enough to make me think you were right there for the wrong reasons. You meta analysis was sparse and specious for a lot of people that made it not particularly helpful after Eden asked you to post an analysis on everyone based on your earlier meta summary (which I did appreciate)
Bozo: I was probably overly terse here and left what I thought was obvious unsaid. The fact I felt he was co-leading that march with me and a couple others is what gives me the town read. There were others who eventually agreed who I did not give the same level of credit for. And yes I know they will not make exclusively scum-benefit args, but the scum-benefit args imo are easier to make than the town-benefit ones wrt to this particular argument. Sticking your neck out there is hard and gives me town vibes. When we were first arguing it, it was not the default popular assumption it was.
Flum: I have played once with Chaqa at least once before in M56. I played pretty terribly that game because I was really busy IRL. Was also a year ago and the game ended prematurely with a mafia concession so I didn't have the time to really get a good read on Chaqa and certainly remember little of that game. But maybe I am wrong and it is possible that Chaqa would have the balls to confirm his partner as town, but I just don't view that as likely behavior when it could result in a follow up cop scan that result in two dead mafia on 1 scan. (If Flum turns up mafia then he and chaqa would both die. I suppose maybe it might make sense to try it with the godfather, but even that would carry incredible risk)
Snowy: I said neutral, not null. I drew a dissection between the two for a reason. I had scum leans and town leans that kind of balanced out, but day 2 behavior has given the scum leans slightly more credence as the "I don't like to take stances at the beginning of the day" line seemed kinda sus.