I want to address that last part a bit.kgray wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 1:55 pmI will try but I think I will be mostly rehashing what I’ve already said.Vecna wrote: ↑Sun Sep 26, 2021 11:10 amIm trying not to spam the thread with old shit and will format stuff into one post for most, but this thing does stand out to me from the period leading upto EoD 1.kgray wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:55 pm
It's the timing that makes me thing it's unlikely to come from scum, not the emotion. Nobody is actually afraid of getting DK'd 5 hours into the game. Way more likely that town is irritated that people are already declaring them scum and reacting out of frustration than scum is panicking that they're under pressure of being found out.
Unless Chaqa is frustrated that Vecna is his teammate, maybe.
So this post was made by Kgray, but then later on she voted for Chaqa for very long stretches of time (just before switching to Seren who she had been defending all day iirc?) - and now she is back to voting Chaqa.
Kgray, can you describe your trajectory a bit better to me?
But, more importantly, do you really figure I would have made that giant history post on Chaqa if I was his scummate here? Detailing all his reactions to getting scumread in previous games for both alignments?
(its still interesting to me how noone reacted well to that, but now apparently chaqa is backed into a corner after all, and doing all kinds of crazy stuff).
Chaqa, as scum, has been on the block a lot. Not saying he isn’t good at it, just that he’s played so much that it happens. And he has also been on the block a lot without actually being the kill. In fact, I remember him bragging in scumchat about how he’s good at weaseling his way out of a DK.
I therefore do not think it makes a lot of sense for scum!Chaqa to panic about gaining suspicion as early into the game (and the phase in particular, given more wagons were bound to pop up). He is experienced enough to have been in much more dire positions before and would have zero reason to believe he was actually caught that early.
So, I thought it was much more likely he was frustrated because you were wrong about him than scared that you were right. The thought also crossed my mind that he could have been frustrated as scum if you were his teammate and he didn’t approve of you busing him. It could also have been frustration at someone else who was less vocal about bussing him.
I don’t think it’s extremely likely that you are his teammate given your digging through his history, no. I remember thinking about the time when you fooled me in that mini game because you were “solving” so much, but that felt more like carefully agreeing with “good points” and bringing up counter arguments and I don’t remember you digging that much into any one read. Of course I think it’s possible that you’re his teammate who knows town doesn’t listen to those arguments very much, but I don’t think it’s likely.
After that exchange there were points brought up that lead to scum!Chaqa reads but the early emotion he displayed kept me from agreeing with a scumread. But suspicion was growing and then I found something I thought was more convincing that that display of emotion.
I initially believed his cop claim, but apparently that was a heat-of-the-moment thing because I no longer do. He just didn’t seem genuine in the way he said “if jasnah can fake claim, so can I” and he’s for sure not a VT. I was also expecting him to immediate reclaim cop and admit he took it back briefly for wifom, and he didn’t do that but claimed the RB. I don’t think he’s the cop so I think he’s scum.
Me saying “if jasnah can fake claim so can I” was part of me trying to sell it to mafia that I was not cop. If I hadn’t been roleblocked, my plan was to continue to try to stay alive and reveal any scans I get when I’m about to get daykilled.
People have said I thought jasnah was town.
That just isn’t true. I thought she *could* be town, but equally as likely she could be scum, and I literally quite meant it like that. The discussion on connotations I mentioned earlier in the game is one where I was explaining to Eden that my brain just doesn’t do connotation at all. I’m extremely literal and straightforward.
My view on it was jasnah could be scum, and if not, she is the least likely town to help us achieve a win, so she should be the day 1 kill.
I even mentioned at some point that by locking her in as our D1, we didn’t risk outing any PRs. This is the same stance I had on Day3 of last game, and was another subtle way to hint that i was a PR.
Sure. I didn’t play this perfectly, but I feel like scum was saving their teammate jasnah by redirecting onto worcej and myself. I cannot rationally believe anyone would earnestly rather vote out me, worcej, or others over jasnah after that miserable day 1 performance.