M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

[Durga]

What’s your drink?

White wine

Zzzz

did i ask for your opinion? no. i did not. stay dead smh

[Durga]

Good luck . I've had enough*.

Must admit having skimmed catchup it's mostly juvenile bullshit.

I suggest we kill off the dross.

If I am in the minority I retire.

Over to you.

* alc, not the game.

If you are unsure whether you are dross or not, you are dross.

What does this mean

[snowy801]

@Eden/Bona/whoever:

Three questions:

1. Do you contest the crumbs I made on page 7 of me as cop w/ N0 scan on Flum?

2. If you do, do you think that's something that I would think to set up so early into the game? Rephrasing, is that really in character for me?

3. If I were mafia, why would I withdraw my claim?

Hi, whoever here.

I found it to be very strange. Fluminator first posted on page 5, on a very active channel. What guarantee did you even have that he'd do so before p7, assuming you planned to Se7en crumb in the prior day?

Personally I'm of the opinion that scum crumbs should be designed to be nigh invisible, since if a real PR caught onto it they'd have reason to suspect you. It was not reasonable for anyone to be expected to catch your crumb, I think.

And I note that you did not withdraw your claim, and very few people actually expected you to for whatever noise you made overnight.

[snowy801]

Good luck . I've had enough*.

Must admit having skimmed catchup it's mostly juvenile bullshit.

I suggest we kill off the dross.

If I am in the minority I retire.

Over to you.

* alc, not the game.

If you are unsure whether you are dross or not, you are dross.

What does this mean

I suspect the dross here refers to people who didn't vote for Jasnah, but God only knows now

[Durga]

First analysis of a pair of players: Bona-Durga

They've impressively voted for a combined 11 people (Bona voted 4 and Durga 8, and both voted Chaq and different times).

As for their interactions. Despite talking around each other and in parallel with each other, they manage to address each other exactly once. (for any new players, or old players who don't know go to https://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/search and type in Bona* the star gets you anything starting with Bona and search for words Durg*, then swap).

Bona only mentions Durga when he's quoting someone else about her, or including her in a list of everyone.

He cheerfully asks kgray why she's including durga on her list of possible scum.

When ghug votes Durga, his response is "So scummy it can't be scum"

And that's basically it (he references her interactions with others a couple times and always in ways that subtly compliment her, but never really address her or have her as the main topic).

Swapping now Durga mentions Bona a total of 4 times all day including in quotes. First to say on page 6 that there are no actual game reasons to kill Bona. OF COURSE NOT...it was page 6!

Who is opposed to killing Bona?

Me. Why would we kill Bona for actual game reasons?

Then she told Bona he was being a bit much:

I couldn't find the post of ghug's but it was something like 'town bona is just weird and gets killed for it, scum bona imitates that in an over-the-top way but it works cause it's counterintuitive'

tbh you're feeling a little over the top

He wasn't addressing her, and she immediately makes a second post before anyone else to change the subject.

Then later Durga/snowy/kgray are talking about bozo.

He was suspicious about me/Sabi/bona knowing each other, which is pretty standard. And he suggested I was part of scum theater, which is also something town!bozo does basically every game I'm in.

Oh I remember that now. All of that felt really forced to me, and hyper focused on you, which is also weird.

And that's about it.

Conclusions? I'm just surprised that the two of them managed to both be fairly active, and basically the same times, and engage with lots of players--except each other.

Time for sleep (my date is complaining about the typing waking her).

???????? what does this mean? that i'm scum with bona because you don't think we interacted a certain way? a lot of this post is a really ingenuine way to look at my interactions with him. i made a second post to change the subject? like what? i post a million things all the time it doesn't mean i'm changing the subject just because a second post might be about something else.

I don't know how much I interacted with bona but if I didn't do it much I probably didn't have much to say about him. There are 21 people in this game and he's pretty null for me so far.

[Chaqa]

@Eden/Bona/whoever:

Three questions:

1. Do you contest the crumbs I made on page 7 of me as cop w/ N0 scan on Flum?

2. If you do, do you think that's something that I would think to set up so early into the game? Rephrasing, is that really in character for me?

3. If I were mafia, why would I withdraw my claim?

Hi, whoever here.

I found it to be very strange. Fluminator first posted on page 5, on a very active channel. What guarantee did you even have that he'd do so before p7, assuming you planned to Se7en crumb in the prior day?

Personally I'm of the opinion that scum crumbs should be designed to be nigh invisible, since if a real PR caught onto it they'd have reason to suspect you. It was not reasonable for anyone to be expected to catch your crumb, I think.

And I note that you did not withdraw your claim, and very few people actually expected you to for whatever noise you made overnight.

Oh, I was thinking of a way to crumb it and seven was on my mind, Flum just happened to post that “trust me guys” message on like page 5 or 6 and it was perfect. I originally was going to make my seventh post mention Flum, but I miscounted and realized it on post 8.

[Durga]

Go to bed

I'm not up at 3 AM.

"Hi ghug. I'm happy you don't have the coronavirus. You're clearly town but I might not be." -Nice Durga

do you scum read me or not? or are you scum reading me just enough so that if i ever get day killed you don't look weird on my wagon?

[President Eden]

Wait can an Oracle be death rb'd?

If so I say we for sure keep Chaqa around at leaat a little bit

The Oracle's reveal power cannot be roleblocked, no.

The selection of the power can be.

If Damo were Oracle and was roleblocked (with me fake claiming), he would not reveal anything, at least based on how I interpret things.

That isn't what happened, so we can safely assume Damo is not Oracle.

Or, at least, I can.

The plain language of the role suggests strongly that it cannot be roleblocked at all:

“… At Night, you may ##REVEAL a DEAD player. If you die from any method, that player’s ROLE and ALIGNMENT will be publicly posted in the game thread, You may change your REVEAL target on future nights. Your ability cannot be roleblocked.”

We can be certain that damo is not the Oracle, and almost certain jasnah is not, so we have an Oracle, so in theory we could let you live until the Oracle pops off and reveals damo was the Cop, or until we’re at 9.

That is the only condition by which I would assent to your continued survival. I am not at all impressed by your alleged breadcrumb, which wouldn’t have taken that long to find and make up if you were mafia and decided to claim Cop. I am quite certain you’re mafia, but I recognize this is a pretty good test case for the Oracle’s ability, and so I am fine with voting someone else off on the basis that we will resolve your slot with the Oracle at some point anyway.

[Chaqa]

@Eden/Bona/whoever:

Three questions:

1. Do you contest the crumbs I made on page 7 of me as cop w/ N0 scan on Flum?

2. If you do, do you think that's something that I would think to set up so early into the game? Rephrasing, is that really in character for me?

3. If I were mafia, why would I withdraw my claim?

1. They exist but are easily fakeable.

2. Yes.

3. Because that's the obvious move for town to make to survive here.

You think I just so happened to realize I had made a "I trust you" post, on page seven, that linked to someone who coincedentally was a VT, all with 5 minutes to end of phase?

That's... ugh.

It's also so far out of my playstyle. There's a lot of things I do, but I don't think anyone could find an example of me faking crumbs as scum on Day 1.

[Chaqa]

The Oracle's reveal power cannot be roleblocked, no.

The selection of the power can be.

If Damo were Oracle and was roleblocked (with me fake claiming), he would not reveal anything, at least based on how I interpret things.

That isn't what happened, so we can safely assume Damo is not Oracle.

Or, at least, I can.

The plain language of the role suggests strongly that it cannot be roleblocked at all:

“… At Night, you may ##REVEAL a DEAD player. If you die from any method, that player’s ROLE and ALIGNMENT will be publicly posted in the game thread, You may change your REVEAL target on future nights. Your ability cannot be roleblocked.”

We can be certain that damo is not the Oracle, and almost certain jasnah is not, so we have an Oracle, so in theory we could let you live until the Oracle pops off and reveals damo was the Cop, or until we’re at 9.

That is the only condition by which I would assent to your continued survival. I am not at all impressed by your alleged breadcrumb, which wouldn’t have taken that long to find and make up if you were mafia and decided to claim Cop. I am quite certain you’re mafia, but I recognize this is a pretty good test case for the Oracle’s ability, and so I am fine with voting someone else off on the basis that we will resolve your slot with the Oracle at some point anyway.

##CallGM: Can the Oracle be roleblocked from choosing a target on the night they do so?

[President Eden]

@Eden/Bona/whoever:

Three questions:

1. Do you contest the crumbs I made on page 7 of me as cop w/ N0 scan on Flum?

2. If you do, do you think that's something that I would think to set up so early into the game? Rephrasing, is that really in character for me?

3. If I were mafia, why would I withdraw my claim?

Hi, whoever here.

I found it to be very strange. Fluminator first posted on page 5, on a very active channel. What guarantee did you even have that he'd do so before p7, assuming you planned to Se7en crumb in the prior day?

Personally I'm of the opinion that scum crumbs should be designed to be nigh invisible, since if a real PR caught onto it they'd have reason to suspect you. It was not reasonable for anyone to be expected to catch your crumb, I think.

And I note that you did not withdraw your claim, and very few people actually expected you to for whatever noise you made overnight.

Oh, I was thinking of a way to crumb it and seven was on my mind, Flum just happened to post that “trust me guys” message on like page 5 or 6 and it was perfect. I originally was going to make my seventh post mention Flum, but I miscounted and realized it on post 8.

You decided on a Se7en-based crumb. You planned to make it your 7th post but miscounted. Then it just so happened that your 8th post was going to be on page 7, and in the interim your d0 scan posted, making it work? That is your story?

[Durga]

First analysis of a pair of players: Bona-Durga

<snip>

Conclusions? I'm just surprised that the two of them managed to both be fairly active, and basically the same times, and engage with lots of players--except each other.

Time for sleep (my date is complaining about the typing waking her).

What conclusions do you draw from it? You did the analysis.

As a bayesian signal only: I had previous had a null on Durga and a scumlean on you. This moved her higher as a consequence and you as well.

My thoughts on hunting here: I need to find whole teams because finding individuals and then using their flips to update my priors on other reads doesn't work.

i think you actually need to do the opposite. you need to find scummy players individually in this set up. it is way too easy to manipulate interactions with people to look a certain way. your analysis post on me and bona was terrible and if i was scum i could have very easily avoided interacting with a town bona if i wanted to, or vice versa. plus without the flip you can't assume the other player is guilty by association.

the play here is to find all the scummy individuals because we're never gonna find the teams without any info

[snowy801]

Hi, whoever here.

I found it to be very strange. Fluminator first posted on page 5, on a very active channel. What guarantee did you even have that he'd do so before p7, assuming you planned to Se7en crumb in the prior day?

Personally I'm of the opinion that scum crumbs should be designed to be nigh invisible, since if a real PR caught onto it they'd have reason to suspect you. It was not reasonable for anyone to be expected to catch your crumb, I think.

And I note that you did not withdraw your claim, and very few people actually expected you to for whatever noise you made overnight.

Oh, I was thinking of a way to crumb it and seven was on my mind, Flum just happened to post that “trust me guys” message on like page 5 or 6 and it was perfect. I originally was going to make my seventh post mention Flum, but I miscounted and realized it on post 8.

You decided on a Se7en-based crumb. You planned to make it your 7th post but miscounted. Then it just so happened that your 8th post was going to be on page 7, and in the interim your d0 scan posted, making it work? That is your story?

I mean when you put it like that it sounds even worse than it did in my head

[Chaqa]

The Oracle's reveal power cannot be roleblocked, no.

The selection of the power can be.

If Damo were Oracle and was roleblocked (with me fake claiming), he would not reveal anything, at least based on how I interpret things.

That isn't what happened, so we can safely assume Damo is not Oracle.

Or, at least, I can.

The plain language of the role suggests strongly that it cannot be roleblocked at all:

“… At Night, you may ##REVEAL a DEAD player. If you die from any method, that player’s ROLE and ALIGNMENT will be publicly posted in the game thread, You may change your REVEAL target on future nights. Your ability cannot be roleblocked.”

We can be certain that damo is not the Oracle, and almost certain jasnah is not, so we have an Oracle, so in theory we could let you live until the Oracle pops off and reveals damo was the Cop, or until we’re at 9.

That is the only condition by which I would assent to your continued survival. I am not at all impressed by your alleged breadcrumb, which wouldn’t have taken that long to find and make up if you were mafia and decided to claim Cop. I am quite certain you’re mafia, but I recognize this is a pretty good test case for the Oracle’s ability, and so I am fine with voting someone else off on the basis that we will resolve your slot with the Oracle at some point anyway.

Nah, because with this plan you guys will not listen to a word I say all game or until the Oracle reveals damo is not the cop.

Which means either:
1. you vote me out now so I don't have to deal with the cumulative stupidity of it all
2. I don't contribute anythign meaningful since it won't be here anyway.

I'm willing to sheep Flum or Bunny for the rest of the game if need be. Or any other mechanical clears.


Also, the last constructive thing I feel like sharing:
We should not vote Lfischl today. I'm pretty sure I saw something that is reason to keep him alive.

I'm sure you'll be duty bound to vote him anyway and go 2/2 on dumb wagons.

[President Eden]

@Eden/Bona/whoever:

Three questions:

1. Do you contest the crumbs I made on page 7 of me as cop w/ N0 scan on Flum?

2. If you do, do you think that's something that I would think to set up so early into the game? Rephrasing, is that really in character for me?

3. If I were mafia, why would I withdraw my claim?

1. They exist but are easily fakeable.

2. Yes.

3. Because that's the obvious move for town to make to survive here.

You think I just so happened to realize I had made a "I trust you" post, on page seven, that linked to someone who coincedentally was a VT, all with 5 minutes to end of phase?

That's... ugh.

It's also so far out of my playstyle. There's a lot of things I do, but I don't think anyone could find an example of me faking crumbs as scum on Day 1.

You knew you were on the block for quite some time before the claim. You had time to go dig through it and pick something out. I could not begin to speculate why you chose the post you did, and I acknowledge that not being able to do so makes the counter explanation weaker. But you frame it as though any contrary explanation is impossible, or that we should think it impossible, and it’s simply not.

[Bonatogether]

@Eden/Bona/whoever:

Three questions:

1. Do you contest the crumbs I made on page 7 of me as cop w/ N0 scan on Flum?

2. If you do, do you think that's something that I would think to set up so early into the game? Rephrasing, is that really in character for me?

3. If I were mafia, why would I withdraw my claim?

1. They exist but are easily fakeable.

2. Yes.

3. Because that's the obvious move for town to make to survive here.

You think I just so happened to realize I had made a "I trust you" post, on page seven, that linked to someone who coincedentally was a VT, all with 5 minutes to end of phase?

That's... ugh.

It's also so far out of my playstyle. There's a lot of things I do, but I don't think anyone could find an example of me faking crumbs as scum on Day 1.

No, I believe that your story about catching flum's post and having that idea, but I do not believe that it is strongly indicative of you being cop.



You're not a static player.

[Chaqa]

Hi, whoever here.

I found it to be very strange. Fluminator first posted on page 5, on a very active channel. What guarantee did you even have that he'd do so before p7, assuming you planned to Se7en crumb in the prior day?

Personally I'm of the opinion that scum crumbs should be designed to be nigh invisible, since if a real PR caught onto it they'd have reason to suspect you. It was not reasonable for anyone to be expected to catch your crumb, I think.

And I note that you did not withdraw your claim, and very few people actually expected you to for whatever noise you made overnight.

Oh, I was thinking of a way to crumb it and seven was on my mind, Flum just happened to post that “trust me guys” message on like page 5 or 6 and it was perfect. I originally was going to make my seventh post mention Flum, but I miscounted and realized it on post 8.

You decided on a Se7en-based crumb. You planned to make it your 7th post but miscounted. Then it just so happened that your 8th post was going to be on page 7, and in the interim your d0 scan posted, making it work? That is your story?

No.

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?us ... t=d1-&g=70

I realized I fucked up when I posted post 8 on page 6. It just so happened Flum put the perfect opportunity in front of me. I tried to make my post the first post of page seven but failed.

[snowy801]

The selection of the power can be.

If Damo were Oracle and was roleblocked (with me fake claiming), he would not reveal anything, at least based on how I interpret things.

That isn't what happened, so we can safely assume Damo is not Oracle.

Or, at least, I can.

The plain language of the role suggests strongly that it cannot be roleblocked at all:

“… At Night, you may ##REVEAL a DEAD player. If you die from any method, that player’s ROLE and ALIGNMENT will be publicly posted in the game thread, You may change your REVEAL target on future nights. Your ability cannot be roleblocked.”

We can be certain that damo is not the Oracle, and almost certain jasnah is not, so we have an Oracle, so in theory we could let you live until the Oracle pops off and reveals damo was the Cop, or until we’re at 9.

That is the only condition by which I would assent to your continued survival. I am not at all impressed by your alleged breadcrumb, which wouldn’t have taken that long to find and make up if you were mafia and decided to claim Cop. I am quite certain you’re mafia, but I recognize this is a pretty good test case for the Oracle’s ability, and so I am fine with voting someone else off on the basis that we will resolve your slot with the Oracle at some point anyway.

Nah, because with this plan you guys will not listen to a word I say all game or until the Oracle reveals damo is not the cop.

Which means either:
1. you vote me out now so I don't have to deal with the cumulative stupidity of it all
2. I don't contribute anythign meaningful since it won't be here anyway.

I'm willing to sheep Flum or Bunny for the rest of the game if need be. Or any other mechanical clears.


Also, the last constructive thing I feel like sharing:
We should not vote Lfischl today. I'm pretty sure I saw something that is reason to keep him alive.

I'm sure you'll be duty bound to vote him anyway and go 2/2 on dumb wagons.

Oh yeah lfischl was such a serious wagon that you had to go all PR hunty for it, is that your position?

[Chaqa]

The plain language of the role suggests strongly that it cannot be roleblocked at all:

“… At Night, you may ##REVEAL a DEAD player. If you die from any method, that player’s ROLE and ALIGNMENT will be publicly posted in the game thread, You may change your REVEAL target on future nights. Your ability cannot be roleblocked.”

We can be certain that damo is not the Oracle, and almost certain jasnah is not, so we have an Oracle, so in theory we could let you live until the Oracle pops off and reveals damo was the Cop, or until we’re at 9.

That is the only condition by which I would assent to your continued survival. I am not at all impressed by your alleged breadcrumb, which wouldn’t have taken that long to find and make up if you were mafia and decided to claim Cop. I am quite certain you’re mafia, but I recognize this is a pretty good test case for the Oracle’s ability, and so I am fine with voting someone else off on the basis that we will resolve your slot with the Oracle at some point anyway.

Nah, because with this plan you guys will not listen to a word I say all game or until the Oracle reveals damo is not the cop.

Which means either:
1. you vote me out now so I don't have to deal with the cumulative stupidity of it all
2. I don't contribute anythign meaningful since it won't be here anyway.

I'm willing to sheep Flum or Bunny for the rest of the game if need be. Or any other mechanical clears.


Also, the last constructive thing I feel like sharing:
We should not vote Lfischl today. I'm pretty sure I saw something that is reason to keep him alive.

I'm sure you'll be duty bound to vote him anyway and go 2/2 on dumb wagons.

Oh yeah lfischl was such a serious wagon that you had to go all PR hunty for it, is that your position?

Nope. I noticed something in a post of his as I was reading.

There's even a note in the God QT about it for when this shitfest is over for you to go all read.

##Vote Chaqa ##END

I'm bored. just yeet me so I can forget this game ever happened

[Chaqa]

For a bunch of people that said I should recognize nuance, no one listens to any of the nuance in how I've been playing. It's been a blast. I'm not posting anymore for this phase. Deal with it.