M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

[Chaqa]

Regardless of if Damo is cop.or not, the kill had to be read as meaning the Mafia think it's cop, right? Unless they all agreeded to pick someone they think had a possible crumbed read. That theory leads to PE being Mafia (and honestly, that's a solid plan, not gonna lie. Good on you if that's what happened team scum)

Mafia probably thought Damo was some other PR.

As a general rule, and many here disagree with this but should be able to attest irs always been my stance, scum will want to separate the kill and roleblock for the first few nights as:
1. It lets you potentially stop two PRs over one
2. People who get roleblocked get suspected

Last game Maniac tried to claim a roleblock as scum and it bought him some town cred from many (me included), to be fair, but that isn’t the case here

[Fluminator]

Additionally, Flum, you spend most of D1 needling damo for this and that. A long lasting reaction test you said, which conforms to your preferred playstyle.

What did you gain from your efforts? Now that he's dead, you don't have to worry about outing his role or anything.

I thought he was scum from it genius

[bozotheclown]

Regardless of if Damo is cop.or not, the kill had to be read as meaning the Mafia think it's cop, right? Unless they all agreeded to pick someone they think had a possible crumbed read. That theory leads to PE being Mafia (and honestly, that's a solid plan, not gonna lie. Good on you if that's what happened team scum)

Do you mean it leads to PE not being mafia?

[BunnyGo]

Maybe a D1 no-kill is a good option for the no reveal game. One of the primary reasons argued against a D1 no-kill is the lack of information, but in this case we are not going to know the alignment of the DK. The other reason I think a D1 no-kill may be a good option is that it will make sure our PRs do not have to claim D1 to avoid the DK. However, I would like to know what others think.

I don't see the point if deterring the inevitable. We have to kill scum to win. May as well start day 1.

PE is town.

##vote Chaqa

why do you think PE is town? He always feels like this

To help jog Bona's memory...

[BunnyGo]

Regardless of if Damo is cop.or not, the kill had to be read as meaning the Mafia think it's cop, right? Unless they all agreeded to pick someone they think had a possible crumbed read. That theory leads to PE being Mafia (and honestly, that's a solid plan, not gonna lie. Good on you if that's what happened team scum)

Do you mean it leads to PE not being mafia?

He's saying "PE saw a potential cop signal and the person who he thought was the cop is now dead"

[snowy801]

Additionally, Flum, you spend most of D1 needling damo for this and that. A long lasting reaction test you said, which conforms to your preferred playstyle.

What did you gain from your efforts? Now that he's dead, you don't have to worry about outing his role or anything.

I thought he was scum from it genius

Yeah, and you had no internal shifts in belief when you learned he was in fact town?

[ghug]

why werent you playing dip today Ghug, you big chicken

Playing with Durga, Morgante, and Mastbaum as my neighbors in vWDC helped reaffirm that I hate Diplomacy.

[kgray]

Regardless of if Damo is cop.or not, the kill had to be read as meaning the Mafia think it's cop, right? Unless they all agreeded to pick someone they think had a possible crumbed read. That theory leads to PE being Mafia (and honestly, that's a solid plan, not gonna lie. Good on you if that's what happened team scum)

If PE is scum, then damo townreading him wouldn't be a tip that damo is the cop.

[President Eden]

The main thing that jumps off the page... I know people hate nightkill analysis, but if you didn't think damo was a PR, why else would you kill him here? He wasn't a universal townread, he didn't have particularly strong convictions about who was mafia (and really not for who was town, aside from me), and he wasn't driving the thread on anybody. It seems like mafia had to think he was a PR.

Obviously Cop jumps off the page for me specifically, but I recognize he could still have been a doctor or a JOAT. (To that effect, he did make some mention of coordinating their protections, so maybe that piqued mafia's interests.)

I'll give it time but man it's hard not to just vote Chaqa out and move on.

[Fluminator]

Additionally, Flum, you spend most of D1 needling damo for this and that. A long lasting reaction test you said, which conforms to your preferred playstyle.

What did you gain from your efforts? Now that he's dead, you don't have to worry about outing his role or anything.

I thought he was scum from it genius

Yeah, and you had no internal shifts in belief when you learned he was in fact town?

When I found out he was town 30 minutes ago, I shifted my scumread from him into him being town.

[ghug]

Something feels very off about Flum and Durga.

Snowy keeps prodding people and encouraging people questioning others, but doesn't really take it anywhere with his own reads, let alone pushes. Don't like it.

Tom has done nothing and deserves no townreads, so people are townreading him are sus.

If I die, kill ghug.

Why?

I like to say "if i die kill kgray" before phase switches.

[President Eden]

Regardless of if Damo is cop.or not, the kill had to be read as meaning the Mafia think it's cop, right? Unless they all agreeded to pick someone they think had a possible crumbed read. That theory leads to PE being Mafia (and honestly, that's a solid plan, not gonna lie. Good on you if that's what happened team scum)

If I'm mafia, then damo can't be hinting that I'm his d0 town scan. His hint only works if I'm town. I am the one person who noticed his behavior that can't be suspicious for noticing it lol.

[kgray]

Yes, this is definitely a cop crumbing PE is lock town.

While your points have merit and I'm sifting through damo again myself, you seem awfully invested in making sure nobody thinks damo is cop.

How sure would you say you are that Chaqa is cop?

Snowy day 1: "Flum is scum because he doesn't care enough."
Snowy day 2: "Flum is scummy for caring too much"

Die scum

This is a particularly disingenuous argument. Even with your simplification, it's not like snowy was saying you don't care enough or you care too much about the same thing.

[rdrivera2005]

The only reason I see to keep Chaqa alive is to screw a bit with scum RB. If Chaqa is town they will need to keep RBing him and if he is scum they will either RB the NK target or not RB.

[President Eden]

And to get to the other important part of your post Doom - I would say killing damo makes it very likely mafia doesn't believe Chaqa is Cop lol. I guess I'd have to go reread damo in detail to see, but the one setup move I distinctly remember thinking damo made was suggesting I was his d0 scan as Cop. Maybe there's reason to think he was a different PR.

Or, honestly, maybe mafia knows more than we do about the game state and has reasons we can't expect to find out.

[ghug]

I recognize that last observation is highly speculative and if people want to wait for a counterclaim, that's perfectly reasonable. But I don't think we're getting one.

It's plausible, but I sure hope you're wrong. I don't think we should kill Chaqa yet regardless.

[kgray]

Additionally, Flum, you spend most of D1 needling damo for this and that. A long lasting reaction test you said, which conforms to your preferred playstyle.

What did you gain from your efforts? Now that he's dead, you don't have to worry about outing his role or anything.

I thought he was scum from it genius

You never did explain why...

[bozotheclown]

Here are what I think are all of damo's comments on PE:

Maybe a D1 no-kill is a good option for the no reveal game. One of the primary reasons argued against a D1 no-kill is the lack of information, but in this case we are not going to know the alignment of the DK. The other reason I think a D1 no-kill may be a good option is that it will make sure our PRs do not have to claim D1 to avoid the DK. However, I would like to know what others think.

I don't see the point if deterring the inevitable. We have to kill scum to win. May as well start day 1.

PE is town.

##vote Chaqa

Observations so far:

Sabi as vocal newb very likely town
PE obvtown
Durga TV
Jamie absent
Worcej strangely makes his list announcement redundant by it's very announcement (could be a dk candidate)
Flum scum or bad
Doom ?
Chaqa tad off
Tfb suspicious

Rest: playing to meta

Why is PE self voting?

##vote Jamie

Could both Flum and PE self voting be scumdicative?

Jasnah clearly doesn't give a shit.

And she's voting PE who is obvtown.

I hope she never plays again.

##end

I missed this. Yep, he double down on calling PE obvtown. But I don´t really think this is so unusual to Damo.

He did not double down at all? He immediately relented

It was the second time I obvtowned PE. When you questioned me I expanded my position I did not relent. I still think PE is highly likely town. This going after me us bizarre.

My current thoughts, as much a note to self as a N1 readslist

BSabi - pleasant newb, tad naive maybe, assuming town (would be a very strong scum performance as a newb)

Bona - difficult to read as ever, I assume not online for EOD as vote stayed on Chaqa, null

Bozo - seems a bit understated, slightly scum side of null

Bunny - assume Miller

Chaqa - could be cop, VT or scum, to be discussed tomorrow should he survive

Doom247 - solid performance from newb, townlean

Durga - initially thought she was town, now not quite so sure but still townside of null but only just

Flum - I don't know why he's on my case and he seems to be playing quite oddly. However this would seem unlikely if scum so assuming town for the moment

ghug - I think he would be posting less and differently if scum so assume town but not with great confidence

Jamie - nothing unusual, slight townlean

kgray - impossible to read, I don't particularly scumread her but would not be averse to a kgray dk due to scum skills (sorry kgray)

lfischl - doing the minimum again, null, townside if pushed

Pres Eden - my strongest townread

rdr - minimal posting, null

snowy - really not sure about snowy, please obvtown if you are

TheFlyingBoat - I find TFB hard to understand but I get a town impression

Tom - something not right as others have mentioned, want to his reaction to pressure tomorrow

Vecna - hasn't obv'd yet, I'm sure he will, null for timebeing

worcej - not really sure why he was such a big wagon yesterday, null at mo

I doubt I will be the NK with some other obvious candidates. Tomorrow I will almost certainly be voting a D1 worcej voter.

[kgray]

Regardless of if Damo is cop.or not, the kill had to be read as meaning the Mafia think it's cop, right? Unless they all agreeded to pick someone they think had a possible crumbed read. That theory leads to PE being Mafia (and honestly, that's a solid plan, not gonna lie. Good on you if that's what happened team scum)

Do you mean it leads to PE not being mafia?

She's saying "PE saw a potential cop signal and the person who he thought was the cop is now dead"

[kgray]

why werent you playing dip today Ghug, you big chicken

Playing with Durga, Morgante, and Mastbaum as my neighbors in vWDC helped reaffirm that I hate Diplomacy.

Mastbaum almost threw a solo to Morgante today