M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

[Jamiet99uk]

Oh, that's a good idea. That lets the Oracle lock onto someone else.

I support this plan.

It was a question,
not a plan.

Well, it should be a plan, because it's the best idea anyone's had about this situation yet.

It is largely a re-stating of my original thoughts about what to do with Miller claimants, from before anyone had claimed.

Why are you reacting as if it is a new idea?

[kgray]

Ohhh that's what that was about LOL

Wait I thought you said Flum trying to get himself killed was normal? You didn’t know that’s what he was doing here?

What? I said he was self voting and I wasn't going to join him. There was a 24 hour gap between this and his weird flyingboat thing. Unless you're referring to another comment in which case I don't recall and you'll have to point me to it.

I just thought here you were talking about his encouraging people to vote for "flyingboat" because it would result in a vote on Flum, but I now see you were referring to his self-vote in general.

I know you're not asking me but Flum's whole town game is shit posting and trying to get himself killed so tbh he's probably town

[Jamiet99uk]

I mean I'm pleased that Chaqa is praising my ideas but it was just a slightly odd reaction, it seemed to me. Or maybe I am just not used to people agreeing with me because I usually just get told what an idiot I am, over and over and over and over again.

[Chaqa]

It was a question,
not a plan.

Well, it should be a plan, because it's the best idea anyone's had about this situation yet.

It is largely a re-stating of my original thoughts about what to do with Miller claimants, from before anyone had claimed.

Why are you reacting as if it is a new idea?

We're closing in on 100 pages before EOD1 man, I probably just missed or forgot you had already mentioned it.

[Jamiet99uk]

Ok Chaqa.

This was my original post:

3. We don't apart from maybe miller. Should miller claim, if so, when?

Miller is a negative utility role. In this setup the Miller is unusual, because normally a Miller is unaware of their own millitude. Scum could claim Miller, to protect against a future cop result, but this would be very foolish - the real Miller absolutely should counter-claim in that scenario, and then town should vote out both claimants, because that way one of them is a guaranteed scum elimination, which is a worthwhile trade for town in this scenario.

Taking that into account, then YES the Miller should claim. If nobody counter claims, the Miller claimant can be treated as very nearly townclear.

I encourage the Miller to claim.

I hardclaim that I am *not* the Miller.

I would now edit "guaranteed scum elimination" to "more than 50% likely scum elimination".

[BesharamSabi]

So what have I missed? (I'm still catching up but I'm tired)

Nothing much. But maybe you can read some psychological stuff into the nothingness. I can't.

OK so here's what I think is happening:

Worcej wagon is as dead as the people on the Oregon trail
Jasnah wagon may or may not being d1 kill due to last of response
Flum wagon is the hottest new wagon since the station wagon.

Am I wrong?

[Fluminator]

##vote Flum pending explanation

Why do you (and you Jamie) think this is a "framing" rather than an interrogation trick?

I think it's suspect because since he did it, Fluminatingboat has not mentioned it again or addressed Damo at all, despite Damo having responded, and Flum talking about other things.

That's not true lol. Damo only just responded now and I just saw it this morning. There's a lot of irony here that you're making things up.

Also I'm getting more and more certain this is scum damo and he keeps trying to ignore me while limply calling me scum so I figured I'd get his attention another way.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Rdrivera:

What is your excuse, this time?

[Jamiet99uk]

Why do you (and you Jamie) think this is a "framing" rather than an interrogation trick?

I think it's suspect because since he did it, Fluminatingboat has not mentioned it again or addressed Damo at all, despite Damo having responded, and Flum talking about other things.

That's not true lol. Damo only just responded now and I just saw it this morning. There's a lot of irony here that you're making things up.

Also I'm getting more and more certain this is scum damo and he keeps trying to ignore me while limply calling me scum so I figured I'd get his attention another way.

Ok, response noted.

Can you explain why you attempted to build a fake wagon on yourself by telling people to vote for TheFlyingBoat in a way that you clearly knew the Bot would pick up as votes for you?

[Jamiet99uk]

So what have I missed? (I'm still catching up but I'm tired)

Nothing much. But maybe you can read some psychological stuff into the nothingness. I can't.

OK so here's what I think is happening:

Worcej wagon is as dead as the people on the Oregon trail
Jasnah wagon may or may not being d1 kill due to last of response
Flum wagon is the hottest new wagon since the station wagon.

Am I wrong?

The Flum wagon is not as hot as you think; the Bot is mistakenly picking up votes for "FlyingBoat" as votes for "Fluminator", so that wagon actually has two fewer votes on it than the Peterbot is currently showing.

There is no Worcej wagon anymore. Its sudden disappearance is slightly weird.

Does the Ghug wagon interest you at all?

[Fluminator]

Damo why do you think I'm voting you?

Dunno.

Btw 20 odd pp behind so unaware of any developments since my unvote

Considering my sus of you was the only real game thing I did when you decided I was scum, surely you have some ideas?

[BesharamSabi]

Nothing much. But maybe you can read some psychological stuff into the nothingness. I can't.

OK so here's what I think is happening:

Worcej wagon is as dead as the people on the Oregon trail
Jasnah wagon may or may not being d1 kill due to last of response
Flum wagon is the hottest new wagon since the station wagon.

Am I wrong?

The Flum wagon is not as hot as you think; the Bot is mistakenly picking up votes for "FlyingBoat" as votes for "Fluminator", so that wagon actually has two fewer votes on it than the Peterbot is currently showing.

There is no Worcej wagon anymore. Its sudden disappearance is slightly weird.

Does the Ghug wagon interest you at all?

Was their any indication or something I missed about why everyone hopped off the worcej wagon?

Ghug said we were buddies after the cat-dog debate. I do need to see the logic behind the ghug wagon before I commit to it.

[Fluminator]

I think it's suspect because since he did it, Fluminatingboat has not mentioned it again or addressed Damo at all, despite Damo having responded, and Flum talking about other things.

That's not true lol. Damo only just responded now and I just saw it this morning. There's a lot of irony here that you're making things up.

Also I'm getting more and more certain this is scum damo and he keeps trying to ignore me while limply calling me scum so I figured I'd get his attention another way.

Ok, response noted.

Can you explain why you attempted to build a fake wagon on yourself by telling people to vote for TheFlyingBoat in a way that you clearly knew the Bot would pick up as votes for you?

Multilayered gambit with a lot of moving parts to help me catch scum.

[Jamiet99uk]

The Flum wagon is not as hot as you think; the Bot is mistakenly picking up votes for "FlyingBoat" as votes for "Fluminator", so that wagon actually has two fewer votes on it than the Peterbot is currently showing.

There is no Worcej wagon anymore. Its sudden disappearance is slightly weird.

Does the Ghug wagon interest you at all?

Was their any indication or something I missed about why everyone hopped off the worcej wagon?

Worcej made a face and suddenly everyone on his wagon found reasons to move their vote.

Bit weird really.

[Chaqa]

Ok Chaqa.

This was my original post:

3. We don't apart from maybe miller. Should miller claim, if so, when?

Miller is a negative utility role. In this setup the Miller is unusual, because normally a Miller is unaware of their own millitude. Scum could claim Miller, to protect against a future cop result, but this would be very foolish - the real Miller absolutely should counter-claim in that scenario, and then town should vote out both claimants, because that way one of them is a guaranteed scum elimination, which is a worthwhile trade for town in this scenario.

Taking that into account, then YES the Miller should claim. If nobody counter claims, the Miller claimant can be treated as very nearly townclear.

I encourage the Miller to claim.

I hardclaim that I am *not* the Miller.

I would now edit "guaranteed scum elimination" to "more than 50% likely scum elimination".

That post doesn't mention the JOAT ability, which is the part I thought was a new idea.

[Jamiet99uk]

Ok, response noted.

Can you explain why you attempted to build a fake wagon on yourself by telling people to vote for TheFlyingBoat in a way that you clearly knew the Bot would pick up as votes for you?

Multilayered gambit with a lot of moving parts to help me catch scum.

Which scum have you caught?

Bozo?

[Jamiet99uk]

That post doesn't mention the JOAT ability, which is the part I thought was a new idea.

Ah, I see. You think that we should kill Jasnah and Bunny and the JOAT should use the Autopsy on one of them? (To let the Oracle do something else).

Yes that could be a plan.

[Chaqa]

Ah, one downside is the JOAT is the only one to find out the dead player's role, which means there's not going to be a reveal on that info until like EON3 or Day 4 depending on when they use it.

That should still be okay.

[BesharamSabi]

The Flum wagon is not as hot as you think; the Bot is mistakenly picking up votes for "FlyingBoat" as votes for "Fluminator", so that wagon actually has two fewer votes on it than the Peterbot is currently showing.

There is no Worcej wagon anymore. Its sudden disappearance is slightly weird.

Does the Ghug wagon interest you at all?

Was their any indication or something I missed about why everyone hopped off the worcej wagon?

Worcej made a face and suddenly everyone on his wagon found reasons to move their vote.

Bit weird really.

Does anyone remember who was on that wagon? Because I'm curious if that face was scum signal or not... Maybe I'm grasping at straws but it's weird....

##VOTE worcej

[Chaqa]

That post doesn't mention the JOAT ability, which is the part I thought was a new idea.

Ah, I see. You think that we should kill Jasnah and Bunny and the JOAT should use the Autopsy on one of them? (To let the Oracle do something else).

Yes that could be a plan.

Yes. What did you think I meant?

I think I'm going to have to start writing more like Eden does with extreme lawyer-speak lol