M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

[Doom427]

I thought miller had already claimed, but rereading it turns out it was REALLY ambiguous? Though, also in a way where I have no fucking clue what the point of the conversation was if it wasn't a Miller claim (which leads me to thinking that's pretty obviously a scum play, because if you were town you would be clear, and if you were Mafia you would want the plausible deniability). But, ambiguity makes people feel like they're making big brain super plays, which seems to be what people like in this game? so

Don't know what any of that means-just curious if anyone else remembers that, and putting it out there considering the miller discussion we were having

[Jamiet99uk]

Hello, Fellow Townspersons.

I've been incredibly busy so please accept my apologies for the late check in. I'll do my best to catch up, looks like it has been a very busy D1 already!

Need your opinions on:

To kill or no kill d1
Cats vs Dogs
Reveal your pr or not

What is the logic behind a no kill?

I don't usually eat cats or dogs; no preference.

Why do you want PRs to claim on D1?

[Doom427]

(Also, Durga was probably right about leaving this conversation for night time. So, I guess tabling that for then unless people think it should be discussed now. Can also point to where that softclaim came from when we hit phase shift)

[ghug]

wait why is PE self voting. That makes no sense.

Cause I made an accusation that struck too close to home, so he overreacted with a sarcastic "you got me" and self-voted.

Pretty damn suspicious, if you ask me.

I don't see that back on page 7/8 when he voted himself. He made a Bofa deez nuts joke and you hadn't posted about him those pages.

He moved his vote and then self-voted again on page 29.

[Chaqa]

Maybe Jamie is the miller. In which case I doubt he claims.

Can you explain why you want the Miller claiming ASAP rather than during EOD if they're a possible wagon?

Well, let's say that I was the miller. I'm not, but if I were, I would have claimed already and we would have had a lot of brainpower and posts that could have been devoted elsewhere.

My take is that the Miller is either:
1. Someone who hasn't posted yet (Jamie) or in awhile and doesn't know they should think about claiming
2. A new player unsure what to do
3. Someone whose pride won't allow them to claim (ghug, maybe someone like Vecna or Durga) because they think they can do more good by surviving til endgame

This is PR hunting too...

Miller shouldn't claim.

Strong disagree. Miller isn’t a PR and should claim

[Jamiet99uk]

Why is Damo voting for me?

[bozotheclown]

im actually surprised the usual suspects havent talked about a massclaim yet.

It might be boring as fuck (and im not advocating it whatsoever), but this is actually the very best type of setup to massclaim, to completely take away the possibility for mafia to fakeclaim down the line and get a guaranteed victory by lucking out on killing a PR and then claiming it later, along with some false results. It takes away the horrendous scenario where we have a cop vs cop claimfiesta, along with results, and we have no idea of knowing which results are real and which are fake. It takes away the EoD fakeclaim-save on a scum thats about to get killed. And it reduces every VT's odds of finding scum to 4/15.

Having said all that, fuck you, we aint doing it, because boring and all. But its sort of telling that certain people have not even thought of this line of logic, and done their usual thing of superior reasoning and poor convincing.

I do see the benefits of a mass claim here, but I do not think they would make up for getting the PRs killed early. With the possible exception of the miller, I think the PRs should stay hidden as long as possible.

[Jamiet99uk]

I see there's a lot of Miller talk.

[damo666]

Hello, Fellow Townspersons.

I've been incredibly busy so please accept my apologies for the late check in. I'll do my best to catch up, looks like it has been a very busy D1 already!

Need your opinions on:

To kill or no kill d1
Cats vs Dogs
Reveal your pr or not

What is the logic behind a no kill?

I don't usually eat cats or dogs; no preference.

Why do you want PRs to claim on D1?

1. Forget it. Bozo proposed NK due to the no reveal scenario, got little traction, won't happen.

2. Ok. Unimportant.

3. We don't apart from maybe miller. Should miller claim, if so, when?

[worcej]

Who's the popular ones here?

I think we'll not see a kgray, Durga, Tom Bomb, Fluminator, Vecna, or bozo wagon before D4 this game.

I think you'll see the wagons of Chaqa, Eden, Jamie, Bona, Damo, and myself pushed early.

Besides a desire to nitpick about these distributions, hows that different from normal?

You're highlighting our websites meta that a majority of the time these games boil down to popularity contests in the first couple of days versus actual scum-ish behavior and eventually mechanics or VCA put that group into suspect.

I just think it'll be worse this time around because you cannot be certain of any results of flips.

[BunnyGo]

Why is Damo voting for me?

I think he was worried about your attendence? He mentioned it back on page 33.

[damo666]

Why is Damo voting for me?

##vote Flum

I'm not anymore. Just wanted you to step up.

[Jamiet99uk]

Why is Damo voting for me?

I think he was worried about your attendence? He mentioned it back on page 33.

I am now in attendance.

I've been very busy. Work is hectic as hell but I'm on a day off tomorrow.

[worcej]

Oh, I missed an obvious troll-poll that I must add to: Dogs >>>>>>>> Cats

Dogs are natural companions while cats just look at us as their providers. It takes an amazing, almost unicorn-esque, cat to be even remotely close to what an average dog naturally does for companionship.

[Chaqa]

I thought miller had already claimed, but rereading it turns out it was REALLY ambiguous? Though, also in a way where I have no fucking clue what the point of the conversation was if it wasn't a Miller claim (which leads me to thinking that's pretty obviously a scum play, because if you were town you would be clear, and if you were Mafia you would want the plausible deniability). But, ambiguity makes people feel like they're making big brain super plays, which seems to be what people like in this game? so

Don't know what any of that means-just curious if anyone else remembers that, and putting it out there considering the miller discussion we were having

I feel like I missed something incredibly obvious now lol

[lfischl]

I thought miller had already claimed, but rereading it turns out it was REALLY ambiguous? Though, also in a way where I have no fucking clue what the point of the conversation was if it wasn't a Miller claim (which leads me to thinking that's pretty obviously a scum play, because if you were town you would be clear, and if you were Mafia you would want the plausible deniability). But, ambiguity makes people feel like they're making big brain super plays, which seems to be what people like in this game? so

Don't know what any of that means-just curious if anyone else remembers that, and putting it out there considering the miller discussion we were having

Wait when did you think that the miller claimed?

[bozotheclown]

Perhaps we should discuss who should claim and when.

With 5 PRs v 4 scum scum cannot afford to CC so claims will be quasi-clear.

I suggest miller and doc claim EON1. Hopefully scum kill a vt N1 this would give cop 3 scans and Jack 3 uses since presumably scum would kill the 2 claimants N2 and N3.

Oracle could read the N1 kill and declare EON3 giving the cop another scan and Jack could autopsy the doc claimant.

Jack and cop then reveal all their info EON4.

A more conservative option would be for doc and miller to claim now and bring everything as above forward a night.

Why would we want the doctor to claim early, or at all? The doctor becomes more useful as the game gets smaller. If we have a doctor claim late, we will be well aware that it could be mafia hoping the doctor is dead.

[damo666]

So I’ve thought about how to approach this game a little more and here is where I’m at.

1) normally I have a list of people I will never try to wagon D1 because I think they are good town players and D1 is such a guess that you should kill someone who could be scum but also won’t help a ton as town. I think the opposite is true this game - we should be targeting people who are good as scum, because with limited information our best hope is to keep people around who struggle as scum. We should be targeting players with strong scum games. For example, I think Jamie is easy to read as either alignment, so I do not think he should be targeted early here. ghug I would normally not think about on D1 but would be a logical D1 wagon in this setup.

I truly believe we need chaos at the end of days. Information is so limited that scum don’t need to bus so it’s more difficult to trap them into wagons on their teammates. Flash wagons eliminate scum influence and potentially give us connections between players.

At least for the first few days that’s how I think it should go. Hopefully after that we can have some scans, and town flips from night kills to actually have some information to them analyze early EOD wagon movement.

I'm going to circle back to this and say that this was an interesting point.

My list of 'Good Scum', meaning scum players that are able to hide well, are the following:

1. kgray
2. Chaqa
3. Tom Bomb
4. Bona
5. Bunny
6. ghug

Everyone not on this list has tells that I think the collective are able to pick up easily.

Tom was hardly spectacular last time he was scum lol. I wouldn't have ghug on the list either.

I deffo agree with your top two though.

[President Eden]

damo, I love you and the fact you read the rules. But would you mind not PR hunting? Knowing this crew, they'd not have read the rules until later and put the numbers on it.

If the scumteam is that poor we'll win anyway.

People don't notice things at the same time. And then I doubt they'd filter through all this looking for people who mathed wrong. Not everybody plays like you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN9xsFUsPqM

On the bright side, he posted that in the main thread instead of the QuickTopic thread, so he’s probably town.

[worcej]

Well, let's say that I was the miller. I'm not, but if I were, I would have claimed already and we would have had a lot of brainpower and posts that could have been devoted elsewhere.

My take is that the Miller is either:
1. Someone who hasn't posted yet (Jamie) or in awhile and doesn't know they should think about claiming
2. A new player unsure what to do
3. Someone whose pride won't allow them to claim (ghug, maybe someone like Vecna or Durga) because they think they can do more good by surviving til endgame

This is PR hunting too...

Miller shouldn't claim.

Strong disagree. Miller isn’t a PR and should claim

Agree here - it removes any chance of scum using it later and if we do kill a scum player D1, they'll claim it to create CC-ish situation and force another PR claim to verify.

Now is the time for the miller to claim.