M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

[kgray]

@Bunny do you have any reads?

I have some thoughts:

1) I thought it was weird your response to my first post both was a false accusation about me; wasn't addressed at me; seemed to be trying to rile me; but then completely dropped it. That was unusual. Instead you then got worcej riled up. I'm not used to seeing you (kgray) be this antagonistic without being scum or attacked, and I'm not used to seeing you drop something when you decide to say something. Those things combined to make me wary of your slot.

2) damo is PR hunting. This is bad. But also damo-esque town. When scum he keeps his PR hunting in the QT.

3) I still like Flum. No clue about alignment.

4) Getting towny vibes from Vecna. There's playfulness, but effort and thought. He's good at faking all this, but it's a good start.

5) No real thoughts on the players who are new to me (snow, BeSharam, Doom, maybe another?) I think they've all had reasonable beginnings for players (I realize at least 2 of them are not new, just new to me).

6) Pres Eden has made some solid posts; good town start.

7) worcej I usually have an easier time reading. His first wall post seemed towny to me. But the tilt he went on quickly I'm less sure of.

Well your thoughts on me don't make a lot of sense, mostly because I didn't falsely accuse you of anything and I dropped the 'Bunny is lurking' line of thought once you started talking more. Also I refuse to take any blame for getting worcej 'riled up' because 1) I don't think he was and 2) he's the one rewriting history. I'm obviously going to call people out if they're telling lies about me, but I dropped it because arguing with him is pointless.

I don't really have any thoughts on the rest of your reads because I don't think you're saying much, but thanks.

[BunnyGo]

@kgray: specifically you accused me of reading the thread. I have no idea why you thought that.

[kgray]

@kgray: specifically you accused me of reading the thread. I have no idea why you thought that.

Oh, because I saw your name a bunch.

[Chaqa]

Maybe Jamie is the miller. In which case I doubt he claims.

Can you explain why you want the Miller claiming ASAP rather than during EOD if they're a possible wagon?

Well, let's say that I was the miller. I'm not, but if I were, I would have claimed already and we would have had a lot of brainpower and posts that could have been devoted elsewhere.

My take is that the Miller is either:
1. Someone who hasn't posted yet (Jamie) or in awhile and doesn't know they should think about claiming
2. A new player unsure what to do
3. Someone whose pride won't allow them to claim (ghug, maybe someone like Vecna or Durga) because they think they can do more good by surviving til endgame

Suppose you were the miller. Do we not get any VCA from the people voting/defending your wagon? All with you claiming in 24 hours and not having a miskill?

We don't really get VCA at all.

[worcej]

Worcej's List of "Useless Observations" - Version 1.0

People who are creating constructive content:

1. Tom Bomb (the 'we should go for good scum players' idea)
2. Doom427 (The kill to no-kill move with explanation on his/her/their reasoning)
3. bozotheclown (No daykill proposal with reasoning and continued discussion)
4. Fluminator (the observations of players. This can be borderline a commentator, but a couple of the reads are more in-depth - ie: the Durga observation)
5. President Eden (his analysis on no killing, the analysis on the meta of players regarding said no kill, his comparison of this game to Among Us versus normal mafia - which I strongly agree with btw - and the "take a shot if it's good, but hold if it's not" concept and finally his reads sprinkled in posts)
6. snowy801 (I should've made a 'asks a bunch of questions at people' group, but I didn't. Some observations sprinkled in and there, but the content I see is forcing people to expand on their statements)
7. Vecna (a lot of comments, almost a commentator until his reads list came out and has unique depth into the comments. Also provides his own insight into other reads instead of just agreeing)

People who are responding or critiquing without their own ideas - AKA: the commentators

1. BunnyGo (Every post is a reply to someone else. Asking questions, but not starting a discussion)
2. Damo666 (More commentator on others than unique ideas - the clam idea being the unique one. His reads list wasn't anything unique and his take on me wasn't original)
3. Durga (efforts to shut down the no-kill conversation and her opinion appearing as counter to others dominated much of her posting, but also has some unique opinions. I don't see nearly as much effort in said unique opinions, so she's a commentator for now)
4. Chaqa (comments and trolling. To compare to similar players, he's being more constructive than TFB's efforts and that's enough to create a distinction between the two. No major unique idea, piggy-backing off Eden's analysis more than anything)
5. kgray (similar to snowy801, but definitely not creating content. The questions I am seeing are not forcing people to expand further and create content - the questions either move the conversation towards something else or disagreeing with someones comments and invalidates their observations)
6. Sabi (Easily a borderline non-value adder, which was my first result upon examination, but upon re-looking I see a shared style/approach to how damo posts, so I am not as critical. I see some opinions sprinkled in, but nothing is unique and new to me to consider it constructive)
7. Ghug (high volume, responds to the thread conversations - ie: daykill or not - with his own opinions, and sprinkles in a lot of his usual 'fluff' when playing with certain players. There is enough here to get value as opposed to the low value posters)

The non-value adders - AKA: The BB's

1. Rdr (commenting with piggy-backs and just saying he's behind. Could move up one, but with 6 posts I'm putting him here)
2. lfischl (nothing of value, borderline lurking)
3. TheFlyingBoat (definitely some value opinions in here that would justify a commentator slot, but since I explicitly have a BB category I have to actually put the most BB-esque person in said group. Pretty much trolling with some good opinions sprinkled in to make them tolerable)
4. Bonatogether (High volume, short comments that are more noise than comments or constructive game movement. I'd move him up a slot to commentator if I found anything valuable in what he is saying about the game, but it isn't really there)

Lurkers

1. jasnah
2. Jamiet99uk

[ghug]

Another random thought; I dont think Ghug and Chaqa have sniffed eachother at all yet. I dont think Ghug has sniffed me at all yet.

Probably a cat person after all.

I specifically discussed your odor already

[snowy801]

@kgray: specifically you accused me of reading the thread. I have no idea why you thought that.

Oh, because I saw your name a bunch.

I also saw your name a bunch a lot, though I tend to try not to use that against people too much unless it's EoD.

[kgray]

Wow you're right worcej, that does seem useless.

[ghug]

im actually surprised the usual suspects havent talked about a massclaim yet.

It might be boring as fuck (and im not advocating it whatsoever), but this is actually the very best type of setup to massclaim, to completely take away the possibility for mafia to fakeclaim down the line and get a guaranteed victory by lucking out on killing a PR and then claiming it later, along with some false results. It takes away the horrendous scenario where we have a cop vs cop claimfiesta, along with results, and we have no idea of knowing which results are real and which are fake. It takes away the EoD fakeclaim-save on a scum thats about to get killed. And it reduces every VT's odds of finding scum to 4/15.

Having said all that, fuck you, we aint doing it, because boring and all. But its sort of telling that certain people have not even thought of this line of logic, and done their usual thing of superior reasoning and poor convincing.

Lol, it's also a terrible idea

[worcej]

Also I refuse to take any blame for getting worcej 'riled up' because 1) I don't think he was and 2) he's the one rewriting history. I'm obviously going to call people out if they're telling lies about me, but I dropped it because arguing with him is pointless.

I don't really have any thoughts on the rest of your reads because I don't think you're saying much, but thanks.

BunnyGo was correct that you did rile me up. To be honest I was annoyed you interjected into my ghug conversation because I was trying to push him to get a specific read and you ruined it. And then I was even more annoyed you once again squared off with the 'don't tell me what to do' type crap because it's cringe as hell.

[ghug]

im actually surprised the usual suspects havent talked about a massclaim yet.

It might be boring as fuck (and im not advocating it whatsoever), but this is actually the very best type of setup to massclaim, to completely take away the possibility for mafia to fakeclaim down the line and get a guaranteed victory by lucking out on killing a PR and then claiming it later, along with some false results. It takes away the horrendous scenario where we have a cop vs cop claimfiesta, along with results, and we have no idea of knowing which results are real and which are fake. It takes away the EoD fakeclaim-save on a scum thats about to get killed. And it reduces every VT's odds of finding scum to 4/15.

Having said all that, fuck you, we aint doing it, because boring and all. But its sort of telling that certain people have not even thought of this line of logic, and done their usual thing of superior reasoning and poor convincing.

We already have 2 soft claims and 2 claimnots.

Shut the fuck up.

[snowy801]

Wow you're right worcej, that does seem useless.

I think it's great that people are trying dumb shit and we shouldn't discourage it

[BesharamSabi]

im actually surprised the usual suspects havent talked about a massclaim yet.

It might be boring as fuck (and im not advocating it whatsoever), but this is actually the very best type of setup to massclaim, to completely take away the possibility for mafia to fakeclaim down the line and get a guaranteed victory by lucking out on killing a PR and then claiming it later, along with some false results. It takes away the horrendous scenario where we have a cop vs cop claimfiesta, along with results, and we have no idea of knowing which results are real and which are fake. It takes away the EoD fakeclaim-save on a scum thats about to get killed. And it reduces every VT's odds of finding scum to 4/15.

Having said all that, fuck you, we aint doing it, because boring and all. But its sort of telling that certain people have not even thought of this line of logic, and done their usual thing of superior reasoning and poor convincing.

Lol, it's also a terrible idea

What is massiclaim

[worcej]

Wow you're right worcej, that does seem useless.

You're the water to my block of pure sodium.

[damo666]

Why is PE self voting?

##vote Jamie

[snowy801]

im actually surprised the usual suspects havent talked about a massclaim yet.

It might be boring as fuck (and im not advocating it whatsoever), but this is actually the very best type of setup to massclaim, to completely take away the possibility for mafia to fakeclaim down the line and get a guaranteed victory by lucking out on killing a PR and then claiming it later, along with some false results. It takes away the horrendous scenario where we have a cop vs cop claimfiesta, along with results, and we have no idea of knowing which results are real and which are fake. It takes away the EoD fakeclaim-save on a scum thats about to get killed. And it reduces every VT's odds of finding scum to 4/15.

Having said all that, fuck you, we aint doing it, because boring and all. But its sort of telling that certain people have not even thought of this line of logic, and done their usual thing of superior reasoning and poor convincing.

Lol, it's also a terrible idea

What is massiclaim

It's a concept where literally everyone claims their roles simultaneously (usually rather early) so we can get all the claim/counterclaim business sorted asap

Aka playstyle for cowards

[BunnyGo]

im actually surprised the usual suspects havent talked about a massclaim yet.

It might be boring as fuck (and im not advocating it whatsoever), but this is actually the very best type of setup to massclaim, to completely take away the possibility for mafia to fakeclaim down the line and get a guaranteed victory by lucking out on killing a PR and then claiming it later, along with some false results. It takes away the horrendous scenario where we have a cop vs cop claimfiesta, along with results, and we have no idea of knowing which results are real and which are fake. It takes away the EoD fakeclaim-save on a scum thats about to get killed. And it reduces every VT's odds of finding scum to 4/15.

Having said all that, fuck you, we aint doing it, because boring and all. But its sort of telling that certain people have not even thought of this line of logic, and done their usual thing of superior reasoning and poor convincing.

Lol, it's also a terrible idea

What is massiclaim

Everyone announces their role.

The obvious minus is it puts a big mark on our town PRs.

The obvious plus is it narrows our range for hunting the scum team.

[damo666]

im actually surprised the usual suspects havent talked about a massclaim yet.

It might be boring as fuck (and im not advocating it whatsoever), but this is actually the very best type of setup to massclaim, to completely take away the possibility for mafia to fakeclaim down the line and get a guaranteed victory by lucking out on killing a PR and then claiming it later, along with some false results. It takes away the horrendous scenario where we have a cop vs cop claimfiesta, along with results, and we have no idea of knowing which results are real and which are fake. It takes away the EoD fakeclaim-save on a scum thats about to get killed. And it reduces every VT's odds of finding scum to 4/15.

Having said all that, fuck you, we aint doing it, because boring and all. But its sort of telling that certain people have not even thought of this line of logic, and done their usual thing of superior reasoning and poor convincing.

We already have 2 soft claims and 2 claimnots.

Shut the fuck up.

[BesharamSabi]

Lol, it's also a terrible idea

What is massiclaim

It's a concept where literally everyone claims their roles simultaneously (usually rather early) so we can get all the claim/counterclaim business sorted asap

Aka playstyle for cowards

Ahhh OK. What are the other styles?

[snowy801]

Why is PE self voting?

##vote Jamie

I actually had a thought about that earlier, because town is disinclined to stack wagons to heavily early having a visible if invalid vote on himself would make people doing cursory vote checks feel as though they wagon is already sufficiently stacked and look elsewhere

And then when he inevitably moves his vote it then looks like his wagon is dissolving

I'm not really sure whether that'd be an effective strategy