M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

[Chaqa]

I can see the benefits of both sides of this kill vs. no-kill argument.

I prefer the no-kill side on paper, but it would really slow the game down. I personally don't mind this, but the game might extend from say 8-10 day phases to more like 15+, and that could be a drag.

I think I'll second Eden's "vote if it's a good vote, no kill otherwise" stance.

Please tell me im not the only one seeing it

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?us ... d2-&g=1018

viewtopic.php?p=255141#p255141

You specifically are incredibly bad at reading me.

[Vecna]

I mean, does this mean I now need to start quoting the differences in how you respond to that as town and scum?

[damo666]

im actually surprised the usual suspects havent talked about a massclaim yet.

It might be boring as fuck (and im not advocating it whatsoever), but this is actually the very best type of setup to massclaim, to completely take away the possibility for mafia to fakeclaim down the line and get a guaranteed victory by lucking out on killing a PR and then claiming it later, along with some false results. It takes away the horrendous scenario where we have a cop vs cop claimfiesta, along with results, and we have no idea of knowing which results are real and which are fake. It takes away the EoD fakeclaim-save on a scum thats about to get killed. And it reduces every VT's odds of finding scum to 4/15.

Having said all that, fuck you, we aint doing it, because boring and all. But its sort of telling that certain people have not even thought of this line of logic, and done their usual thing of superior reasoning and poor convincing.

We already have 2 soft claims and 2 claimnots.

[kgray]

At the mo I'd go with Flum Chaqa worcej or a low poster.

Oh...the hammer? If we have little info from flip, lets get more VCA. See how a more continuous EOD works this time.

I don't think hammers give more VCA. If anything, they give less.

[Chaqa]

But what do you think about Chaqa

I really don’t have any opinion on chaqa’s alignment. The things you’re pointing out just seem like chaqa things, I don’t associate them specifically with scum!chaqa.

Can you be my spokesperson?

[BunnyGo]

At the mo I'd go with Flum Chaqa worcej or a low poster.

Oh...the hammer? If we have little info from flip, lets get more VCA. See how a more continuous EOD works this time.

I don't think hammers give more VCA. If anything, they give less.

Can you say more about that?

The way I'm thinking of it: The one time I recall we tried being close to hammering all day, it didn't work out too well because of time zones and lurkers, but it got lots of excitement/movement and the effective EOD lasted about 10 hours. Without it, we get about 10 minutes of EOD and lots of posturing/nonsense to sort through for 47+ hours.

[worcej]

Announcing things you're looking for seems fairly counterproductive to reading people. What is the point of sharing this?

So that you understand my analysis and reasoning. If I just made that list and posted it, would it help without any context?

No I'm saying I don't understand why you just announced how you were going to sort people. Letting people know what you're looking for lets them get ahead of it and makes it easier for them to give you what you want. I just don't see the point at all.

Which group do you think scum want to be a part of?

[kgray]

What part of BesharamSabi's statement were you saying was not true?

The exact thing they said, that they’ve never seen me be this buddy buddy with bona.

So you are saying BesharamSabi has seen this before, despite their statement? Did you take this as BesharamSabi suggesting you might be pocketing Bonatogether?

I didn't really take it as much of anything, but sure, that's the obvious implication.

[Fluminator]

Observations so far:

Sabi as vocal newb very likely town
PE obvtown
Durga TV
Jamie absent
Worcej strangely makes his list announcement redundant by it's very announcement (could be a dk candidate)
Flum scum or bad
Doom ?
Chaqa tad off
Tfb suspicious

Rest: playing to meta

Durga is canonically now a television.

I know you've said in previous games I'm not really that good. So if you're accounting for meta like you seem to be, that's a weird read.

[Chaqa]

I mean, does this mean I now need to start quoting the differences in how you respond to that as town and scum?

Your mistake is thinking variations in my play are alignment-indicative.

I'm just a chaotic and erratic person

[Chaqa]

im actually surprised the usual suspects havent talked about a massclaim yet.

It might be boring as fuck (and im not advocating it whatsoever), but this is actually the very best type of setup to massclaim, to completely take away the possibility for mafia to fakeclaim down the line and get a guaranteed victory by lucking out on killing a PR and then claiming it later, along with some false results. It takes away the horrendous scenario where we have a cop vs cop claimfiesta, along with results, and we have no idea of knowing which results are real and which are fake. It takes away the EoD fakeclaim-save on a scum thats about to get killed. And it reduces every VT's odds of finding scum to 4/15.

Having said all that, fuck you, we aint doing it, because boring and all. But its sort of telling that certain people have not even thought of this line of logic, and done their usual thing of superior reasoning and poor convincing.

We already have 2 soft claims and 2 claimnots.

Did I miss claims?

[Chaqa]

Can we hammer yeet Jamie before he even has a chance to post?

[damo666]

Perhaps we should discuss who should claim and when.

With 5 PRs v 4 scum scum cannot afford to CC so claims will be quasi-clear.

I suggest miller and doc claim EON1. Hopefully scum kill a vt N1 this would give cop 3 scans and Jack 3 uses since presumably scum would kill the 2 claimants N2 and N3.

Oracle could read the N1 kill and declare EON3 giving the cop another scan and Jack could autopsy the doc claimant.

Jack and cop then reveal all their info EON4.

A more conservative option would be for doc and miller to claim now and bring everything as above forward a night.

[kgray]

But what do you think about Chaqa

I really don’t have any opinion on chaqa’s alignment. The things you’re pointing out just seem like chaqa things, I don’t associate them specifically with scum!chaqa.

Can you be my spokesperson?

Sure, though if there's a conflict I have to prioritize my OG client Rivera.

[Fluminator]

I think we should no kill.
Lets make a list of people who want a daykill, and ones who don't.
But only people who want a daykill are allowed to be voted for this round.

No Daykill (immune from the vote): Fluminator, Bozo
Daykill: Ghug

"I was just trying to do a gimmick to see which people are scared to put themselves up for a potential daykill. I really thought all scum would totally be in favor of no kill to evade the daykill!"

My gimmicks are always a few layers deeper than that my dear Vecna

[kgray]

Oh...the hammer? If we have little info from flip, lets get more VCA. See how a more continuous EOD works this time.

I don't think hammers give more VCA. If anything, they give less.

Can you say more about that?

The way I'm thinking of it: The one time I recall we tried being close to hammering all day, it didn't work out too well because of time zones and lurkers, but it got lots of excitement/movement and the effective EOD lasted about 10 hours. Without it, we get about 10 minutes of EOD and lots of posturing/nonsense to sort through for 47+ hours.

I wasn't thinking about it in terms of a 10-hr EOD, though I can see that point. My initial thought was that a non-concrete deadline makes it less likely people will be around and gives people who don't want to participate in the "EOD" a good reason not to.

[Fluminator]

Bunny is scum

[BesharamSabi]

At least ghug and worcej won't be NKd.

Sabi looks long odds on for that.

Oh

[BunnyGo]

Bunny is scum

Ouch; that hurts my heart. Can we not noun-ify people? Someone isn’t scum; they’re a person assigned a mafia role.

But to your other point…<insert nothing response to nothing accusation >

[snowy801]

So we're building up to the part where we yeet out the old first right?

stop age-shaming, wtf

Stop being old, wtf

How did nobody mention a factional roleblock until now with all this chitter about no killing

Hammers are bad. Take not away my god given right to flash people