M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

[ghug]

I am responding to what I figured were comments on my position, judging from the quotes.

And I guess if I'm being more precise, there are cases where it would be worth taking a shot on day 1. A day 1 kill can't categorically be deemed not worth it. But I do strongly believe that no flip changes the day 1 calculus from "take your best shot, but 100% take a shot" to "take a shot if it's good, but hold if it's not."

Random kills are better than scum-directed kills.

Explain this more please. Let's say you kill me D1, what do you get out of it?

Exclude the obvious 'no more worcej to annoy me' type responses if you would please.

a) you might be scum
b) the Oracle can target someone
c) you might be scum
d) redacted
e) there are fewer people to keep track of
f) you might be scum
g) nobody has to listen to several of us arguing with you
h) you might be scum
i) one less no-kill voter
j) we're not halfway to losing a town-directed kill
k) you might be scum
l) this game isn't mind-numbingly boring

[ghug]

I'm kind of loathe to even keep talking about no-kill in any case, because if the town actually collectively decides to no-kill this early, then people will get apathetic and coast.

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Sabi's earnestness and freely mingling in the thread strike me as hard to show in one's first mafia game.
bozo and worcej approached the mechanical questions the same way I did.
snowy approached them from the opposite perspective, but the way he did reminded me of the previous town/crew performances I've seen from him.
Boat tried to keep things on track during the peak of the shitposting earlier tonight.

ghug and kgray were reaching a bit with some of their earlier questions. I want to say it was early day 1 town reaching, but their mafia range is wide enough for something like that, so I don't think I should give them credit for it.

Bona can have his townread when he works a little harder on his chores. For now I haven't seen enough to substantiate his claim that I townread him.

Which questions?

[Chaqa]

Also my biggest argument for D1 kill is that no kill is boring.

It killed my soul, no killing D3 on M69 and I'm not keen on playing a game like that for at least like 5 days when there aren't even flips to validate my obvious supremacy in all things.

And in the end, isn't a game meant to be fun? It's not like we're playing against wincon, which would be the only real argument to repress 'fun' in a game environment afaic.

So all things considered, I recognize your arguments and that it isn't without merit, I just think we absolutely kill D1 and all subsequent days.

This is a reaction I think is genuine from Snowy. This is the guy who won't wait around 10 minutes while we get a 9th and 10th player for Among us.

[Bonatogether]

I don't remember worcej's tells but I know it's pronounced like Worchester sauce

I fucking love this meta analysis of me lol

i do my best

[President Eden]

b) the Oracle can target someone

This is a good reason for a d1 kill that I didn't consider, very cool

as for which questions, I'll have to go look it up

[Bonatogether]

Give me the meta bona

the meta post

Good now apply this to this game

I should go to bed, but I'll do it tomorrow

[TheFlyingBoat]

asking 'who do you think is scummy and why' or some variation on that always is good. asking about specific people too is good too, but a lot of the knowledge of who to ask about whatever read is just meta knowledge that you won't have. you can still make contributions to the game. there really is no such thing as a dumb question

Give me the meta bona

everyone who is in an argument is very readable in the sense that you can usually figure out a link of alignments (this person is not aligned with this other person, which must mean they have the same alignment as this third person, etc).

i already said my meta

bozo just does mechanics and game theory posts, and can't make a scumread to save his life as scum

bunny is pretty smart but is an odd duck, idr his scum tells

chaqa perennially lowposts as town but still does a good job, puts in effort as scum and usually wins. he also has many excuses that ghug can tell you for why he missed EoD

I haven't played with damo in a while and I don't remember his meta

doom is new and we can probably/maybe/hopefully use the newbie tells

durga is smart, gets in arguments and a good liar, which is hard to read iirc

i'm going to quote emc on flum: 'ascended to mafia nirvana' which essentially just means he doesn't especially care (idk how to put it) but he still plays and gets it right (or wrong, as the case may be)

ghug tryhards

jamie gets in arguments and has some other tells i dont remember

jasnah, in her one game, preached about her great skill and leadership and hardcarried the game for the entire town in a clean sweep, perhaps the best in webdip history

kgray is like durga but doesn't get into as many arguments. she gets fearkilled by scum (brainbomb) but it's clear when she's scum with celaph at least

lfischl lurks. nothing else to it

eden tryhards but in a more analytical big picture way than ghug, or he memes and does better than otherwise. idk his scum tells here, but in among us his imposter tell is saying that the argument against him just plain doesn't work

rdr is a low poster who is good. a decent tell for him is if he dies n1. he's very sly

idr snowy's tells, assume ghug-lite

the boat guy is a newb

I never learned Tom's tells

vecna is like flum in that he's much more chill. he has a good reputation but people are surprised when he wins/is right

I don't remember worcej's tells but I know it's pronounced like Worchester sauce

Smh I've literally been playing mafia on forums since you were like two

[snowy801]

Wait, TheFlyingBoat is new? He definitely doesn't come off as new

[President Eden]

Give me the meta bona

everyone who is in an argument is very readable in the sense that you can usually figure out a link of alignments (this person is not aligned with this other person, which must mean they have the same alignment as this third person, etc).

i already said my meta

bozo just does mechanics and game theory posts, and can't make a scumread to save his life as scum

bunny is pretty smart but is an odd duck, idr his scum tells

chaqa perennially lowposts as town but still does a good job, puts in effort as scum and usually wins. he also has many excuses that ghug can tell you for why he missed EoD

I haven't played with damo in a while and I don't remember his meta

doom is new and we can probably/maybe/hopefully use the newbie tells

durga is smart, gets in arguments and a good liar, which is hard to read iirc

i'm going to quote emc on flum: 'ascended to mafia nirvana' which essentially just means he doesn't especially care (idk how to put it) but he still plays and gets it right (or wrong, as the case may be)

ghug tryhards

jamie gets in arguments and has some other tells i dont remember

jasnah, in her one game, preached about her great skill and leadership and hardcarried the game for the entire town in a clean sweep, perhaps the best in webdip history

kgray is like durga but doesn't get into as many arguments. she gets fearkilled by scum (brainbomb) but it's clear when she's scum with celaph at least

lfischl lurks. nothing else to it

eden tryhards but in a more analytical big picture way than ghug, or he memes and does better than otherwise. idk his scum tells here, but in among us his imposter tell is saying that the argument against him just plain doesn't work

rdr is a low poster who is good. a decent tell for him is if he dies n1. he's very sly

idr snowy's tells, assume ghug-lite

the boat guy is a newb

I never learned Tom's tells

vecna is like flum in that he's much more chill. he has a good reputation but people are surprised when he wins/is right

I don't remember worcej's tells but I know it's pronounced like Worchester sauce

Smh I've literally been playing mafia on forums since you were like two

I unironically played my first game of mafia before Bona was born.

[kgray]

It's less likely that we hit a PR D1 than it is that scum kill a PR N1, so we might as well take the shot at hitting scum imo

This is true, but I don't think the risk is worth it when by no-killing we 100% ensure no town player dies today and we can enter D2 knowing for sure a town player is dead (the N1 kill) and can at least try to analyze why.

Unless there's PR stuff we will go into D2 knowing for sure a town player is dead anyway.

[Bonatogether]

Give me the meta bona

the meta post

Smh I've literally been playing mafia on forums since you were like two

Probably true

[Bonatogether]

Wait, TheFlyingBoat is new? He definitely doesn't come off as new

New enough

[President Eden]

And if you really want to get ancient, I'm pretty sure BunnyGo played his first game of mafia before I was born.

[Bonatogether]

I am glad we have established everyone else here is extremely old.

The hip and cool youth (ghug is not included in this) are taking over.

[kgray]

ghug and kgray were reaching a bit with some of their earlier questions. I want to say it was early day 1 town reaching, but their mafia range is wide enough for something like that, so I don't think I should give them credit for it.

What do you know about my mafia range? I don't think I've ever played a game with you?

[Chaqa]

I can see the benefits of both sides of this kill vs. no-kill argument.

I prefer the no-kill side on paper, but it would really slow the game down. I personally don't mind this, but the game might extend from say 8-10 day phases to more like 15+, and that could be a drag.

I think I'll second Eden's "vote if it's a good vote, no kill otherwise" stance.

[ghug]

b) the Oracle can target someone

This is a good reason for a d1 kill that I didn't consider, very cool

as for which questions, I'll have to go look it up

I didn't consider it until someone mentioned it.

Not reading is a scumtell

[ghug]

I am glad we have established everyone else here is extremely old.

The hip and cool youth (ghug is not included in this) are taking over.

I am apparently younger than Durga and kgray.

[ghug]

ghug and kgray were reaching a bit with some of their earlier questions. I want to say it was early day 1 town reaching, but their mafia range is wide enough for something like that, so I don't think I should give them credit for it.

What do you know about my mafia range? I don't think I've ever played a game with you?

You're me, duh.

[BunnyGo]

everyone who is in an argument is very readable in the sense that you can usually figure out a link of alignments (this person is not aligned with this other person, which must mean they have the same alignment as this third person, etc).

i already said my meta

bozo just does mechanics and game theory posts, and can't make a scumread to save his life as scum

bunny is pretty smart but is an odd duck, idr his scum tells

chaqa perennially lowposts as town but still does a good job, puts in effort as scum and usually wins. he also has many excuses that ghug can tell you for why he missed EoD

I haven't played with damo in a while and I don't remember his meta

doom is new and we can probably/maybe/hopefully use the newbie tells

durga is smart, gets in arguments and a good liar, which is hard to read iirc

i'm going to quote emc on flum: 'ascended to mafia nirvana' which essentially just means he doesn't especially care (idk how to put it) but he still plays and gets it right (or wrong, as the case may be)

ghug tryhards

jamie gets in arguments and has some other tells i dont remember

jasnah, in her one game, preached about her great skill and leadership and hardcarried the game for the entire town in a clean sweep, perhaps the best in webdip history

kgray is like durga but doesn't get into as many arguments. she gets fearkilled by scum (brainbomb) but it's clear when she's scum with celaph at least

lfischl lurks. nothing else to it

eden tryhards but in a more analytical big picture way than ghug, or he memes and does better than otherwise. idk his scum tells here, but in among us his imposter tell is saying that the argument against him just plain doesn't work

rdr is a low poster who is good. a decent tell for him is if he dies n1. he's very sly

idr snowy's tells, assume ghug-lite

the boat guy is a newb

I never learned Tom's tells

vecna is like flum in that he's much more chill. he has a good reputation but people are surprised when he wins/is right

I don't remember worcej's tells but I know it's pronounced like Worchester sauce

Smh I've literally been playing mafia on forums since you were like two

I unironically played my first game of mafia before Bona was born.

I unironically played my first game of mafia before Eden was born (I think...I'm not entirely sure of Eden's age).

Anyways, this has been a fun catch up. But I still think if we're going to kill someone today we should turn up the pace.

##vote Chaq ##end