M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

[ghug]

Most likely.

You're not allowed to tell me you told me so when we inevitably lose, because that's going to happen regardless.

TBF - the only recent ‘I told you’ I have was when I pegged kgray as scum in the last game I played with her.

And we all know why that happened.

[BesharamSabi]

Why do you feel the game has yet to progress to a more serious stage? Based on this and below, which was p17

I feel like it's not a safe place for me to get to know people and feel people out :/

Im sorry :/

the game can be a shitpost meme whenever you want it to be

Don't let the flame die out!

[worcej]

I can't understand why some people bother making the same ridiculous suggestion d1 of every game. Guess what, mafia don't get killed unless we do it. They're certainly not dying at night, and we're not waiting 5 game phases for some cop who may or may not be dead to tell us what to do for "information"

This frustration makes sense when you at least get information from the flip. In this game, we learn nothing. PRs are inherently more valuable because the whole ‘at least we learn something from any flip’ is gone.

If I wanted to just play a ‘let’s randomly kill someone and learn nothing’ game, I would play Russian Roulette.

[kgray]

Most likely.

You're not allowed to tell me you told me so when we inevitably lose, because that's going to happen regardless.

TBF - the only recent ‘I told you’ I have was when I pegged kgray as scum in the last game I played with her.

Are you referring to the game where you sat and watched me lead your miskill and then used your dying breath to declare that pissing me off had allowed you to determine I was town? And then claimed that we only won because we played poorly?

That game?

[BesharamSabi]

I feel like it's not a safe place for me to get to know people and feel people out :/

Im sorry :/

the game can be a shitpost meme whenever you want it to be

Don't let the flame die out!

Doesn't feel safe place for me to feel people out with questions or what not. Just want to get a feel. I'm new. I dunno most of you. Feels weird now

[worcej]

You're not allowed to tell me you told me so when we inevitably lose, because that's going to happen regardless.

TBF - the only recent ‘I told you’ I have was when I pegged kgray as scum in the last game I played with her.

And we all know why that happened.

Do we? Please tell me explicitly why that happened.

[snowy801]

the game can be a shitpost meme whenever you want it to be

Don't let the flame die out!

Doesn't feel safe place for me to feel people out with questions or what not. Just want to get a feel. I'm new. I dunno most of you. Feels weird now

Safety is an illusion
Attack is the best form of defense. Kill or be killed

[snowy801]

Also worcej is being absolutely slammed this is pretty hilarious

[President Eden]

I can't understand why some people bother making the same ridiculous suggestion d1 of every game. Guess what, mafia don't get killed unless we do it. They're certainly not dying at night, and we're not waiting 5 game phases for some cop who may or may not be dead to tell us what to do for "information"

You're obviously free to disagree with the end conclusion, but it's simply a fact that the value of d1 killing goes down when you don't get a flip. This setup is a lot closer to something like Among Us (where voting someone out is situational and contextual) than normal mafia (where you shoot every time barring some specific mechanical interaction). If I felt like the game wouldn't bog down into apathy from lack of kills then I would be firmly in the no-kill camp for day 1 and possibly later on.

[bozotheclown]

Shrug
I think waiting for PRs to deliver salvation is a weakness that needs to be burned out

Also that's what the doc is for

Honestly I see some people are concerned about the whole no flip business but as far as I can see this is a pretty easy setup, probably because of the above reason

Vote out d1, cc eon1, and carry on as usual. Should cover all stated concerns I've so far seen

I think a good reason for a no-kill D1 is to make sure we do not accidentally force a PR to reveal. Usually the loss of information is enough to counter that, but with the no reveal I do not think that is the case here.

You want to play this game or do you want the PRs to play this game while the rest of us do nothing?

I think the PRs are important in this game, so I am OK waiting until D2 to vote to give the PRs the best chance of staying hidden, although I do not think we have to "do nothing".

[worcej]

You're not allowed to tell me you told me so when we inevitably lose, because that's going to happen regardless.

TBF - the only recent ‘I told you’ I have was when I pegged kgray as scum in the last game I played with her.

Are you referring to the game where you sat and watched me lead your miskill and then used your dying breath to declare that pissing me off had allowed you to determine I was town? And then claimed that we only won because we played poorly?

That game?

Yeah, but you’re excluding the part where I was onto you and several people decided to tell me to back off from my case because I was being ‘mean’ by pointing out it was incredibly scummy how you couldn’t take a compliment about being good town and you were deflecting constantly.

And then everyone proceeded to town you until we lost.

[TheFlyingBoat]

I can't understand why some people bother making the same ridiculous suggestion d1 of every game. Guess what, mafia don't get killed unless we do it. They're certainly not dying at night, and we're not waiting 5 game phases for some cop who may or may not be dead to tell us what to do for "information"

This frustration makes sense when you at least get information from the flip. In this game, we learn nothing. PRs are inherently more valuable because the whole ‘at least we learn something from any flip’ is gone.

If I wanted to just play a ‘let’s randomly kill someone and learn nothing’ game, I would play Russian Roulette.

It is what we have the oracle of the dead for.

[Durga]

I can't understand why some people bother making the same ridiculous suggestion d1 of every game. Guess what, mafia don't get killed unless we do it. They're certainly not dying at night, and we're not waiting 5 game phases for some cop who may or may not be dead to tell us what to do for "information"

You're obviously free to disagree with the end conclusion, but it's simply a fact that the value of d1 killing goes down when you don't get a flip. This setup is a lot closer to something like Among Us (where voting someone out is situational and contextual) than normal mafia (where you shoot every time barring some specific mechanical interaction). If I felt like the game wouldn't bog down into apathy from lack of kills then I would be firmly in the no-kill camp for day 1 and possibly later on.

I guess scum will kill themselves then eh. Or are we giving them a few chances at killing our obv towns first for fun?

You're assuming we're going to get info somehow and that's not really a good assumption. Our best chance of winning is and will always be day killing the scummiest candidate.

That's all I'll say on this.

[kgray]

TBF - the only recent ‘I told you’ I have was when I pegged kgray as scum in the last game I played with her.

And we all know why that happened.

Do we? Please tell me explicitly why that happened.

Pretty sure this is what happened:

Purposely 'stayed away' this EOD to watch how the votes fell on me. Interesting experiment to say the least.

I am pretty sure kgray isn't mafia since I'd be an easier miskill later. I believe she's town or 3P. She's just emotionally tunneling because she's upset at me and needs me gone to stop clouding her, which is one of her weaknesses.

ghug is opportunistic, but also on par. I don't think he'd need much of a push to kill me in any game where we are not scum together. But his sudden attempt to not make me the kill sticks out as scum trying to save my MK for later. Null overall, was towning until his later move to Bona.

BB is BB - his reads are all over and that's almost always a blanket. His forgetting I am on GYs doesn't come off as natural to me since my 'away time' has been consistent these past several days. Scum points to him.

HB isn't putting any real effort. His 'gut reads' are trash and I think he's trying to coast this out awhile longer. The lack of conviction this early makes me feel he is distancing intentionally to not get caught like he has in the past. Scum points for him.

Maniac is doing the same thing as HB. Of the two, I think HB is more likely scum but also Maniac isn't trying very hard either. Null.

I still think damo isn't normal so he's in my scum/3P pool too. He isn't being 'organic' in my eyes, but this could be RL influenced more than anything.

In the great words of kgray and ghug, "worcej is bad". But ya'll need to learn my VT game better.

**loads gun, points at head, pulls trigger**
##vote worcej

Hopefully this doesn't cause a tie!

Anyway, I think it's kind of ridiculous to say scum played poorly and town just played worse. The only reason any scum died at all was because *we* bused him (again, sorry Demon) so obviously we did something right.

Maybe that's my ego talking, but whatever. I had fun. And thanks GMs.

Scum, as a team, had an objectively poor game. Celaph and Macca did not play well and should've been dead to rights but town were terrible and let it slide. You did not need to bus Demon on D1, who was arguably your most important role, and yet you guys did.

You did win, which is the ultimate goal, but you did so in an objectively poorly manner.

[worcej]

Also worcej is being absolutely slammed this is pretty hilarious

Eh, I expected it from ghug, Kgray, and Durga. There’s meta to back it up lol

But what is important to note: this is one of the few times I 100% agree with Bozo.

[snowy801]

I can't understand why some people bother making the same ridiculous suggestion d1 of every game. Guess what, mafia don't get killed unless we do it. They're certainly not dying at night, and we're not waiting 5 game phases for some cop who may or may not be dead to tell us what to do for "information"

You're obviously free to disagree with the end conclusion, but it's simply a fact that the value of d1 killing goes down when you don't get a flip. This setup is a lot closer to something like Among Us (where voting someone out is situational and contextual) than normal mafia (where you shoot every time barring some specific mechanical interaction). If I felt like the game wouldn't bog down into apathy from lack of kills then I would be firmly in the no-kill camp for day 1 and possibly later on.

For all that I heard this a dozen times before it's still somewhat shocking to hear this. You guys have been playing mafia for how many years, and you don't trust yourselves to find 4 scum in what... at least 7 chances + however more we get correct?

This is within our capacity. Trust in your reads, and PRs will supplement our knowledge not be its entire.

[kgray]

TBF - the only recent ‘I told you’ I have was when I pegged kgray as scum in the last game I played with her.

Are you referring to the game where you sat and watched me lead your miskill and then used your dying breath to declare that pissing me off had allowed you to determine I was town? And then claimed that we only won because we played poorly?

That game?

Yeah, but you’re excluding the part where I was onto you and several people decided to tell me to back off from my case because I was being ‘mean’ by pointing out it was incredibly scummy how you couldn’t take a compliment about being good town and you were deflecting constantly.

And then everyone proceeded to town you until we lost.

This is the most revisionist take I've ever read

[Durga]

Also worcej is being absolutely slammed this is pretty hilarious

Eh, I expected it from ghug, Kgray, and Durga. There’s meta to back it up lol

But what is important to note: this is one of the few times I 100% agree with Bozo.

I haven't said anything to you? Leave me out of it.

[worcej]

And we all know why that happened.

Do we? Please tell me explicitly why that happened.

Pretty sure this is what happened:

Purposely 'stayed away' this EOD to watch how the votes fell on me. Interesting experiment to say the least.

I am pretty sure kgray isn't mafia since I'd be an easier miskill later. I believe she's town or 3P. She's just emotionally tunneling because she's upset at me and needs me gone to stop clouding her, which is one of her weaknesses.

ghug is opportunistic, but also on par. I don't think he'd need much of a push to kill me in any game where we are not scum together. But his sudden attempt to not make me the kill sticks out as scum trying to save my MK for later. Null overall, was towning until his later move to Bona.

BB is BB - his reads are all over and that's almost always a blanket. His forgetting I am on GYs doesn't come off as natural to me since my 'away time' has been consistent these past several days. Scum points to him.

HB isn't putting any real effort. His 'gut reads' are trash and I think he's trying to coast this out awhile longer. The lack of conviction this early makes me feel he is distancing intentionally to not get caught like he has in the past. Scum points for him.

Maniac is doing the same thing as HB. Of the two, I think HB is more likely scum but also Maniac isn't trying very hard either. Null.

I still think damo isn't normal so he's in my scum/3P pool too. He isn't being 'organic' in my eyes, but this could be RL influenced more than anything.

In the great words of kgray and ghug, "worcej is bad". But ya'll need to learn my VT game better.

**loads gun, points at head, pulls trigger**
##vote worcej

Hopefully this doesn't cause a tie!

Anyway, I think it's kind of ridiculous to say scum played poorly and town just played worse. The only reason any scum died at all was because *we* bused him (again, sorry Demon) so obviously we did something right.

Maybe that's my ego talking, but whatever. I had fun. And thanks GMs.

Scum, as a team, had an objectively poor game. Celaph and Macca did not play well and should've been dead to rights but town were terrible and let it slide. You did not need to bus Demon on D1, who was arguably your most important role, and yet you guys did.

You did win, which is the ultimate goal, but you did so in an objectively poorly manner.

What value are you gaining by dragging this up now? I was pretty sour that I was told to stop pushing a case because I was mean when I was actually right the entire time.

Also - stop answering ghug’s questions for him.

[BesharamSabi]

Doesn't feel safe place for me to feel people out with questions or what not. Just want to get a feel. I'm new. I dunno most of you. Feels weird now

Safety is an illusion
Attack is the best form of defense. Kill or be killed

I'm aware. I just want to see how people are so I can get their vibe. That's all. Sorry if it wasn't serious business enough for you