Mini Mafia 1018 - Race with the Devil [hidden]

[celaph]

4 more than anything.

As a member of town, I was picking up 'Fox is a PR or scum' vibes based on how he was playing. He's fairly easy to read for me.

Can you point towards where you got those vibes? I'm curious what I missed.

Not to give away my secret, but VT!Fox pushes cases. When I don't see much case pushing and more treading water, Fox has been PR or Scum.

Not clear cut as I would have liked, but if worcej is scum its a bold move to say 4 after 3 of us said the opposite.

My instinct is if scum was shooting Fox for being a PR then they would have RB'd him which makes me want to give worcej townpoints.

[rdrivera2005]

@Bob
@celaph

can you come here and vote for maniac please?

I presume you want me to vote for Maniac's sake and not vote for Maniac, the latter of which I will not do.

##vote rdr

He wanted you to vote for Manaic to have tied wagons. But voting for me had the same effect.

I don´t like this kind of mechanic voting to look of the wagons later as it´s a good excuse for naked votes (like yours). But let´s see where it goes.

[rdrivera2005]

4 hours to go and voting is very close.

Things that interest me:
1 - quite a dew people are scum reading worcej but no one is voting for him
2 - Bona is voting for celaph, but apart from that there is no appetite to make him a wagon today (IMHO for good reasons)
3 - Bona is townreading both the lead wagons, Chaqa and ghug
4 - Bona voting for ghug early on whilst admitting he had no case against him is odd
5 - Chaqa seems resigned to being killed because he just hasn't put any effort into finding scum.

People I won't vote for today: Bob, Celaph, Kakarroto, Rdrivera,
People I would vote for: Chaqa, WorceJ
People I could vote for at a push: Ghug, vecna, Bona,
People I think are handsome: Maniac

Why aren't you willing to vote for Rdr?

Because he can see I am obviously town?

[celaph]

Hmm, celaph said he wants to sleep over it, even gave some reads. Bob is in an Australian timezone, right?

Would any of them miss a Day shift to Night?

I'm on the west coast US just with a terrible sleep schedule. I'll be around all game to make the deadline unless I'm busy at work.

[rdrivera2005]

celaph (or anyone else who cares to answer), if Chaqa's scum, how likely do you think it is that he lists only townies in his pool of potential votes?

Why this is relevant now?

[ghug]

celaph (or anyone else who cares to answer), if Chaqa's scum, how likely do you think it is that he lists only townies in his pool of potential votes?

Why this is relevant now?

Because I'm trying to solve the game?

[rdrivera2005]

Can you point towards where you got those vibes? I'm curious what I missed.

Not to give away my secret, but VT!Fox pushes cases. When I don't see much case pushing and more treading water, Fox has been PR or Scum.

Not clear cut as I would have liked, but if worcej is scum its a bold move to say 4 after 3 of us said the opposite.

My instinct is if scum was shooting Fox for being a PR then they would have RB'd him which makes me want to give worcej townpoints.

The only reason to RB and NK the same target is to avoid a doc self safe (which obvioiusly didn´t happen). I can´t follow your logic here.

[Chaqa]

celaph (or anyone else who cares to answer), if Chaqa's scum, how likely do you think it is that he lists only townies in his pool of potential votes?

This wouldn't jive with the "chaqa busses HUR DUR" narrative that you all push every other game, so I would be pretty suspicious if you tried to vote me suddenly under this hypothesis.

[Bonatogether]

revisiting lfischl posts:
quotes Vecna: 1, quotes rd: 1, quotes Bona: 2, quotes ghug: 2, quotes fox: 3, quotes Bob: 1, quotes worcej: 1
11 of his 11 posts are quotes
8 of his 11 posts had Vecna as topic or part of it
3 of his 11 posts had Bona as topic or part of it
1 of his 11 posts has the ghug/jamie 'opposite roles' thing
1 of his 11 posts was a good night as answer to rd's good night wishes
and 1 of his 11 posts on peterbot stares at me with gigantic eyes (thought that's a Bona quote)
fun fact: he starts and ends his whole game with *SQUAWK* (one in the quote)

Conclusion: he loves to quote. His favourite topic is Vecna. He completely leaves out/ignores celaph, maniac and myself (although maniac was mentioned in one of the quotes).

Hrmm ... I don't know if there is something to be learned from.

bullshit analysis

it definitely says something about vecna

[Chaqa]

celaph (or anyone else who cares to answer), if Chaqa's scum, how likely do you think it is that he lists only townies in his pool of potential votes?

Why this is relevant now?

Hmm maybe rivera is town.

[rdrivera2005]

celaph (or anyone else who cares to answer), if Chaqa's scum, how likely do you think it is that he lists only townies in his pool of potential votes?

Why this is relevant now?

Because I'm trying to solve the game?

Could you explain for less brilliant players why speculating now if scum Chaqa would list only town as possible votes will help solve the game?

[Bonatogether]

Why?

it subtly throws shade of vecna in a no good and very bad way

It's not subtle? I'm pointing out something scummy.

then call it scummy the normal way instead of a roundabout 'this is a thing i do as scum '

[celaph]

Would you say that Bona is tunneling celaph too hard? Do you feel any maliciousness behind the case(s) he makes?

Bona's argument on me is stupid and annoying, but I suspect that it comes from a towny place. In our early games together he consistently scumread me when we were both town. He also knows that I've historically been my most alignment indicative when I've been pressured. Thus, I can see him being motivated to try and drum up support for my wagon.

The only scum Bona line I'm considering is whether he is intentionally acting less sharp as there have been points that he seems to have missed that I would expect him to have picked up on.

when has town bona ever been sharp

If your being honest here you need to give yourself more credit. Your weakness has been your struggle to explain yourself and push those reads, not your observations nor self awareness.

[Bonatogether]

@Bob
@celaph

can you come here and vote for maniac please?

@Vecna
@Bona

would you change your vote to rd? Or if that's not possible, Vecna could you change your vote to celaph?

That way we would have 5 strong players all tied with 2 votes. Lets play a game of chicken and race those wagons into the direction of the cliff! Ohh, the wagonomics!

im eh about the rdr wagon

[Bonatogether]

4 hours to go and voting is very close.

Things that interest me:
1 - quite a dew people are scum reading worcej but no one is voting for him
2 - Bona is voting for celaph, but apart from that there is no appetite to make him a wagon today (IMHO for good reasons)
3 - Bona is townreading both the lead wagons, Chaqa and ghug
4 - Bona voting for ghug early on whilst admitting he had no case against him is odd
5 - Chaqa seems resigned to being killed because he just hasn't put any effort into finding scum.

People I won't vote for today: Bob, Celaph, Kakarroto, Rdrivera,
People I would vote for: Chaqa, WorceJ
People I could vote for at a push: Ghug, vecna, Bona,
People I think are handsome: Maniac

4) was a joke you clown

[celaph]

Still kinda Sus of Kak moving off fish

I see that, but presumably he gets slaughtered if he actually caused a tie and especially after lfischl flips later. From that mindset I don't know why scum would risk it when he's well positioned to get bussing credit.

By that logic, then our PoE is pretty narrow. Here's where I'm at:

Don't vote:
- Bona
- celaph
- ghug

Probably not vote today:
- Bob
- Maniac
- Kakarot

That only leaves worcej, rivera, and Vecna.

I wouldn't hate it if worcej, rdr, and maybe Bob where the wagons for the day. My PoE isn't down to those 3, but they are my top choices atm.

[rdrivera2005]

I see that, but presumably he gets slaughtered if he actually caused a tie and especially after lfischl flips later. From that mindset I don't know why scum would risk it when he's well positioned to get bussing credit.

By that logic, then our PoE is pretty narrow. Here's where I'm at:

Don't vote:
- Bona
- celaph
- ghug

Probably not vote today:
- Bob
- Maniac
- Kakarot

That only leaves worcej, rivera, and Vecna.

I wouldn't hate it if worcej, rdr, and maybe Bob where the wagons for the day. My PoE isn't down to those 3, but they are my top choices atm.

Do you townread Ghug and Vecna over me and Bob. Really?

[celaph]

celaph (or anyone else who cares to answer), if Chaqa's scum, how likely do you think it is that he lists only townies in his pool of potential votes?

If it was a bigger game, low. But with only 2 scum left and Chaqa not being seen in particularly favorable light I wouldn't be surprised if scum Chaqa defends his teammate. I think back to when Chaqa, kgray, and I were scum and Chaqa was willing to put some work in to defend me when I was struggling.

[ghug]

Why this is relevant now?

Because I'm trying to solve the game?

Could you explain for less brilliant players why speculating now if scum Chaqa would list only town as possible votes will help solve the game?

I'd like some opinions before I get at what I'm getting at.

[Chaqa]

celaph (or anyone else who cares to answer), if Chaqa's scum, how likely do you think it is that he lists only townies in his pool of potential votes?

If it was a bigger game, low. But with only 2 scum left and Chaqa not being seen in particularly favorable light I wouldn't be surprised if scum Chaqa defends his teammate. I think back to when Chaqa, kgray, and I were scum and Chaqa was willing to put some work in to defend me when I was struggling.

This is a fair assessment, and is why I think you're town.