M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

[foodcoats]

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Updated tracker, Snowy is not clear edition!

Obviously just because there's a confluence of opinions doesn't mean it's right...

But you know, I kinda wanted to do this to illustrate why maybe voting out foodcoats is not the best idea today, among other things.

I think the decision should be to vote Maniac/Jamiet, and hot salsa Vecna who will have given away all his items (if nobody receives the hot salsa at night, we auto hammer him tomorrow).

I think there is no reason to rush to a conclusion, as we have over 24 hours left in the phase, but that is where I stand at the moment.

I still don’t understand this chart

[foodcoats]

What are the axes?

[snowy801]

What are the axes?

The columns (top row) are all the players in the game.
The rows (first column) are all the players explicitly accused.

The intersection is the reads.

[snowy801]

Snowy why’d you townread brain so hard?

Uh, the honest answer isn't so nice, so since this a question about your own alignment unless you need it because you want to question me directly I'd prefer not to say.

[foodcoats]

What are the axes?

The columns (top row) are all the players in the game.
The rows (first column) are all the players explicitly accused.

The intersection is the reads.

Okay, thanks.

And what does it mean if a box is crossed out? “Not-scum”/“not-3P”?

[snowy801]

What are the axes?

The columns (top row) are all the players in the game.
The rows (first column) are all the players explicitly accused.

The intersection is the reads.

Okay, thanks.

And what does it mean if a box is crossed out? “Not-scum”/“not-3P”?

X is my best estimation of how they said we should vote today.
Noticeably, damo is saying we should vote for someone not quite most likely to be scum/3P.

damo also did not give a specific answer as to "only 3P / scum, no waffling" so I put it there as he put it.

[foodcoats]

The columns (top row) are all the players in the game.
The rows (first column) are all the players explicitly accused.

The intersection is the reads.

Okay, thanks.

And what does it mean if a box is crossed out? “Not-scum”/“not-3P”?

X is my best estimation of how they said we should vote today.
Noticeably, damo is saying we should vote for someone not quite most likely to be scum/3P.

damo also did not give a specific answer as to "only 3P / scum, no waffling" so I put it there as he put it.

Okay, cool.

So me, Maniac and Vecna are tied in the running to be 3P.

Jamie and Maniac are the most widely scumread.

Save a food, kill a Maniac.

[foodcoats]

##VOTE Nokill

I’m guessing me, Vecna and Maniac should all be off wagon here.

[snowy801]

##VOTE Nokill

I’m guessing me, Vecna and Maniac should all be off wagon here.

You three, HB should be off simply on account of him not having a vote (is he 3P? Less than 0.01% but that's better than 0%, so no point having him vote), as well as bozo.

The voters:
snowy
damo
rdrivera
Kgray
Macca
Jamiet

[snowy801]

Although I know some people (like bozo) are paranoid about Jamiet being 3P so I don't mind if we keep him off either.

[snowy801]

So I think everyone self votes, and we get on with the actual voting.

Uh, my opinion is that we have much more info on scum than 3P right now, so we vote out Jamiet, Hot Salsa Vecna tonight, if he spills all / commutes / doesn't cooperate we insta hammer Vecna and if he doesn't do any of that, we vote Maniac.

Sound good? Or do we want to be ultra scared and vote Vecna out tonight, as he is the literally only person with an actual chance of winning instantly? (I do not advocate this plan in the slightest, but bozo does)

I do not believe voting for foodcoats/Maniac is the play tonight, as I do not think either of them are capable of winning tonight.

Please leave your opinions, and make sure that if you are on the following list you self-vote:

bozo
foodcoats
Jamiet
Hamilton Brian
Vecna
Maniac

And the rest of you, choose an actual vote. Of course, just because you're not voting doesn't mean you don't get a say.

[Chaqa]

##GM Note: Reminder to copy President Eden on all PMs for actions.

https://webdiplomacy.net/userprofile.php?userID=25958

There will be a cutoff at some point tomorrow where any actions not sent to Eden will not be counted, as I will be attending a wedding for most of the day.

[kgray]

Snowy why’d you townread brain so hard?

Uh, the honest answer isn't so nice, so since this a question about your own alignment unless you need it because you want to question me directly I'd prefer not to say.

Alright, that’s fine. If it’s just a strong (meta/gut?) read that’s all I really need to know.

[rdrivera2005]

I think voting Maniac is safer then voting Jamiet because there is no risk 3-P gets the chicken (unless it's Jamiet, but in this case he didn't got Bona's item).
Food is also safe, but I think there is less chance to hit 3-P or scum.

[snowy801]

I think voting Maniac is safer then voting Jamiet because there is no risk 3-P gets the chicken (unless it's Jamiet, but in this case he didn't got Bona's item).
Food is also safe, but I think there is less chance to hit 3-P or scum.

I'm okay with this too, I'm just trying to appease the "omg we're literally about to lose to 3P this phase" crowd.

It's paranoid, but not literally impossible, I'd say. Maybe <5% chance?

[bozotheclown]

I think voting Maniac is safer then voting Jamiet because there is no risk 3-P gets the chicken (unless it's Jamiet, but in this case he didn't got Bona's item).
Food is also safe, but I think there is less chance to hit 3-P or scum.

I'm okay with this too, I'm just trying to appease the "omg we're literally about to lose to 3P this phase" crowd.

It's paranoid, but not literally impossible, I'd say. Maybe <5% chance?

I prefer Maniac also.

[Maniac]

##vote maniac - you know it makes sense

[Vecna]

I know this will sound dangerous to people, but im still advocating for voting jamiet today, while we know he still has the chicken.

Not because I think he is the 3P really (small small chance only), but because it serves two purposes:

It either confirms the 3P is in the group of 3 were leaving off, or it shows a critical error in our thinking that if proven will cost us the game if we do not kill Jamiet today. By this I mean; if noone on that wagon claims the chicken afterwards, we know we've been wrong on our 3P assumptions and we can actually CLEAR maniac/me/foodcoats off it. Which would be huge.

If it goes as expected and someone claims the chicken, we still have a big win, since we likely killed scum, and it confirms that either foodcoats or maniac is the 3P (see what I did there).

The risky side for all of you, which I know is not really a threat right now, but people are going to be scared of it ofcourse, is that I do a classic vecna if im the 3P and try to swoop the chicken for a small chance to win tonight. This would ofcourse only work if Jamiet is not actually the roleblocker.

Up to y'all if you wanna take that risk. If it works and I clear myself with the item tonight, or let someone else do it, that would confirm the 3P to a very small group of people tomorrow.

[TheMadMonarch]

What an interesting day....

[TheMadMonarch]

Snowy wanted 3P and scum candidates, so let's work out way down the list:

Underlined those who it is definitely not.

bozotheclown
damo666
foodcoats
Hamilton Brian
Jamiet99uk
kgray
Macca573
Maniac
rdrivera2005
snowy801
Vecna

blue are those with townreads:
bozotheclown
foodcoats
Hamilton Brian
Jamiet99uk
kgray
Maniac
rdrivera2005
Vecna

Of these?
foodcoats
Hamilton Brian
Maniac
rdrivera2005

I like to believe in honestly, and I trust Tom B with the HB 3P. Considering rdr gave the guac to damo (even after their suspicious earlier use), I think him unlikely to be maf. Therefore:

3P
HB

Maf
Maniac
Food


I hope taking you through my thought process as it has developed has helped.


Note(s):

Vecna: I've had a townread on them for most of the game, but as they say, town Vecna always dies. (jk, that mostly irrelevant). I am worried by what bozo was saying however. As I mentioned earlier, he had me completely convinced while I was reading it. How well it's been rebutted? I'm not sure. I'm very gullible, and I definitely think it's playing a part.

Jamie: Yeah, the holding on to chicken was (is) a little strange, but I have had a townread most of the game otherwise. As long as he does actually toss it today, he should be in the clear.

Bozo: It was up and down and up with him. The renewed confidence he has had after the guaccing has restored my faith in him. But the fact the it comes after being "cleared" is a little worrying. Why was he more timid before?

kgray: This is only a Townread because I townread BB. I always townread BB, take this with a grain of salt.