M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

[Vecna]

They can only be 3P under very specific circumstances (gun + ghug holding brown rice or ghug taking brown rice from Bona), so that would be the most likely outcome if theyre not town.

[damo666]

@Vecna please get off food

@snowy I want to know what you think of the plan

All players are welcome to self vote

Plan's okay, from a pure probabilistic point of view. I think it doesn't account for reads at all, which is somewhat silly on D5.

My personal proposition is that we are in fact unlikely to be in a circumstance where literally the scum team threw the chicken and Pico at Vecna, and they're one correct guess of winning tonight.

Which means we have more time to figure out 3P without missing, and therefore the usage (or lack thereof) of Hot Salsa will much better inform our decision tomorrow.

I do not believe foodcoats nor Vecna to be 3P or mafia.

This all being said, I don't want to "commit" to a plan quite so early, as it limits player initiative and dulls the information we can gain from their arguments and proposals.

If you think neither Vecna nor Food are scum of any kind then who is third man with Maniac and Jamie?

If Bozo is 3p he is nowhere near winning so not an issue. Who else? Brian? If scum is Maniac Brian then Jamie prob 3p. I don't like killing Jamie today jic Vecna is 3p.

[Vecna]

beetlejuiced the hell outta that one

[TheMadMonarch]

im actually getting concerned that macca has seemingly no opinion on anything anymore this game and is just trying to sheep me.

Vastly vastly different from the effort their last 2 towngames had.

We shouldve pooked that bear when we had its honey

I literally sheeped bozo against you (almost; then bozo dropped it).

This seems like my usual town game, pretty bad. The one (1) game I did well, remember, was full of only low-posters, and I had free time. Such a fluke, it's not even worth remembering (also I lost it for everyone, so....).

[Vecna]

@Vecna please get off food

@snowy I want to know what you think of the plan

All players are welcome to self vote

Plan's okay, from a pure probabilistic point of view. I think it doesn't account for reads at all, which is somewhat silly on D5.

My personal proposition is that we are in fact unlikely to be in a circumstance where literally the scum team threw the chicken and Pico at Vecna, and they're one correct guess of winning tonight.

Which means we have more time to figure out 3P without missing, and therefore the usage (or lack thereof) of Hot Salsa will much better inform our decision tomorrow.

I do not believe foodcoats nor Vecna to be 3P or mafia.

This all being said, I don't want to "commit" to a plan quite so early, as it limits player initiative and dulls the information we can gain from their arguments and proposals.

If you think neither Vecna nor Food are scum of any kind then who is third man with Maniac and Jamie?

If Bozo is 3p he is nowhere near winning so not an issue. Who else? Brian? If scum is Maniac Brian then Jamie prob 3p. I don't like killing Jamie today jic Vecna is 3p.

snowies firmly on jamiet + HB as scum, and Maniac as 3P.

Which is...definately a possibility. Just not the one im feeling the most.

[snowy801]

snowies firmly on jamiet + HB as scum, and Maniac as 3P.

Which is...definately a possibility. Just not the one im feeling the most.

My main point of the day, I suppose, is that while you or I or anyone's reads could be wrong about anything in particular (not by much, via PoE and mechanical semi-clears)... they all intersect in the same spot.

[snowy801]

Honestly I kind of want to hot potato you (Vecna) tomorrow, rather than my 3P candidates, in case I'm wrong. Better to have a clear than a possible confirm? Not sure, thinking about it.

[Vecna]

Anyways were approaching the 24h mark.

It is possible for jamiet to have a loaded gun right? Assuming the gun was indeed on scum to begin with

[Vecna]

Honestly I kind of want to hot potato you (Vecna) tomorrow, rather than my 3P candidates, in case I'm wrong. Better to have a clear than a possible confirm? Not sure, thinking about it.

ill strongly consider it

[snowy801]

Anyways were approaching the 24h mark.

It is possible for jamiet to have a loaded gun right? Assuming the gun was indeed on scum to begin with

That is my understanding, yes. As it looks like the gun was with scum, not 3P.

(incidentally, what do you think about my commute argument?)

[Hamilton Brian]

For curation purposes:

guac (cop x2) - rdrivera
white rice (doctor x2) - damo
pinto beans (role block x2) - Vecna
brown rice (faith healer x3) - Macca
cheese (fruit vendor) - Kgray
chicken (double vote x2) - Jamiet
corn salsa (tracker x2) - Hamilton Brian
hot salsa (hot potato x2) - snowy
lettuce (jack-of-all-trade) - Maniac
Sofritas - Bob
Queso (hammer) - Food

[Vecna]

Anyways were approaching the 24h mark.

It is possible for jamiet to have a loaded gun right? Assuming the gun was indeed on scum to begin with

That is my understanding, yes. As it looks like the gun was with scum, not 3P.

(incidentally, what do you think about my commute argument?)

sorry, what commute argument was that again? ive heard a few today

[snowy801]

1) In order for this to have happened the scum team would have to have confidence that ghug was in fact commuting, not BP or 3P, as the BP is not an auto-town clear and not as priority for day vig, and 3P is best kept alive to cause fear in town until later in the game.

The only way for this to have happened is that the item investigator N1 checked ghug and discovered it. In which case, why try to shoot the guy who can 100% save himself?

No, ghug was either watcher or napkin. I want to believe napkin, but reality says watcher.

[Vecna]

Also, for due consideration;

HB doesnt have a vote
Jamiet might have a secret vote extra still, to use at any time.

If HB is town after all, this means town has a 2 vote disparity today. The gunshot can only be used in the first 24h iirc, so that wont mess with things too much.

Be sure to incorporate that into any plan

[Jamiet99uk]

Anyways were approaching the 24h mark.

It is possible for jamiet to have a loaded gun right? Assuming the gun was indeed on scum to begin with

I confirm that I do not have any such thing.

[Jamiet99uk]

Also, for due consideration;

HB doesnt have a vote
Jamiet might have a secret vote extra still, to use at any time.

I promise that I do not have an active double-vote this phase.

[Jamiet99uk]

In any case, I am going to ##Vote No-Kill because I agree with Damo's plan.

To reassure you that I am not planning some kind of trick to slap a double-vote on the wrong wagon at the last moment, I am willing to promise to remain on No-Kill for the rest of the phase, if that's what people want me to do?

[Jamiet99uk]

(See, Snowy, I can be perfectly co-operative when other people are not being dicks)

[snowy801]

Jamiet, I haven't been a dick to you in like 48 hours. You just prefer to see things that way because it helps you. I'm just telling you it's not very effective.

(also damo: see what happens when you give people a plan too early? They stop having an agency, and then what are we supposed to gain from their posts?)

[Hamilton Brian]

Also, for due consideration;

HB doesnt have a vote
Jamiet might have a secret vote extra still, to use at any time.

If HB is town after all, this means town has a 2 vote disparity today. The gunshot can only be used in the first 24h iirc, so that wont mess with things too much.

Be sure to incorporate that into any plan

WHich makes the act of Maniac slapping me with that lettuce unfortunate. Necessary, I guess in the sense of what it reveals, but unfortunate. That vote margin is pretty thin.