M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

[bozotheclown]

Im even surprised he likely used it N2 because he normally plays for the endgame and rarely gets killed early. I guess the jamiet thing had him spooked.

Him not using it on N1 is a given id say.

If you are surprised he would use it N2, why is that the obvious conclusion?

Missing NK N2.

GF being roleblocked.

Ghug being shot D3

Me knowing im not the 3P.

Occam's razor

That would mean either the mafia sent me a message saying ghug is guilty the same night he was the NK target, or the 3P coincidentally sent that message the same night.

It would also mean either you, Maniac, or kgray received the gun from Bonatogether or Bonatogether had another 3P required item besides the commute.

[Vecna]

Yeah, or Celaph got the gun and scum took it off of him.

Technically Bona couldve also had the watcher or the napkins. Or any of the items claimed by me/lfischl/maniac. Even 3P couldve rando'd a non-3p item

[Vecna]

Another possibility that i do not feel is likely;

lfischl could still be 3P, with brainbomb doing some weird play on just claiming to have his item stolen.

That would require him to take the approach of not-visiting unless he had actually found an item that he needed and not even taking random guesses. possible if afraid of watchers/trackers I guess.

[Vecna]

Even being annoyed by snowy would not make brainbomb replace out after pulling off a great gambit like that though. And having people 3P clear him for it.

He'd be way up into the clouds.

Its just not what happened.

[Jamiet99uk]

Well, if we want to hunt for 3P we should DK Jamiet and only Snowy, Damo, Kgray and HB should be on the wagon, the rest self vote.

Keeping the chicken is not only sus as hell, but completely anti-town. Also, the only one that could be closer to a winning condition as 3-P is Jamiet.

Explain to me why this was anti-town and/or "sus" ?

I repeatedly hinted at giving my chicken away, and this had the desired effect because the 3P did not rob me. You should congratulate me on a successful strategy to thwart the 3P by misdirecting them over my item, rather than what you are actually doing. I made the right play and the chicken is not in 3P hands.

I cannot tell you who the 3P did try to rob because I am not the 3P.

[bozotheclown]

Yeah, or Celaph got the gun and scum took it off of him.

Technically Bona couldve also had the watcher or the napkins. Or any of the items claimed by me/lfischl/maniac. Even 3P couldve rando'd a non-3p item

Yes, but the watcher and mail items were also 3P required items, which results in the same situation as the commute as to whether celaph or ghug would claim them.

If the 3P randomly received a non-3P item from Bonatogether, that still means you or Maniac.

[Vecna]

Well, if we want to hunt for 3P we should DK Jamiet and only Snowy, Damo, Kgray and HB should be on the wagon, the rest self vote.

Keeping the chicken is not only sus as hell, but completely anti-town. Also, the only one that could be closer to a winning condition as 3-P is Jamiet.

Explain to me why this was anti-town and/or "sus" ?

I repeatedly hinted at giving my chicken away, and this had the desired effect because the 3P did not rob me. You should congratulate me on a successful strategy to thwart the 3P by misdirecting them over my item, rather than what you are actually doing. I made the right play and the chicken is not in 3P hands.

I cannot tell you who the 3P did try to rob because I am not the 3P.

I do find this pretty plausible Jamiet strategy. Whether town or scum. I do not buy him being 3P here.

Also note; I wouldve totally seen through that shit if I actually was the 3P and have robbed the chicken off of him a long time ago.

[Jamiet99uk]

The man be Triple P-ing. Which is like Triple H but more Chipotle.

Think about it. Where did bona's item go?

Hmm. Well it could have wound up with lfischl, or celaph who was then NK’d and went to scum.

What else?

lfischl is confirmed not 3P. celaph would have said, being town.

He's also obviously not town. It's difficult for me to describe my reads; every time it just seems poorly received (even if it's pretty accurate).

Also why I spent most of my time making up some mechanical sounding justification for why Jamiet is scum, when the real answer is "he real scummy"

Uh, I echo rdrivera on this one. Why did they silence town? Why did they throw the town with worst reads in the game the challenge?

Well look here.

Here is Snowy confirming that his arguments against me were fabrications. Fiction. In his own words, "made up".

I told you that Snowy was just making up bullshit and selling a false narrative about my actions and here is Snowy just brazenly admitting that that is what he was doing all along.

[Jamiet99uk]

Hey has anyone claimed Roleblock from last night?

The Hooker isn't x-shot right, so, did Mafia try to RB anyone?

[Vecna]

He's admitting he's trying to find reasons to convince us. That doesnt mean his own reasons for suspecting it are fake.

He's conf-town, so if somehow youre actually town, this is not really the best way to approach this.

[Jamiet99uk]

The man be Triple P-ing. Which is like Triple H but more Chipotle.

Think about it. Where did bona's item go?

It could have gone to Vecna (or Maniac), and if it is the item I think it is, it would allow Vecna to give away his RB item.

Oh you have the napkins!

Why didn't you say so, you dunce?

You think Bozo has the napkins?

So in this version of reality, Bozo sent himself a napkin message accusing Ghug of being scum, and then declared this in the thread, and then someone shot Ghug.

What motivation would town!bozo have for sending fake napkin messages to himself?

[Jamiet99uk]

He's admitting he's trying to find reasons to convince us. That doesnt mean his own reasons for suspecting it are fake.

He's conf-town, so if somehow youre actually town, this is not really the best way to approach this.

I just think it's really shitty play:

- I have a gut feeling X is scum.
- I have no actual case against X.
- I will make up a fake case against X and tell lies about them.

I do not think this is a nice way to play. I do not think it is pro-town.

[Jamiet99uk]

Why are you so certain?

I'm not, I'm just trying to figure out what you've got.

celaph having the gun explains why it was not used until N3, and I think ghug or celaph would have commuted N1 if they had it.

Ghug was shot on D3 not N3.

[Jamiet99uk]

Why the fuck did scum send you a message like that, and then proceed to shoot ghug? I'm so confused.

Oh well, questions for post-game.

Well you just alleged that Bozo sent the message to himself, so that makes even less sense.

[Vecna]

I think if you were actually town, you'd be more focussed on the part of where he's wrong

As opposed to the fact of how its -just unfair-

[Vecna]

wait, did maniac talk at all about the items he received from the hot salsa?

[Jamiet99uk]

Alright, we'll reconvene tomorrow and maybe explain to all the confused people wtf we've been talking about.

(Hint: all items are currently solvable)

I would like you to explain that, yes.

For now ##Vote Vecna

[Jamiet99uk]

I think if you were actually town, you'd be more focussed on the part of where he's wrong

As opposed to the fact of how its -just unfair-

I've already rebutted his arguments and shown then to be wrong and he has admitted he was making it all up. I can't "focus" on rebutting something Snowy has admitted is a gut instinct. His guts are wrong. He's been eating too much fast food. I'm not scum.

Meanwhile as I read up, apparently the townclears have decided that you need to be flipped, Vecna.

[Jamiet99uk]

Why are you so certain?

I'm not, I'm just trying to figure out what you've got.

Sounds like it must be either the napkins or the BP from this reasoning if im not forgetting about an item.

Which especially begs the question why he was either lying about receiving a message when Ghug died, or why he has not been trying to get put in the spotlight of scum and eat a few NK's....

Yeah again, I'm baffled by a scenario in which Bozo has the napkins and writes himself a message accusing Ghug.

Is Bozo so lonely and without friends that he needs to be his own pen pal?

[damo666]

Damo and snowy, what was the reasoning of these immediate votes on Maniac?

The man be Triple P-ing. Which is like Triple H but more Chipotle.

Think about it. Where did bona's item go?

Hmm. Well it could have wound up with lfischl, or celaph who was then NK’d and went to scum.

What else?

Or ghug and thence to Steak