M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

[snowy801]

Well, let me sleep on your proposal.
Good night, bozo. Thanks for the final info pieces.

[bozotheclown]

On D2 Vecna was on Jamie's wagon when it looked like he was going to be the DK, and after Jamie claimed his 3P item. Vecna neve brought up the risk of the 3P getting the item, something I would expect him to be concerned about. At EOD, when the momentum was moving to Kakarroto, Vecna moved to Kakarroto without giving any reason to suspect him.

[snowy801]

(see none of this would've happened if you just god damned told me what your item is earlier)

[bozotheclown]

(see none of this would've happened if you just god damned told me what your item is earlier)

I wanted to see if anyone would reach the same conclusion independently and without the final bit of information.

[Hamilton Brian]

Sounds like it’s almost all wrapped up?

[snowy801]

Sounds like it’s almost all wrapped up?

Yeah. I think the logic is we vote

1) Vecna
2a) Maniac, if Vecna town
2b) Jamiet, if Vecna 3P
3/4) Maniac if alive/Hamilton Brian

Town cannot lose. We have too many people.

I hate to "miss", but in the face of guaranteed victory rejecting this plan seems like pure conceit.

I'll double check the logic and propose to execute.

[snowy801]

@bozo if scum have replenish and steak, why haven't I been murdered?

Did damo use it before giving it away? I forget if he did.

[snowy801]

Oh, never mind, stupid question. That would reveal Jamiet scum instantly.

Alright, we'll reconvene tomorrow and maybe explain to all the confused people wtf we've been talking about.

(Hint: all items are currently solvable)

Actually good night now.

[Vecna]

Im pretty sure the actual 3P was probably quite a bit more careful not to get any attention with his votes, either from town or scum.

Slamdunking scum 3/4 days is normally not a recipe to not attract nightkills. The only reason im still alive is because fucking snowy here keeps trying to steal my thunder.

You were not supposed to be on Tom's wagon, but I think you wanted to be in case he still had the mail item.

You twisted this around buddy, I didnt want to be on that wagon to prevent this, but Snowy wanted me on there to prevent the items from falling into 3P's hands

[Vecna]

This might be a nice little exercise for Bozo. Seeing how he's a prime candidate himself, lets see how convincing he can be.

Why do you think I am a prime candidate for the 3P?

Youre one of the few people that it can still be, youre refusing to claim your item so far, youre one of the few people that apparently has had any interaction with the messenger item, and youre still weirdly involved in the Ghug death somehow.

And I know youre gonna try to point at voting to somehow clear yourself, but youre also the mechanically inclined type of person that might realize how this game goes into the endgame, and that acquiring items becomes easier as the game progresses to an endstate. The fact youre only using D1-3 voting to try and catch the 3P just shows very shallow thinking imo. Youre once again just tunneling on a single candidate, and fitting shit to match that story.

[Vecna]

Why do you think I am a prime candidate for the 3P?

Bozo’s theory may not be all that out there regarding 3P!Vecna.

Only Vecna and damo have been on every wagon. When I played as the 3P/Thanos a while back in the infinity stones game, which worked on similar
principles, I was too cowardly to go on the wagons. Suffice to say I lost. In retrospect I realized as a “collector” 3P I needed to be brazen and get on the wagons. You just wont get there in time to beat town and scum otherwise.

I think if a smart, competent player drew Chaqa, they’d know they had to do this.

Damo has given away rice, though.

Do we know if Vecna had given away any Chaqa ingredients?

I agree this is the way the 3P would need to play, which is the main reason I suspect Vecna over Maniac for 3P, although I do think Maniac is probably mafia.

Youre acting like I didnt create the Bona wagon myself on D1 because I wanted him dead. D2 if I hadnt switched off of jamiet, he likely still wouldve died that day, and he had the chicken. When we were wagoning Tom B I initially agreed with whoever it was that only a select few should be on the wagon that were 3p cleared, and self-voted.

All the arguments you keep flinging are much better explained simply by "because im town, hunting for baddies"

[Vecna]

I am quite certain bonatogether had the steak / day kill.

Why are you so certain?

I'm not, I'm just trying to figure out what you've got.

Sounds like it must be either the napkins or the BP from this reasoning if im not forgetting about an item.

Which especially begs the question why he was either lying about receiving a message when Ghug died, or why he has not been trying to get put in the spotlight of scum and eat a few NK's....

[Vecna]

I'm not, I'm just trying to figure out what you've got.

I think it should be clear to you by now.

Well, yes. Enough of that, how do you feel about foodcoats' assertion that perhaps a Jamiet execution should take place, excluding Vecna on the wagon? Yea? Nea?

I dont care about being excluded, but there should be a bunch of others excluded as well.

I still think theres better picks for a 3P daykill, but for some reason everyone is just forgetting about Foodcoats.

[Vecna]

To point out what I was doing D3 EOD, I was trying to make Macca a viable DK after he declared his 3P item to see if the 3P would get on the wagon, and Vecna did get on the wagon when a Macca DK looked possible, but moved back to no-kill when it was obvious a Macca DK was not going to happen. There was no reason for Vecna to move back to no-kill there if he was really interested in a Macca DK, except for appearances.

Once again missing the obvious town reasoning behind it, or the fact I had announced way previous I was gonna do just that.

We still should have killed Macca that day.

The only faction that had no reason to play that way....is actually the 3P. Because it looks bad, but looks be damned.

[Vecna]

Also, the obvious logic about what happened is this;

Scum hit Commuting Ghug N2. Then shot him with the loaded gun D3 since they didnt wanna deal with him being all smug and towncleared and the like.

This is why TomB was sad for being caught for the wrong reasons, and tried to spin it in a different way as to them hitting the 3P.

This also completely invalidates Bozo's theory.

(and Snowy, the fact you were actually believing it is fucking cringe)

[bozotheclown]

Im pretty sure the actual 3P was probably quite a bit more careful not to get any attention with his votes, either from town or scum.

Slamdunking scum 3/4 days is normally not a recipe to not attract nightkills. The only reason im still alive is because fucking snowy here keeps trying to steal my thunder.

You were not supposed to be on Tom's wagon, but I think you wanted to be in case he still had the mail item.

You twisted this around buddy, I didnt want to be on that wagon to prevent this, but Snowy wanted me on there to prevent the items from falling into 3P's hands

OK, I did not think you were one of the players snowy asked to hammer because there were 9 players ending on the wagon instead of 7.

[bozotheclown]

Bozo’s theory may not be all that out there regarding 3P!Vecna.

Only Vecna and damo have been on every wagon. When I played as the 3P/Thanos a while back in the infinity stones game, which worked on similar
principles, I was too cowardly to go on the wagons. Suffice to say I lost. In retrospect I realized as a “collector” 3P I needed to be brazen and get on the wagons. You just wont get there in time to beat town and scum otherwise.

I think if a smart, competent player drew Chaqa, they’d know they had to do this.

Damo has given away rice, though.

Do we know if Vecna had given away any Chaqa ingredients?

I agree this is the way the 3P would need to play, which is the main reason I suspect Vecna over Maniac for 3P, although I do think Maniac is probably mafia.

Youre acting like I didnt create the Bona wagon myself on D1 because I wanted him dead. D2 if I hadnt switched off of jamiet, he likely still wouldve died that day, and he had the chicken. When we were wagoning Tom B I initially agreed with whoever it was that only a select few should be on the wagon that were 3p cleared, and self-voted.

All the arguments you keep flinging are much better explained simply by "because im town, hunting for baddies"

The momentum was moving to Kakarroto, I believe it would have happened with or without your vote.

[Vecna]

Also, I just cleared HamB of being the 3P with the hot salsa, which is the last thing id ever do if I was 3P in a pool of like 4-5 potential candidates.

[Vecna]

I agree this is the way the 3P would need to play, which is the main reason I suspect Vecna over Maniac for 3P, although I do think Maniac is probably mafia.

Youre acting like I didnt create the Bona wagon myself on D1 because I wanted him dead. D2 if I hadnt switched off of jamiet, he likely still wouldve died that day, and he had the chicken. When we were wagoning Tom B I initially agreed with whoever it was that only a select few should be on the wagon that were 3p cleared, and self-voted.

All the arguments you keep flinging are much better explained simply by "because im town, hunting for baddies"

The momentum was moving to Kakarroto, I believe it would have happened with or without your vote.

Hard to judge in hindsight. Youre probably right since it had some pretty big voices behind it and a Jamiet that had his hand twisted.

[bozotheclown]

Also, the obvious logic about what happened is this;

Scum hit Commuting Ghug N2. Then shot him with the loaded gun D3 since they didnt wanna deal with him being all smug and towncleared and the like.

This is why TomB was sad for being caught for the wrong reasons, and tried to spin it in a different way as to them hitting the 3P.

This also completely invalidates Bozo's theory.

(and Snowy, the fact you were actually believing it is fucking cringe)

That would require ghug to have not used the commute N1. If you think this is what happened, what do you think happened to Bonatogether's item?