M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

[Jamiet99uk]

##Unvote

I don't know what's going on at all

Operation Let's Be Nice to Jamiet Commencing

To summarize:

Yesterday, as we flipped Tom, he claimed HamB is 3P
As it was known I possessed hot potato, I passed it on to someone I trust not to be scum, Vecna (as it is not a 3P item, though I don't believe he is anyway)
Vecna applies Hot Potato to HamB
HamB's earlier starting item claim, Corn Salsa, comes tumbling out

Presumably, a mistake is made by the GM in the following way:
The item is meant to go to someone who was not on the day kill wagon the day prior (Maniac, Bozo)
Instead, this went to you. Chaqa the GM noticed, and corrected this error. Presumably, you did not receive this item, Maniac did, as he claimed.

A 3P would have at least a cheese, hence HamB is not 3P.
Vecna seems to believe he is not scum either, as TomB apparently tried to get him miskilled.

Would all of the items displaced from Hamilton go to the same person?

Not everyone has posted yet, have they?

Who got the Hot Potato after all this?

[foodcoats]

foodcoats I just want to say whaatever your alignment, you've been doing a banger of a job since yesterday. Keep it up!

Lol. Yeah sorry I was a waffle all game.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Jamie I'm waiting for you to tell me why you think the 3p hasn't stolen your chicken.

My best guess is because I repeatedly hinted that I might or might not have passed it off to someone else, so they went after targets they were more confident of.

That's the best I can suggest, because I am not the Third Party so I don't know their thought process, nor is it reasonable for you to expect me to know it.

[snowy801]

Would all of the items displaced from Hamilton go to the same person?

Not everyone has posted yet, have they?

Who got the Hot Potato after all this?

I don't actually know whether it would all end up in the same hands. Good question. Feel free to clarify with Chaqa (either one)

Vecna yet has the hot potato. I expect he'll move it by EoD.

[bozotheclown]

Assuming this little bit of speculation is accurate, why exactly would they be throwing to a 3P that has completely fucked them in every way imaginable?

It is also still possible that you are mafia and were bussing Tom.

Bozo, do you really believe this? What motivation would scum!Vecna have to come out of nowhere and claim he RBd the night killer and not just bus but instigate a mechanical case on a partner?

Also, this would mean they had to get the roleblock item from celaph or Bona, because scum can’t start with it. Is that really how scum uses the RB if they get their hands on it?

I think Vecna is the 3P and started with the RB item, but I do not think it impossible he is mafia and picked up the item.

[Jamiet99uk]

##CALL GM:

If someone is holding multiple items, and if the use of the Hot Potato Salsa causes a that person to drop all their items, do all of the displaced items go to the same recipient, or to different recipients, and if so, is this randomly determined or is there some pre-determined mechanism?

[Jamiet99uk]

@Vecna: Did you intend to use your Hot Potato power on me, and then change your mind at the last moment?

(This could explain the erroneous messages sent to me)

[bozotheclown]

Im pretty sure the actual 3P was probably quite a bit more careful not to get any attention with his votes, either from town or scum.

Slamdunking scum 3/4 days is normally not a recipe to not attract nightkills. The only reason im still alive is because fucking snowy here keeps trying to steal my thunder.

Or, it is because you can't be NKed.

[Jamiet99uk]

Vecna
snowy801 - Multiple kills and RB's eaten - Cleared off being 3P
damo666 - All the shit that has happened, item
Hamilton Brian - 3P cleared ~pretty much~. Highly unlikely scum due to TomB gimmick and no items present.
kgray - Track by HB n3, fruit vendor no 3P item

Bozotheclown - Copscan, 3P still possible
Macca573 (brown rice, town/scum)
rdrivera2005 (Guac, town only)

foodcoats (Queso, all alignments)
Jamiet99uk (Chicken, all alignments)
Maniac (Lettuce joat, all alignments)

Wait.

More confusion.

The Guacamole is the "Copscan" item.

Is Vecna correct in saying that Bozo has counter-claimed Rdrivera's claim to have been in possession of the Copscan item? I have just quickly looked up Rdrivera's iso and I cannot see any mention of him passing his item to Bozo.

This might be worth resolving today, if so.

[foodcoats]

Vecna
snowy801 - Multiple kills and RB's eaten - Cleared off being 3P
damo666 - All the shit that has happened, item
Hamilton Brian - 3P cleared ~pretty much~. Highly unlikely scum due to TomB gimmick and no items present.
kgray - Track by HB n3, fruit vendor no 3P item

Bozotheclown - Copscan, 3P still possible
Macca573 (brown rice, town/scum)
rdrivera2005 (Guac, town only)

foodcoats (Queso, all alignments)
Jamiet99uk (Chicken, all alignments)
Maniac (Lettuce joat, all alignments)

This reasoning about lfischl/brain/kgray is wrong.

After Kak the item copier died, the item cop has little to no or even negative value to scum, especially if we believe HB is town tracker. No benefit to knowing what items are compared to possibly being tracked.

And, lfischl was on the Bona wagon. It was suggested by someone else that Bona may have been the fruit vendor because he claimed he had not read the setup but said “lol what’s a fruit vendor” or whatever.

Therefore, lfischl/brain/kgray may have inherited cheese - also explaining why it wasn’t used, because Bona started with it - and they may be scum.

Kgray must remain the scum pool by my reckoning.

[snowy801]

Vecna
snowy801 - Multiple kills and RB's eaten - Cleared off being 3P
damo666 - All the shit that has happened, item
Hamilton Brian - 3P cleared ~pretty much~. Highly unlikely scum due to TomB gimmick and no items present.
kgray - Track by HB n3, fruit vendor no 3P item

Bozotheclown - Copscan, 3P still possible
Macca573 (brown rice, town/scum)
rdrivera2005 (Guac, town only)

foodcoats (Queso, all alignments)
Jamiet99uk (Chicken, all alignments)
Maniac (Lettuce joat, all alignments)

Wait.

More confusion.

The Guacamole is the "Copscan" item.

Is Vecna correct in saying that Bozo has counter-claimed Rdrivera's claim to have been in possession of the Copscan item? I have just quickly looked up Rdrivera's iso and I cannot see any mention of him passing his item to Bozo.

This might be worth resolving today, if so.

rdrivera has mentioned that he passed the item to damo, who scanned bozo.

[foodcoats]

It is also still possible that you are mafia and were bussing Tom.

Bozo, do you really believe this? What motivation would scum!Vecna have to come out of nowhere and claim he RBd the night killer and not just bus but instigate a mechanical case on a partner?

Also, this would mean they had to get the roleblock item from celaph or Bona, because scum can’t start with it. Is that really how scum uses the RB if they get their hands on it?

I think Vecna is the 3P and started with the RB item, but I do not think it impossible he is mafia and picked up the item.

This post seems really scummy. Sure, it’s not impossible. It’s not impossible rdr is scum, either. But we need to focus on the reasoning that will get us the next scum kill or 3P. Need to focus on the most likely scenario. Get em one at a time to get more info.

At this stage in the game it strikes me as bizarro that bozo is just throwing shade. That’s D1 stuff.

##VOTE bozo

[foodcoats]

Argh bozo was cop scanned. I forgot that.

Hmm.

He really strikes me as scummy and not… three-pee-ee.

##UNVOTE

Just not sure now.

[snowy801]

Bozo, do you really believe this? What motivation would scum!Vecna have to come out of nowhere and claim he RBd the night killer and not just bus but instigate a mechanical case on a partner?

Also, this would mean they had to get the roleblock item from celaph or Bona, because scum can’t start with it. Is that really how scum uses the RB if they get their hands on it?

I think Vecna is the 3P and started with the RB item, but I do not think it impossible he is mafia and picked up the item.

This post seems really scummy. Sure, it’s not impossible. It’s not impossible rdr is scum, either. But we need to focus on the reasoning that will get us the next scum kill or 3P. Need to focus on the most likely scenario. Get em one at a time to get more info.

At this stage in the game it strikes me as bizarro that bozo is just throwing shade. That’s D1 stuff.

##VOTE bozo

Are you voting bozo because you believe he is scum, or 3P?

If the former, bozo was not!scum cleared by cop scan.

[Jamiet99uk]

Vecna
snowy801 - Multiple kills and RB's eaten - Cleared off being 3P
damo666 - All the shit that has happened, item
Hamilton Brian - 3P cleared ~pretty much~. Highly unlikely scum due to TomB gimmick and no items present.
kgray - Track by HB n3, fruit vendor no 3P item

Bozotheclown - Copscan, 3P still possible
Macca573 (brown rice, town/scum)
rdrivera2005 (Guac, town only)

foodcoats (Queso, all alignments)
Jamiet99uk (Chicken, all alignments)
Maniac (Lettuce joat, all alignments)

Wait.

More confusion.

The Guacamole is the "Copscan" item.

Is Vecna correct in saying that Bozo has counter-claimed Rdrivera's claim to have been in possession of the Copscan item? I have just quickly looked up Rdrivera's iso and I cannot see any mention of him passing his item to Bozo.

This might be worth resolving today, if so.

rdrivera has mentioned that he passed the item to damo, who scanned bozo.

So.... why is Vecna claiming that Bozo has that item?

[snowy801]

Wait.

More confusion.

The Guacamole is the "Copscan" item.

Is Vecna correct in saying that Bozo has counter-claimed Rdrivera's claim to have been in possession of the Copscan item? I have just quickly looked up Rdrivera's iso and I cannot see any mention of him passing his item to Bozo.

This might be worth resolving today, if so.

rdrivera has mentioned that he passed the item to damo, who scanned bozo.

So.... why is Vecna claiming that Bozo has that item?

No, Vecna is saying he was scanned by the item, and came out negative (as in town, or 3P immunity)

[foodcoats]

Wait.

More confusion.

The Guacamole is the "Copscan" item.

Is Vecna correct in saying that Bozo has counter-claimed Rdrivera's claim to have been in possession of the Copscan item? I have just quickly looked up Rdrivera's iso and I cannot see any mention of him passing his item to Bozo.

This might be worth resolving today, if so.

rdrivera has mentioned that he passed the item to damo, who scanned bozo.

So.... why is Vecna claiming that Bozo has that item?

He is just saying he WAS copscanned.

[bozotheclown]

Vecna
snowy801 - Multiple kills and RB's eaten - Cleared off being 3P
damo666 - All the shit that has happened, item
Hamilton Brian - 3P cleared ~pretty much~. Highly unlikely scum due to TomB gimmick and no items present.
kgray - Track by HB n3, fruit vendor no 3P item

Bozotheclown - Copscan, 3P still possible
Macca573 (brown rice, town/scum)
rdrivera2005 (Guac, town only)

foodcoats (Queso, all alignments)
Jamiet99uk (Chicken, all alignments)
Maniac (Lettuce joat, all alignments)

This reasoning about lfischl/brain/kgray is wrong.

After Kak the item copier died, the item cop has little to no or even negative value to scum, especially if we believe HB is town tracker. No benefit to knowing what items are compared to possibly being tracked.

And, lfischl was on the Bona wagon. It was suggested by someone else that Bona may have been the fruit vendor because he claimed he had not read the setup but said “lol what’s a fruit vendor” or whatever.

Therefore, lfischl/brain/kgray may have inherited cheese - also explaining why it wasn’t used, because Bona started with it - and they may be scum.

Kgray must remain the scum pool by my reckoning.

The mafia can also start with that item. lfischl never posted at night, it is believable that he did not use the item, regardless of his alignment.

[Jamiet99uk]

No, Vecna is saying he was scanned by the item, and came out negative (as in town, or 3P immunity)

Ah, I see, thank you very much, Snowy, you've been most helpful. I like this new leaf that you have turned over.

I think I understand now but am waiting for some GM responses.

Do you still think that Maniac is the Third Party?

In any case, I really need to go to sleep.

Laters.

[foodcoats]

Vecna
snowy801 - Multiple kills and RB's eaten - Cleared off being 3P
damo666 - All the shit that has happened, item
Hamilton Brian - 3P cleared ~pretty much~. Highly unlikely scum due to TomB gimmick and no items present.
kgray - Track by HB n3, fruit vendor no 3P item

Bozotheclown - Copscan, 3P still possible
Macca573 (brown rice, town/scum)
rdrivera2005 (Guac, town only)

foodcoats (Queso, all alignments)
Jamiet99uk (Chicken, all alignments)
Maniac (Lettuce joat, all alignments)

This reasoning about lfischl/brain/kgray is wrong.

After Kak the item copier died, the item cop has little to no or even negative value to scum, especially if we believe HB is town tracker. No benefit to knowing what items are compared to possibly being tracked.

And, lfischl was on the Bona wagon. It was suggested by someone else that Bona may have been the fruit vendor because he claimed he had not read the setup but said “lol what’s a fruit vendor” or whatever.

Therefore, lfischl/brain/kgray may have inherited cheese - also explaining why it wasn’t used, because Bona started with it - and they may be scum.

Kgray must remain the scum pool by my reckoning.

The mafia can also start with that item. lfischl never posted at night, it is believable that he did not use the item, regardless of his alignment.

Okay my bad, but it doesn’t change the fact that

Kgray is not clear for being tracked N3. She could be item cop.