M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

[Vecna]

##CALL GM
Can the spinach challenge be triggered at any point in the phase?

##GM note:
I’m going to rule that spinach must be used in the first 24 hours. This wasn’t explicit but logically flows with other items, as well as to prevent an un-fun game state if a gladiator challenge is ever used in the last few minutes of the phase.

Ok. I was asleep by this point, and I'm pretty annoyed about it. There was no way I had to expect this. I have asked the GM if I can use it immediately, but either way I am mad.

Yeah.....after the last few games with town macca, this just doesnt sit right with me. Especially after the earlier weird posts that also didnt strike me as town, this just feels like fake outrage to try and get away with this stunt.

##vote Macca

[Vecna]

Well I'm pretty pissed, so I expect not to be productive for some time.

1) Macca, items, and sent it elsewhere. You are dying today
2) Everyone else, please do not vote until they do, as a majority vote under challenge hammers the day

They cannot send their items, this happens after the daykill

[damo666]

Let's just have rdr, damo and vecna on Ton's wagon and everyone else unvote. If they are telling the truth then rdr and damo cant't be mafia or 3P and vecna can't be mafia and unlikely 3P as he is unlikely to be roleblocker AND mailman (assuming mailman is 3P)

We need at least 6 to be safe

6 - negated vote = 5

3 scum + extra vote = 4

(I don't think Jamie is scum but this is just to he sure)

too late now, but why would the entire scumteam wanna vote, out themselves, on day3? Seems like an argument to get more votes on that wagon when this was still a potential outcome.

Being over cautious. And as spinach in play the zero vote isn't. I think Jamie should be forced to be a Tom voter 2m if he is still with us.

[Vecna]

Reading the last few pages, can confirm I was roleblocked - so what Vecna is implying is accurate (and I understand the rationale of the votes).

Vecna, was there a specific reason you decided to block WorTom N2? No mention of them during N2. Approached them over D2 with considering a possibility of 1 or 2 mafia among kak/worcej and someone else. You had some suspicion it seemed.

Yeah, with the kakarotto flip he just rose to the top of my suspicions.

I need to stop ignoring my initial D1 gutreads. They are so sexy.

[damo666]

@snowy, if it looks like no kill is gonna win perhaps it will be advantageous to you to be off wagon if you have acted in time.

[damo666]

Reading the last few pages, can confirm I was roleblocked - so what Vecna is implying is accurate (and I understand the rationale of the votes).

Vecna, was there a specific reason you decided to block WorTom N2? No mention of them during N2. Approached them over D2 with considering a possibility of 1 or 2 mafia among kak/worcej and someone else. You had some suspicion it seemed.

Yeah, with the kakarotto flip he just rose to the top of my suspicions.

I need to stop ignoring my initial D1 gutreads. They are so sexy.

Who do you think are Tom's 2 teammates? Who is 3p?

[Vecna]

##vote no kill

Macca has been obv!Town for sometime and this just has to be a town motivated move; albeit a highly questionable one.

Mafia would risk sacrificing one of their own just to delay their scum buddy’s death by a day. They know if Tom is scum he will give his items to another scum player.

I think snowy is town too so I have to vote no kill. It is the least worst option right now. Let’s just vote no kill and limit the damage.

?????

Obv-town?

what?

where?

[Jamiet99uk]

What's occurring?

I'm not caught up since about page 131.

Why are people voting no-kill?

[Jamiet99uk]

##GM Note: the Spinach has been activated.

Today, the vote is between Macca573 and Snowy801.

All votes are considered reset.

(I’ve given a little flexibility on activation time due to time zones)

Ah, I see.

[damo666]

It could also be possible that ghug was the NK, and failing that scum double tapped him to be sure.

We have not had a save claim emerge yet, and though lfischl and Vecna have not posted yet... I suppose Vecna's a decent shot at a doc save.

Not sure if its figured out by now, but I wasnt the NK.

Also the first assumption makes no sense. No way scum set up some elaborate backup plan with a message in case their NK fails. Thats far too much magical fairy land theory.

But then again, it might somehow involve this whole Macca nonsense. Im really curious now what these next 15-20 pages have for juicy drama lol, even knowing the outcome.

How do you know you were not the NK target?

[Vecna]

I missed Maniac, he is also a good 3P candidate. lfischl voted for Jamie for self preservation, and was actively involved in starting an alternate wagon, so I think Vecna and Maniac are the most likely 3P candidates. My guess is Vecna, since he did not seem concerned about Jamie's item going to the 3P D2.

[Jamiet99uk]

##Unvote

[Vecna]

oh dear thats... bad
thats remarkably convenient
why did rdr not scan a scumread of his?
why would scum rdr pretend to not have put through a scan last night?
so that he has an excuse to stay alive longer?
is rdr just 3p here?
does 3p rdr do random junk like this that looks bad?

Yeah, im mainly surprised at Rdr feeling the need to scan Celaph N1. Especially since he was so obviously town already during the day and a likely NK candidate....

You think scum rdr would unnecessarily claim gambling no cop to cc?

im not concluding anything, just stating my surprise of poor usage. Not an attribute you'd normally ascribe to rdr

[damo666]

Current scores

No kill 4
Macca 2
Snowy 1

[Vecna]

It could also be possible that ghug was the NK, and failing that scum double tapped him to be sure.

We have not had a save claim emerge yet, and though lfischl and Vecna have not posted yet... I suppose Vecna's a decent shot at a doc save.

Not sure if its figured out by now, but I wasnt the NK.

Also the first assumption makes no sense. No way scum set up some elaborate backup plan with a message in case their NK fails. Thats far too much magical fairy land theory.

But then again, it might somehow involve this whole Macca nonsense. Im really curious now what these next 15-20 pages have for juicy drama lol, even knowing the outcome.

How do you know you were not the NK target?

Because im not dead and I didnt receive notification I was saved?

[damo666]

Not sure if its figured out by now, but I wasnt the NK.

Also the first assumption makes no sense. No way scum set up some elaborate backup plan with a message in case their NK fails. Thats far too much magical fairy land theory.

But then again, it might somehow involve this whole Macca nonsense. Im really curious now what these next 15-20 pages have for juicy drama lol, even knowing the outcome.

How do you know you were not the NK target?

Because im not dead and I didnt receive notification I was saved?

If Tom were RBd killer you could have been target.

If you are 3p you could have been target.

If the killer was commuted you may have been the target.

[BobMcBob]

@macca please explain your thought process behind using the spinach
what was it that made you decide to actually use the spinach, and to use it on snowy?

[damo666]

@macca please explain your thought process behind using the spinach
what was it that made you decide to actually use the spinach, and to use it on snowy?

I bet this goes unanswered

[Vecna]

Vecna, was there a specific reason you decided to block WorTom N2? No mention of them during N2. Approached them over D2 with considering a possibility of 1 or 2 mafia among kak/worcej and someone else. You had some suspicion it seemed.

Yeah, with the kakarotto flip he just rose to the top of my suspicions.

I need to stop ignoring my initial D1 gutreads. They are so sexy.

Who do you think are Tom's 2 teammates? Who is 3p?

Have a few scenario's running through my head

Macca + Maniac? That defense of maniac calling Macca obv-town really didnt fall right with me. Nothing Macca has done the entire game has been towny. The weird message/gun thing also feels like the type of shit crazy ass Maniac could orchestrate. Besides that, ive mostly been townreading Maniac.

Jamiet + lfischl: Moderately far-fetched and probably not what happened. But, jamiet did seem very eased at the end of D2. Lfischl hasnt blasted at anyone being scum for voting/wagoning him (he normally is very spicy when voted).

Combination thinking is probably a bad approach anyway. Not feeling HB at all yet this game. Still thinking Foodcoats is dodgy as hell.

For 3P; no strong indications. I dislike that Bozo is focussed on it a lot, and he uses a lot of bad reasoning to point to people being 3P. Given the missing thefts it increases the odds of it being a roleblocked person slightly, but I dont have the feeling its you or snowy.

[Vecna]

To expand on the jamiet/lfischl thing: Jamiet didnt have a lot of reason to fight hard to get the alternative wagons killed, if the only valid alternatives offered with his teammates (Worcej/kakka). Lfischl wouldnt mind getting wagoned over jamiet if theyre both scum.

Its too easy a fit, but there -could- be something there.