M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

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Re: M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

#1141 Post by Jamiet99uk » Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:15 am

damo666 wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:40 am
Vecna wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:29 am
damo666 wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:11 am

The only scum roleblock is JOAT. Would JOAT RB N1???

The other RB is town/3p only.

I WAS ROLEBLOCKED.

Something is rotten.

@ghug your commentary is required asap
More claimed roleblocks on dodgy people. That means at least one of them was done by scum.
So assuming ghug is not lying we cannot both be mafia. At worst 3p + maf (though not as I am town).

Anyway this is important

Ghug and I cannot both be mafia.
Unless one (or both) of you is lying.

Ghug has already been seen lying once.
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Re: M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

#1142 Post by BobMcBob » Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:17 am

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:13 am
BobMcBob wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:34 am
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:10 am
Why do people keep purporting that I am "angry"?

Disagreeing with people, finding them scummy, disliking how they play, etc - these are all simply normal things that happen when we play this crazy old game. I'm not "angry" with Ghug or Bozo or anyone else, and I'm not sure why that's being suggested.
i can find nobody suggesting jamie was angry
i can find me suggesting multiple times that ghug was angry
jamie why do you get the impression people are suggesting you are angry?
You said it!

You said:
BobMcBob wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 1:07 am
worcej! rdr! vecna! damo!
you have more experience with ghug and jamie than i do
would you say the dynamic between them is unusually exaggerated, or are they normally this angry about next to nothing?
does anything strike you as off about it?
The use of "they" in the plural implies you think we were both angry.

Or have I misunderstood your post?
i suppose that does actually imply both
that was primarily in reference to ghug though tbh
but i can see where you got it from at least
except nobody "kept" purporting that you were angry

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#1143 Post by Jamiet99uk » Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:20 am

Vecna wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:46 am
damo666 wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:40 am
I invite my blocker to claim and explain why.
This is quite a lot of information to unpack in such a simple sentence.

It implies:
-That you inherently think you were blocked by the item as opposed to the hooker. Why?
-That you somehow think its a good idea for an item to claim. Why? Why is it so important to know who was it and why they did it?

Posturing because the RB on this slot is potentially faked?

Confusion abound
These are good questions, actually.
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#1144 Post by Jamiet99uk » Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:21 am

Vecna wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:50 am
Im also making note that Jamiet actually never followed up on, or got annoyed by Snowy repeatedly claiming he was going to answer the -questions-, but then never did.
I went to sleep.

I'm allowed to sleep.

Snowy has not posted much since then as far as I can see.

I will be irritated if he does not do as he promised by the end of the phase. (But I won't get angry).
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#1145 Post by BobMcBob » Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:22 am

you know what, im gonna shift my vote to damo for now
##vote damo

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#1146 Post by Jamiet99uk » Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:23 am

BobMcBob wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:11 am
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:10 am
I think Damo looks very town.
why do you think that?
Mostly meta, I've played with him a lot.

But his request for item claims is turning me off.
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#1147 Post by Jamiet99uk » Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:25 am

BobMcBob wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:17 am

i suppose that does actually imply both
that was primarily in reference to ghug though tbh
but i can see where you got it from at least
except nobody "kept" purporting that you were angry
Ok, so maybe I over-emphasised it. I'll drop this point.
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#1148 Post by BobMcBob » Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:26 am

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:23 am
BobMcBob wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:11 am
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:10 am
I think Damo looks very town.
why do you think that?
Mostly meta, I've played with him a lot.

But his request for item claims is turning me off.
what does town damo normally do that you are seeing here?

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#1149 Post by Jamiet99uk » Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:27 am

BobMcBob wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:26 am
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:23 am
BobMcBob wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:11 am

why do you think that?
Mostly meta, I've played with him a lot.

But his request for item claims is turning me off.
what does town damo normally do that you are seeing here?
He does a lot of thinking aloud-style scenario analysis, for instance.

I could be wrong. I've been wrong about Damo in the past.

Do you still agree with me that Bozo is likely scum?
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#1150 Post by BobMcBob » Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:31 am

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:27 am
BobMcBob wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:26 am
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:23 am


Mostly meta, I've played with him a lot.

But his request for item claims is turning me off.
what does town damo normally do that you are seeing here?
He does a lot of thinking aloud-style scenario analysis, for instance.

I could be wrong. I've been wrong about Damo in the past.

Do you still agree with me that Bozo is likely scum?
there are a couple of places id rather be, but i still think hes reasonably likely to be scum

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#1151 Post by Maniac » Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:34 am

Can I make a request that any town player that is about to be DK'd tell us what items they started with and what has happened to them during the game. It can really help with POE later on.
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#1152 Post by Maniac » Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:35 am

Also I have a theory about Bona item, Should I share that?
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#1153 Post by Jamiet99uk » Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:37 am

Maniac wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:35 am
Also I have a theory about Bona item, Should I share that?
Do you mean you think you know which item it was, or do you mean you think you know where it went?

(Or both?)
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#1154 Post by BobMcBob » Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:37 am

Maniac wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:35 am
Also I have a theory about Bona item, Should I share that?
depends what it is i guess
does it seem like the knowledge could be harmful in the wrong hands?

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#1155 Post by Maniac » Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:59 am

I don't think my guessing Bona's item is helpful to mafia, maybe it's useful to 3P as they will be trying to eliminate possible items to help them narrow down their guessing.

Actually, maybe people shouldn't claim their items when they are certain to be killed.

Discuss?
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#1156 Post by BobMcBob » Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:09 am

Maniac wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:59 am
I don't think my guessing Bona's item is helpful to mafia, maybe it's useful to 3P as they will be trying to eliminate possible items to help them narrow down their guessing.

Actually, maybe people shouldn't claim their items when they are certain to be killed.

Discuss?
i think narrowing it down for chaqa is unwise without significant benefit to us
if we dont get them to claim, we have to treat all late game item claims with suspicion
otherwise mafia can use it as a last ditch gambit to save themselves and everybody will just sit there like "this is fine, definitely a legit claim" and they can just get away with it
in fact, we need to treat them with suspicion regardless because we dont know the items of people who die at night
note this down for the endgame folks
do not trust "townclearing" item claims in the endgame simply because they are town aligned items

(definitely not still annoyed about champs)
so honestly im not sure how much benefit there is to deathclaiming your item, except maybe if you have an item that cannot belong to mafia and can be confirmed that you hold it
although i doubt there are many of those tbh

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#1157 Post by Jamiet99uk » Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:14 am

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:37 am
Maniac wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:35 am
Also I have a theory about Bona item, Should I share that?
Do you mean you think you know which item it was, or do you mean you think you know where it went?

(Or both?)
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#1158 Post by damo666 » Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:20 am

BobMcBob wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:10 am
damo666 wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:04 am
BobMcBob wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:59 am


how would the roleblock item claiming better explain why you and ghug cannot both be mafia?
It doesn't need a claim.

One of the roleblocker is scum so both roleblock targets cannot be scum. Unless ghug is lying. Then it is possible (but in fact is not).
so why did you say "the person who roleblocked me should claim and explain why"?
what extra certainty does that give?
otherwise surely thered be no reason to ask them to claim?
and why is it in fact not possible ghug is lying?
I didn't say 'should' I invited. I have explained why. Yes, ghug could be lying (though I doubt).
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#1159 Post by damo666 » Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:23 am

BobMcBob wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:22 am
you know what, im gonna shift my vote to damo for now
##vote damo
mistake
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Re: M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

#1160 Post by snowy801 » Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:35 am

BobMcBob wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 6:46 am
i think it should be noted at this point, because currently i am the only one with access to this information, that macca is in fact spending time working on an assignments (something i have thoroughly neglected thus far

it is wholly out of character, but they were being honest
This is hilarious

@Vecna I now think Brian is solidly town

I don't buy this ghug-Jamiet scum theatre theory. I think either or I guess (unlikely) even both mat be, but the idea that the two have revealed themselves somehow in their waging conflict... I can't see it, not even a little bit

@Maniac I think it's fine to reveal, unless it's an item mechanic that also reveals your own item (TMI at that point I think). If it's just theory, it's not like you know for sure

There were a couple other things but it slipped my mind. Alas, poor Snowy
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