M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

[worcej]

Some thoughts on recent topics:

Bozo - playing his usual game, I think the attacks on him are unjustified. Probably by misguided town rather than malicious scum.

Ghug/Jamie theatrics. No it wasn't.

Jamie being 'off'. Just him working away from home I think.

Lurkers - deffo some scum there.

I disagree with half of this.

The first 2?

I believe you know which 2.

[BobMcBob]

ah well, im out for the night
if i do die, you should at least have enough of my thoughts to go off

[foodcoats]

Because you're just asking for a readlist and ranking exercise to poke holes at instead of just asking questions at people directly. Also, these lists are mostly used by low-effort people, which we shouldn't simply support, to copy and not make genuine reads.

I put my effort into focusing on the people I actually think are scum and people who are showing town behaviors. There is a list of nulls, like HB, Kakk, fisch, and food, that are irrelevant to list in an order. Otherwise, I was pretty explicit on others where I stand.

@Worcej: You call Foodcoats a null. Bozo had Foodcoats as his #2 scumread. What do you make of that?

I have zero understanding why bozo has food as a scumread, so I cannot comment there.

For me, I think food is posting at a lurker level (not entirely uncommon for him) and I could follow his maniac voting and his town reads on certain players, notably snowy now, make sense to me. He's null because it's not as committal into the game as I'd like to see yet.

I haven’t townread snowy, FWIW.

[rdrivera2005]

lets see, questions, to kill time...
snowy and bozo, what are your thoughts on ghug?
(bozo assume i have a gun to your head and am forcing you to choose okay?)
rdrivera, who are you? just give me some general thoughts about the game i guess, maybe some reads
ghug, why were you so dissatisfied with the wagons toward the end of the day?
also how do you feel about jamie right now?
jamie, how do you feel about ghug? also how much of an effort would you say you are making to be nice?
worcej, why were you death tunneling bozo so hard from the soonest possible opportunity?
bozo, do you still think a massclaim would be good at some later point? theoretically when and why?
food, give me some reads
same goes for everyone else who doesnt have a decent amount of reads yet
vecna and celaph are cool, we can chill in cool land together
also once again, please give me something to work with macca and lfischl

I gave some scum reads closer to EOD1. Nothing changed much from there other then Bona being town obviously. It´s h hard to have town reads this game, I just don´t feel anyone is obviously town.

I didn´t like the bandwagoning of Bona and can see at least our 3P joining it last minute to have a shot at an item. This point to Ghug, Celaph and Maniac. Ghug behaviour at EOD was pretty weird.

And I have yet to read most of the night posts.

[snowy801]

ah well, im out for the night
if i do die, you should at least have enough of my thoughts to go off

They say he passed away peacefully in the night of natural causes/suicide whichever you believe more.

[ghug]

@ghug do you deliberately play sub optimally as town on day 1 in order to avoid being the N1 kill?

That's not the primary reason.

If I were scum I'd kill you.

[ghug]

I got post 777.

oh yeah, guess who got post 666?

(spoiler alert, it wasnt me

)

[ghug]

@Bob shall we kill Snowy 2m?

Oh I forgot about snowy maybe I'd kill him.

[ghug]

It would cause confusion. Confusion is good for scum.

Good answer. Town points.

The Vecna suggestion is weak however. A likely docsave target and therefore a poor choice from scum pov.

HOWEVER, Vecna asked for a docsave which pinged me as possibly suss.

Why is it possibly sus, and on what is the possibly conditional?

Dislike this post.

[snowy801]

@Bob shall we kill Snowy 2m?

Oh I forgot about snowy maybe I'd kill him.

No you wouldn't you love me

[ghug]

Code: Select all

Name		Alternative Name	Town	Mafia	3P
Black Beans	Commute (2)		x		
Guac		Cop (2)			x		
White Rice	Doctor (2)		x		
Pinto Beans	Roleblocker (2)		x		x
Sofritas	Friendly Neighbor (2)	x		x
Steak		Day Kill (1)		x		x
Brown Rice	Faith Healer (3)	x	x	
Cheese		Fruit Vendor		x	x	
Chips		Replenisher (2)		x	x	
Pico de Gallo	Watcher (2)		x	x	
Chicken		Double Vote (2)		x	x	x
Corn Salsa	Tracker (2)		x	x	x
Hot Salsa	Hot Potato (2)		x	x	x
Lettuce		Jack-of-All-Trades	x	x	x
Napkins		Mailman			x	x	x
Queso		Day Hammer		x	x	x
Tortilla	Bulletproof (2)		x	x	x

Well the preview looks good, hope it stays that way in reality.
Here's a list of all the items and their possible spawn factions.

I mainly ask the item thing so I can throw my item around. It doesn't seem overtly harmful if I'm the only one doing it, but I guess I'll take some time to think about it before doing anything I can't take back.

If it's a bad idea for everyone to do it, you shouldn't do it assuming you'll be alone. It's like hanging out indoors unvaccinated.

[ghug]

Taking Chipotle burrito bowl build recommendations

chicken

You disgust me.

[rdrivera2005]

I propose a new Bozo style game.

Answer the following: If I were scum who would I NK tonight?

I'll kick off.

If I were scum I would NK Bob.

i was actually thinking this might have a realistic chance of happening for the first time
i would probably nk vecna

I would probably NK Snowy.

[snowy801]

Guys stop. This is not nice. This is the opposite of nice.

[ghug]

@Bob shall we kill Snowy 2m?

Oh I forgot about snowy maybe I'd kill him.

No you wouldn't you love me

There'll be rabbits, Lennie.

[rdrivera2005]

Macca , kak, lfischl, rdr

Why are you posting so little?

Because I missed game start and had a busy day yesterday. And today I don´t see reson to post much at night and I am still busy. And will probably be busy until Sunday if I don´t get NKed (or DKed) before it.

[foodcoats]

Bona wagon

—Vecna seems okay here. “PLAYER X seems weird/offmeta” is a typical day 1 miskill by town and Vec seemed consistent in applying this approach.
—Bob seems okay too… AT FIRST. He seemed much more sus of snowy but consistently was pinged by Bona and then jumped onto Bona shortly after Vec opened… coming from snowy, who had a legit wagon and Bob scummed much harder. Snowy and Bob are more likely scum together by this interaction.
—damo also looks weird here for voting Bona for being “not town,” moving to worcej, then getting pressure from Vecna and revoting Bona. Odd… I don’t feel like damo is someone who ever succumbs to pressure like that. When snowy pressures damo about this, he insists he is moving back to bona to prove Vecna is wrong and damo is not bussing. I feel that more likely is a statement from scum POV. I now scumread damo.
—lfischl’s iso is too short and hollow to comment. I’ll withhold judgment until we see more.
—snowy said bona was his strongest townread. He then votes bona to “shake things up” and explains that it’s because he has been absent and I thinks maybe the metaread is right and chased bona off… but he also seems disinclined to stay here as he moves around to HB and damo before sticking. Not great but nothing screams scum to me.
—jee-hug (I can never say “gugg,” that’s gross) moved around a fair bit and didnt particularly scumread bona but honestly I think this looks like a very normal non sus vote.
—celaph’s situation is similar to ghug. I think both bona and Maniac were in his nulls list and he said he wanted to avoid a tie. Nothing indicative.
—Maniac mostly just scumread bozo. But, same as celaph and ghug, plopping the vote here at the end when he was the counterwagon seemed NAI.

Interestingly, no one who voted for Bona at any point ended up anywhere else… they all landed on Bona.

I’d have to dig deeper to see if anyone scumread Bona and DIDN’T vote them… ugh…

Maniac wagon:
—Kak said bona looks good so that’s a thing.
—HB also said he felt good about Bona.
—worcej indicated he was slightly sus of Bona but that bona wasn’t worthy of a D1 flip. Meh, at first I thought this was townie but worcej can play scum well, it’s NAI.

Vanities:
—Macca didn’t mention bona
—bozo rated Bona near the top of his list as town but never spoke to why
—Jamie didn’t mention bona
—rdr puts bona in his scum pool (with damo jamie maniac and brian) and then votes damo. He has reasons for scumreading bona but not scumreading damo. He then points out when ghug puts bona’s wagon in the lead. This behaviour does not look consistent. I now scumread rdr.

Off the cuff I’ll townlean celaph and ghug for their bona votes as well. Those are good 3P item collector spots as well but I’m not hunting the 3P so I would lean towards not voting those two tomorrow. (Maniac can more easily be scum and claim self pres).

[rdrivera2005]

Where is LfischI ?

Where is Rdrivera ?

Where is Celaph ?

Why are you parroting Damo?

[worcej]

@Worcej: You call Foodcoats a null. Bozo had Foodcoats as his #2 scumread. What do you make of that?

I have zero understanding why bozo has food as a scumread, so I cannot comment there.

For me, I think food is posting at a lurker level (not entirely uncommon for him) and I could follow his maniac voting and his town reads on certain players, notably snowy now, make sense to me. He's null because it's not as committal into the game as I'd like to see yet.

I haven’t townread snowy, FWIW.

Okay - this is where I got that impression:

Actually I’ll sheep snowy instead

##VOTE Vecna

Baah baah

Why snowy? It looks like you are trying to pocket him.

Bona and snowy are two on people that I’ve aggressively miskilled as town.

Also I think they both have good reads in general.

Also I didn’t want to inflate the ghug wagon so sheeped my other shepherd.

[worcej]

Taking Chipotle burrito bowl build recommendations

chicken

You disgust me.

What would you recommend, Vegetable-eating-One?