M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

[worcej]

day 1 scumteam guess for bonus points
snowy, bona, bozo, worcej

Why?

[damo666]

I'm going back to Bona.

##vote Bona.

There you go Vecna.

You didn't wait for Vecna to tell you who to vote for.

I know that.

[damo666]

You don't agree with ghug?

Quite often. But pronunciationwise 'ghug' is ill defined. Could be gugg (my assumption) or jee-hug (I kind of hope not) or something weirder.

It's gugg. Some people think it's goog or gee-hug, but they're wrong.

Thank you.

[worcej]

okay so snowy is being intentionally antagonistic (or has more than a few loose screws)
im not entirely sure what to make of this, especially since the antagonism is almost exclusively targeted at me
as one of the highest general townreads, what does snowy gain from antagonising me?
they can easily guess i don't lead wagons very well
as town here, i feel as though snowys goal with these actions would be to annoy the person who annoys them most or something? just for giggles?
as scum id guess the goal is to create some kind of either intimidation or invalidation of my views
obviously its partially joking too but i still think its very strange overall

Okay, thanks for some why.

Antagonizing someone causes them to respond with emotion and be less calculating. I use this technique sometimes and it's very effective - that's how I pegged kgray as scum the last time she played, but everyone decided to white knight instead and she ended up winning

[damo666]

im wondering actually if this was Damo's bussing post.

Shortly after it he finds reasons to vote someone else, I think - but he's setting himself up so he can bus Bona potentially.

Im fitting the narritive, but it fits quite well. The sudden scumread on Bona feels quite strong for no real reason, but thats exactly how I feel scum would navigate the bus here.

I have mostly agreed with your posts this game but you are way off the mark here.

I'll make you an offer. Tell me whether to move my vote back to Bona or not. I promise to comply.

caught for the wrong reasons?

Not caught.

[celaph]

##VOTE Jamie

I don't really feel like playing with him if he's going to be unpleasant from the outset.

FWIW, I find this standard ghug vote reasoning.

Not sure if you by standard you mean NAI or towny. I agree that it's standard for D1 ghug, but that only earns him a solid NAI in my books.

[celaph]

actually we can probably be fairly confident bozo isnt 3p here
i doubt this kind of thought about massclaiming comes from chaqa!bozo

Have you played with Bozo much before? I think Chaqa!Bozo would, at least considering, doing it to avoid the meta accusations that he didn't do it.

[worcej]

I changed my mind, I think it would be advantageous for town to mass claim items, because I think we would have a high probability of catching the 3P before he gets his required items. However, I am confident that it would be impossible to get a consensus on this.

Ah. Here it is.

##vote bozo

I am not sure I buy this post progression. You made a prediction noting you were "catching up", then as soon as your prediction is verified, you suddenly stop responding to posts in order. Also, it seems you have now progressed past my question about Kakarroto's post and have ignored it.

##VOTE worcej

Really? You don't buy me calling your usual 'hey, let's mass claim X' bullshit?

It doesn't take much effort to go through the bot and look back at your games and find these pushes from you.

And the out of order thing I'm struggling with - I usually try to be 'in order' but will jump to direct responses as I see things come up.

[snowy801]

@celaph I noted this earlier, but on p13 you have 4 consecutive posts (in my opinion) strongly defending Bob from... not much aggression, honestly.

What would you say made you feel you needed to go out of your way to bat for Bob here, if you did?

[worcej]

Ah. Here it is.

##vote bozo

I am not sure I buy this post progression. You made a prediction noting you were "catching up", then as soon as your prediction is verified, you suddenly stop responding to posts in order. Also, it seems you have now progressed past my question about Kakarroto's post and have ignored it.

##VOTE worcej

He also never responded to you changing your mind.

"but the 3P is a reasonable deterrent to mass claiming items" doesn't mean he officially changed his mind.

But that could just be stupid old me

[ghug]

Ah. Here it is.

##vote bozo

I am not sure I buy this post progression. You made a prediction noting you were "catching up", then as soon as your prediction is verified, you suddenly stop responding to posts in order. Also, it seems you have now progressed past my question about Kakarroto's post and have ignored it.

##VOTE worcej

Really? You don't buy me calling your usual 'hey, let's mass claim X' bullshit?

It doesn't take much effort to go through the bot and look back at your games and find these pushes from you.

And the out of order thing I'm struggling with - I usually try to be 'in order' but will jump to direct responses as I see things come up.

How has bozo's decision to stop pushing the mass claim (before you ever questioned it) affected your read of him?

[worcej]

##VOTE Jamie

I don't really feel like playing with him if he's going to be unpleasant from the outset.

FWIW, I find this standard ghug vote reasoning.

Not sure if you by standard you mean NAI or towny. I agree that it's standard for D1 ghug, but that only earns him a solid NAI in my books.

It is indeed ghug reasoning and is NAI - my point is it isn't forced or out of character.

[worcej]

I am not sure I buy this post progression. You made a prediction noting you were "catching up", then as soon as your prediction is verified, you suddenly stop responding to posts in order. Also, it seems you have now progressed past my question about Kakarroto's post and have ignored it.

##VOTE worcej

Really? You don't buy me calling your usual 'hey, let's mass claim X' bullshit?

It doesn't take much effort to go through the bot and look back at your games and find these pushes from you.

And the out of order thing I'm struggling with - I usually try to be 'in order' but will jump to direct responses as I see things come up.

How has bozo's decision to stop pushing the mass claim (before you ever questioned it) affected your read of him?

He is OMGUS'ing and is tunneling, which I believe when I see him tunnel he usually is scum.

[bozotheclown]

Ah. Here it is.

##vote bozo

I am not sure I buy this post progression. You made a prediction noting you were "catching up", then as soon as your prediction is verified, you suddenly stop responding to posts in order. Also, it seems you have now progressed past my question about Kakarroto's post and have ignored it.

##VOTE worcej

Really? You don't buy me calling your usual 'hey, let's mass claim X' bullshit?

It doesn't take much effort to go through the bot and look back at your games and find these pushes from you.

And the out of order thing I'm struggling with - I usually try to be 'in order' but will jump to direct responses as I see things come up.

The part that I am not sure I believe is your implication that you had not read ahead and did not know that I listed you as my top scum read before you voted for me for a different reason.

Also, I never called for a mass claim, but there may be a point in the game where it would be a good idea for town to have everyone claim their original item to keep the mafia from CCing the potential town clears.

[celaph]

If I had to vote right now I would vote Snowy, but with 8 players in the single digit posts I'll hold off and wait for more content.

So far I like Bob a lot and Vecna a fair amount. Bozo, Macca, and food all get mild endorsements. Null on all the rest.

Why mild endorsements on Macca and Food?

The way that food pivoted on who to sheep felt natural to me. I think he could have easily either not voted or just sheeped Bona only to change later as I think he knows we would have pushed him for more content. The combination of putting his vote out there incredibly lazily and yet still having the self-awareness to evaluate if he thought the move was awful felt towny.

With Macca I was a fan of the confidence they had in themselves to support Bozo's idea because they scumread snowy. If scum Macca is making up scumreads, I don't expect them to carry the thought process through like they did.

[bozotheclown]

Really? You don't buy me calling your usual 'hey, let's mass claim X' bullshit?

It doesn't take much effort to go through the bot and look back at your games and find these pushes from you.

And the out of order thing I'm struggling with - I usually try to be 'in order' but will jump to direct responses as I see things come up.

How has bozo's decision to stop pushing the mass claim (before you ever questioned it) affected your read of him?

He is OMGUS'ing and is tunneling, which I believe when I see him tunnel he usually is scum.

I had listed you as my top scum read before you voted for me, which is why I suspect your vote may have been preemptive so you could make this claim.

[celaph]

Post requirement fulfilled.

Where is rdr?

Why is nobody else voting Bona?

How do you pronounce ghug and lfischl and xorxes?

I think that there have been a number of people who are suspicious of Bona (thinking Bob, Vecna, and myself) even if our votes aren't there. Can you speak to what caught your attention?

[lfischl]

lfischl, come join us and say something poetic

Sorry I’ve been inactive I haven’t had much time to focus on this, should have more time right before EOD

[worcej]

How has bozo's decision to stop pushing the mass claim (before you ever questioned it) affected your read of him?

He is OMGUS'ing and is tunneling, which I believe when I see him tunnel he usually is scum.

I had listed you as my top scum read before you voted for me, which is why I suspect your vote may have been preemptive so you could make this claim.

Your scum claim on me was rather weak (because it was established from a shitpost aimed at Jamie) and you've continued to pile on supplemental material to justify your read more than actually investigating much of anything else.

[celaph]

Vecna, what about Bona says scum to you, if I understood you right?

It seems you're drawing from experience here, in which case, what experience and what does that say about Bona here now?

Still catching up, but just responding to this quickly in between.

A jovial not so serious Bona gives me flashbacks to his scumgame. Im not entirely sure if my meta-analysis is accurate here, but he usually is a bit more matter of factly with his opinion.

The way he defended Worcej there also seemed -very- uncharacteristic to me. There is no way I believe he couldve had good reasons to pick out that one read of the sea of reads out there to comment on, and to disagree with that strongly.

Im suspecting either a team relation, or a serious white knighting/TMI type of thing going on there.

Bona's behavior reminded me of D1 M66 when he vehemently defended Macca's behavior as NAI; he was town that game. When you're saying that he was disagreeing strongly, I think that is really just coming from his phrasing which I think is more Bona's style than anything else.