M69: Trapped in the Chipotle R&D Lab [HIDDEN]

[Hamilton Brian]

##VOTE Maniac

Seems like +EV

What’s +EV? What do you dislike from Maniac?

[snowy801]

I have a theory. I think you're all deep learning bots building on top of the first take anyone puts in the game, and snowball it to exponential explosions.

I suppose there's a certain irony to going to sleep accusing you all of not asking questions, and waking up to the same.

At this time I note Jamiet has left without stating his reason for scum reading ghug. A convenient timing? Time will tell.

i disagree

Bona! On what grounds would you state that worcej's few initial posting does not already feel scummy? Does any of his comments stand out as towny to you?

Snowy! Why did you question Bona's disagreement, but not Vecna's original comment? Does anything in worcej's comments seem scummy to you?

I actually town read worcej, but there's little value in questioning early scum reads. It usually just amounts to "I don't like something."

There is much greater value in asking about someone's denial of another read. I've been trying to teach (some) of you how to think past surface level thoughts to extract value in people's posts, and it usually boils down to understanding the state of mind from which certain posts can be made.

In this particular, anyone can "feel" a person is scummy or towny, that is natural. But it is important to remember that nobody (but scum) knows with certainty to be true, so you need several additional degrees of confidence (which is still not much) to reject someone else's opinion on a matter, and so early on when there is the least information the thoughts of someone trying to negate another's reads is much more meaningful than someone presenting their own thoughts.

That being said, it's difficult to parse these from people who are just inexplicably confident, but I don't have a problem with what Bona had to say.

[foodcoats]

##VOTE Maniac

Seems like +EV

What’s +EV? What do you dislike from Maniac?

Maniac is lurky in general and made a wild, antitown play when he was a PR last time I played with him, so the expected value of killing him is higher than killing, say, Vecna.

I do not currently scumread anyone. Nor do I have any strong townleans. I would normally townlean celaph here but I’m trying to avoid making an error I usually do that “towny looking content = town” as I just got destroyed in an MU game making that assumption (as I get destroyed here on WD making that assumption also).

[snowy801]

I do want to ask that while asking private questions to the GM is fine, if you ask with the intent of revealing the answer to town you simply ask publicly as there is no reason for anyone to trust that 3P win excludes town win based on what you (bozo in this case) said.

##GM CALL please clarify this, and my previous question (on tiny text)

[snowy801]

u-uwu?

##vote snowy

Why?

pounces on you

[worcej]

That's enough chatter about Jimmy W's name.

I found it rather funny that it was used for shitposting.

[worcej]

snowy only posts this early when he is mafia.

##VOTE snowy

I'd throw out you not pushing for claims is indicative of you being mafia.

I do not think it is advantageous to town to mass claim yet, but mass claiming items would narrow the mafia pool to 11, the 3P pool to 10, and it seems the 3P can't win until N6.

As I catch up, I'm going to bet that bozo at some point is going to flip the switch to 'hey, we should just claim items guys.'

[snowy801]

@Bob

Three times you mentioned Kakarotto is "cool", with no ostensible reason to do so. What makes him so cool in your books?

[snowy801]

I'd throw out you not pushing for claims is indicative of you being mafia.

I do not think it is advantageous to town to mass claim yet, but mass claiming items would narrow the mafia pool to 11, the 3P pool to 10, and it seems the 3P can't win until N6.

As I catch up, I'm going to bet that bozo at some point is going to flip the switch to 'hey, we should just claim items guys.'

Would you say it says anything about him, if he does?

[Chaqa]

##call GM

Are there any restrictions on items being given away during the dayphase?


If the answer is no, any town that is about to be misskilled should probably (secretly) give away their items to their biggest or 2nd biggest townread, so they dont randomly end up in scum/3p's hands for being on the wagon.

Annoyingly this probably also means that scum will just be able to give their items to their teammates just before dying. (Does this also fuck with the massclaim? probably?)

Giving away an item happens at the end of the day, following the daykill, so this would not work.

[worcej]

Hello.

I am in London for three days of work related meetings so I'll mostly be checking in from my phone. I promise to contribute as much as I can, and to remain relatively civil and calm (for a given value of same).

WHERE ARE YOU HIDING JAMIE?!?!?!

WHO IS THIS IMPOSTER?!?!?!

Worcej already feeling pretty scummy with just his few initial posting.

Elaborate. Super curious what is different with this shitpost to warrant a scum vibe when you usually town me with my shitposts.

[BobMcBob]

@Bob

Three times you mentioned Kakarotto is "cool", with no ostensible reason to do so. What makes him so cool in your books?

in what way does his ruler of austria post not just scream cool at you? (to be fair it was written before role assignment)
kak is a cool dude
he does cool things and is fun
were keeping him for now

[worcej]

I do not think it is advantageous to town to mass claim yet, but mass claiming items would narrow the mafia pool to 11, the 3P pool to 10, and it seems the 3P can't win until N6.

As I catch up, I'm going to bet that bozo at some point is going to flip the switch to 'hey, we should just claim items guys.'

Would you say it says anything about him, if he does?

We should policy kill him if he did. Still haven't seen it yet.

Context: I've been incredibly vocal of how it's annoying that almost every game bozo is in he finds a way to break the mechanics to afford a small increase in statistical odds of town at the cost of any advantage town has. It's NAI for him to push these ideas because usually mafia also benefit from it to.

[worcej]

##VOTE Jamie

I don't really feel like playing with him if he's going to be unpleasant from the outset.

FWIW, I find this standard ghug vote reasoning.

[BobMcBob]

actually we can probably be fairly confident bozo isnt 3p here
i doubt this kind of thought about massclaiming comes from chaqa!bozo

[snowy801]

My thoughts on the massclaim was that the benefits of doing so were not obvious to me, and so it cannot possibly be obvious to anyone else.

Therefore, this person is not thinking, and typically people willing to spew wildly anti-town takes are typically town.

[worcej]

When did Ghug become such a thin skinned crybaby?

You quit the last game and the council because you were a thin-skinned crybaby, made a big show of promising to be better, and then came in insulting someone. The fact that that someone is me is only slightly relevant.

Can I be honest that you both seem to be over-reacting and I am leaning more towards theater than actual honest intent?

[Hamilton Brian]

Joke alert:

So I had to call in a psychic to my house. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not a huge believer in the paranormal. But this was just beyond me. My wife kept complaining that we were being haunted by the ghost of a chicken. Instead of the boos ordinarily attributed to ghosts, she said it would float around the house shrieking "buk-oo, buk-oo." So, I did my loving partner duty and called the psychic.


The report from the psychic was that we have a poultrygeist.

Ba-dum-bum!

[worcej]

At this time I note Jamiet has left without stating his reason for scum reading ghug. A convenient timing? Time will tell.

Worcej already feeling pretty scummy with just his few initial posting.

i disagree

Bona! On what grounds would you state that worcej's few initial posting does not already feel scummy? Does any of his comments stand out as towny to you?

Side question - do you think my first posts were scummy snowy?

[Chaqa]

I do want to ask that while asking private questions to the GM is fine, if you ask with the intent of revealing the answer to town you simply ask publicly as there is no reason for anyone to trust that 3P win excludes town win based on what you (bozo in this case) said.

##GM CALL please clarify this, and my previous question (on tiny text)

##GM Note

It wasn't explicitly stated, but the 3P winning is indeed considered a loss for everyone else.

I didn't see the tiny text question, could you point me to it?