M68: Guns N' Roses GAMETHREAD [hidden]

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Re: M68: Guns N' Roses GAMETHREAD [hidden]

#2761 Post by worcej » Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:25 pm

ghug wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:19 pm
worcej wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:11 pm
ghug wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:53 pm
Ok, worcej, damo, I think you're my teammates. This is a little easier if emc is scum, since if he's town I have to convince three of you, so I'm gonna hope he's rd's pattern partner.

damo, I'm going to hope you're voting me for reaction, but you need to move to rd. I'll obviously move to JBH if it comes down to him and me, but I don't think he's our best shot, and I'm fairly sure we're not gonna get the votes there.

worcej, I honestly don't see myself convincing you at this point, but I have to try. Your argument seems to boil down to my being too chummy with Chaqa. Chaqa and I butt heads a lot, but I actually don't dislike him, and he expressed a desire to leave the community this game, which probably made me a little more inclined to play nice with him. If he and I were teammates, I would have bussed him harder yesterday. Look back at what I did do, and I think you'll see that a) my motives were a towny desire to be sure and keep generating info and b) I wouldn't defend a teammate whose death was certain like that after last game. I don't know what else I can do here.
Am I being unreasonable or something? Perhaps I am not able to tell the levels of deprecation you have for others and just assume it's at the same level as me.

Anyways... why would you have bused him harder last phase? My vibe from you was you kinda scumread Chaqa but didn't like our reasoning for him. It feels, now with his flip in hindsight, you were promoting doubt in order to try to get us to switch off to rdr, who you had been voting all phase until the last minute. Now, once again, you are asking us to do the same again.

So, in regards to a), I see actually some more scum motivation than town. And b) wasn't a such a certainty until ~2 hours left in the phase. What sealed it more was Chaqa's disengagement and his openly stupid claim about the gun that drew attention to him during later phases of the game.
Look, I never really expected Chaqa to not die yesterday. I wasn't convinced, and I wanted to explore other possibilities and make sure we were making the most of the day. I don't see how either of those things is scummy.
Reviewing your yesterday, I don't see any point where you articulate this and I see more comments (at least at me) that were submarining the case of scum!chaqa.
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#2762 Post by worcej » Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:26 pm

ghug wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:24 pm
Damo I swear to God if you're playing me after you laid that giant egg for us last game, I'm gonna pretty annoyed..

Not like Chaqa managing to get himself killed for having a date when he's on my team and then turning around and winning several games as scum annoyed, but close.
I thought Damo was arguably the MVP for your team last game...
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#2763 Post by rdrivera2005 » Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:28 pm

ghug wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:17 pm
damo666 wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:12 pm
@ghug I am willing to move back to JBH.

Why would rdr/EMC

1. Heavily bus each other day 2
2. Kill JBH n2
3. Kill celaph n4 rather than you or I say and then rdr heavily say anyone could have fear killed celaph?
1. A Chaqa, rdr, emc team might be the most bus-happy team ever.
2. I don't fucking know.
3. I was confused by the celaph kill, but there's still enough votes on me that it seems to have worked out fine for scum. Killing me would have been pretty silly. Killing you was what I thought would happen.. Maybe you've pulled the wool over my eyes, or maybe they picked someone whose absence wouldn't shake things up much but whose presence could have the potential to solve the game if he'd decided to become active.
The first point is a straight lie. I don't like to buss. You saw how much I took to decide to buss Damo last game and in the end I didn't buss.
I buss when it makes sense, either strategically or to look good.
Also re-read the Chaqa vote on HB and tell me you just think it could have been written by a town.
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#2764 Post by rdrivera2005 » Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:30 pm

worcej wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:25 pm
ghug wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:19 pm
worcej wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:11 pm
Am I being unreasonable or something? Perhaps I am not able to tell the levels of deprecation you have for others and just assume it's at the same level as me.

Anyways... why would you have bused him harder last phase? My vibe from you was you kinda scumread Chaqa but didn't like our reasoning for him. It feels, now with his flip in hindsight, you were promoting doubt in order to try to get us to switch off to rdr, who you had been voting all phase until the last minute. Now, once again, you are asking us to do the same again.

So, in regards to a), I see actually some more scum motivation than town. And b) wasn't a such a certainty until ~2 hours left in the phase. What sealed it more was Chaqa's disengagement and his openly stupid claim about the gun that drew attention to him during later phases of the game.
Look, I never really expected Chaqa to not die yesterday. I wasn't convinced, and I wanted to explore other possibilities and make sure we were making the most of the day. I don't see how either of those things is scummy.
Reviewing your yesterday, I don't see any point where you articulate this and I see more comments (at least at me) that were submarining the case of scum!chaqa.
Exactly my point. Ghug were actively dismissing any argument for Chaqa being scum while still keeping a scum read on him.
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#2765 Post by ghug » Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:32 pm

worcej wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:25 pm
ghug wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:19 pm
worcej wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:11 pm
Am I being unreasonable or something? Perhaps I am not able to tell the levels of deprecation you have for others and just assume it's at the same level as me.

Anyways... why would you have bused him harder last phase? My vibe from you was you kinda scumread Chaqa but didn't like our reasoning for him. It feels, now with his flip in hindsight, you were promoting doubt in order to try to get us to switch off to rdr, who you had been voting all phase until the last minute. Now, once again, you are asking us to do the same again.

So, in regards to a), I see actually some more scum motivation than town. And b) wasn't a such a certainty until ~2 hours left in the phase. What sealed it more was Chaqa's disengagement and his openly stupid claim about the gun that drew attention to him during later phases of the game.
Look, I never really expected Chaqa to not die yesterday. I wasn't convinced, and I wanted to explore other possibilities and make sure we were making the most of the day. I don't see how either of those things is scummy.
Reviewing your yesterday, I don't see any point where you articulate this and I see more comments (at least at me) that were submarining the case of scum!chaqa.
"Yeah guys let's kill Chaqa today but I'm gonna sit on rd for a while" kinda defeats the purpose. I wanted to see if anything would happen with a counterwagon. I wanted to question y'all (but specifically rd because, frankly, I'm used to finding your logic underwhelming when you're town), and I wanted to spend the time trying to figure out if we were right.

I told Chaqa pretty early in the day that I was struggling to see a world where he wasn't scum. I told damo I wanted competitive wagons until we coalesced at the end. I expressed doubts in the final moments. I spent the whole day talking to whoever was around and working through the options. These are towny things to do.

It's dumb to question specific points against your teammate as scum unless you're intending to save them, since people can turn around and point to those defenses once they flip. My questioning rd's points on Chaqa obviously wasn't going to get rd to join me in voting for someone else, since he was the one I was voting for, so what would the point have been?
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#2766 Post by ghug » Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:32 pm

worcej wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:26 pm
ghug wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:24 pm
Damo I swear to God if you're playing me after you laid that giant egg for us last game, I'm gonna pretty annoyed..

Not like Chaqa managing to get himself killed for having a date when he's on my team and then turning around and winning several games as scum annoyed, but close.
I thought Damo was arguably the MVP for your team last game...
Yeah, that was the narrative brain pushed...
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#2767 Post by damo666 » Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:33 pm

ghug wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:24 pm
Damo I swear to God if you're playing me after you laid that giant egg for us last game, I'm gonna pretty annoyed..

Not like Chaqa managing to get himself killed for having a date when he's on my team and then turning around and winning several games as scum annoyed, but close.
All I can tell you is I am town. I don't think rdr is.

If you and JBH are both town then I think we've lost.
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#2768 Post by ghug » Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:33 pm

rdrivera2005 wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:30 pm
worcej wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:25 pm
ghug wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:19 pm


Look, I never really expected Chaqa to not die yesterday. I wasn't convinced, and I wanted to explore other possibilities and make sure we were making the most of the day. I don't see how either of those things is scummy.
Reviewing your yesterday, I don't see any point where you articulate this and I see more comments (at least at me) that were submarining the case of scum!chaqa.
Exactly my point. Ghug were actively dismissing any argument for Chaqa being scum while still keeping a scum read on him.
This continues to be BS. I was arguing against your points, because they were fake and demonstrated that you were obviously bussing him. I wasn't dismissing any argument. I even gave my own.
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#2769 Post by ghug » Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:34 pm

damo666 wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:33 pm
ghug wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:24 pm
Damo I swear to God if you're playing me after you laid that giant egg for us last game, I'm gonna pretty annoyed..

Not like Chaqa managing to get himself killed for having a date when he's on my team and then turning around and winning several games as scum annoyed, but close.
All I can tell you is I am town. I don't think rdr is.

If you and JBH are both town then I think we've lost.
If you think rdr is scum, why are you willing to vote Johnny but not him?
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#2770 Post by damo666 » Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:39 pm

ghug wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:32 pm
worcej wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:26 pm
ghug wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:24 pm
Damo I swear to God if you're playing me after you laid that giant egg for us last game, I'm gonna pretty annoyed..

Not like Chaqa managing to get himself killed for having a date when he's on my team and then turning around and winning several games as scum annoyed, but close.
I thought Damo was arguably the MVP for your team last game...
Yeah, that was the narrative brain pushed...
Forget about the last game.
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#2771 Post by damo666 » Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:40 pm

ghug wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:34 pm
damo666 wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:33 pm
ghug wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:24 pm
Damo I swear to God if you're playing me after you laid that giant egg for us last game, I'm gonna pretty annoyed..

Not like Chaqa managing to get himself killed for having a date when he's on my team and then turning around and winning several games as scum annoyed, but close.
All I can tell you is I am town. I don't think rdr is.

If you and JBH are both town then I think we've lost.
If you think rdr is scum, why are you willing to vote Johnny but not him?
I omitted the word 'scum'.

Ofc if i thought rdr was scum I'd have voted him by now.
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#2772 Post by damo666 » Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:42 pm

Anyone think this GvR could be TvT ?
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#2773 Post by damo666 » Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:48 pm

If you are town and are currently voting ghug please unvote now.
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#2774 Post by ghug » Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:57 pm

*crickets*
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#2775 Post by damo666 » Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:03 pm

Ok ghug I'll switch to rdr and see what happens.

A tie not a disaster is it?

##vote rdr
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#2776 Post by ghug » Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:03 pm

damo666 wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:03 pm
Ok ghug I'll switch to rdr and see what happens.

A tie not a disaster is it?

##vote rdr
No, we can afford a tie right now.

##VOTE rdr
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#2777 Post by rdrivera2005 » Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:07 pm

damo666 wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:48 pm
If you are town and are currently voting ghug please unvote now.
That was meant to me?

My problem to unvote Ghug is that I am the counterwagon.
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#2778 Post by rdrivera2005 » Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:08 pm

ghug wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:03 pm
damo666 wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:03 pm
Ok ghug I'll switch to rdr and see what happens.

A tie not a disaster is it?

##vote rdr
No, we can afford a tie right now.

##VOTE rdr
A tie is pretty bad as it only let scum to choose another town to kill.
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#2779 Post by rdrivera2005 » Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:08 pm

rdrivera2005 wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:08 pm
ghug wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:03 pm
damo666 wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:03 pm
Ok ghug I'll switch to rdr and see what happens.

A tie not a disaster is it?

##vote rdr
No, we can afford a tie right now.

##VOTE rdr
A tie is pretty bad as it only let scum to choose another town to kill.
Or they can even choose to not-kill.
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#2780 Post by ghug » Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:09 pm

rdrivera2005 wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:08 pm
rdrivera2005 wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:08 pm
ghug wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:03 pm


No, we can afford a tie right now.

##VOTE rdr
A tie is pretty bad as it only let scum to choose another town to kill.
Or they can even choose to not-kill.
It's better than killing me.
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