M68: Guns N' Roses GAMETHREAD [hidden]

[Chaqa]

@Chaqa, you have been consistently scumreading worcej and rivera (always together) since EOD2, but I don't think you have ever explained why. Can you say something about those reads?

Worcej is easier to explain. Generally I find myself agreeing with most everything he says and having an easy time town reading him. Like most of my reads, it's not ever a specific thing or something I can point to, unlike my VCA reads, but it's more of a meta read. I find myself to be very good at these, like when I consistently can pick out whether EMC, ghug, Jamie, and others are town or not. Worcej is one of the players I can read, and I read him as scum.

Rivera is trickier. Unlike those guys, Rivera I can NEVER read. Largely I had narrowed down scum to Hamilton, worcej, and rivera based on PoE and some reads. Hamilton, specifically, someone else (maybe ghug) had mentioned he didn't seem to be explaining his thought processes as much, and I latched onto that and it probably gave me a self-fulfilling prophecy on him.

Circling back to Rivera - it was more that I felt no one else could be scum.

I had/have solid town reads on ghug, brain!celaph, Jamie, and EMC.

Damo's logic made sense to me. Johnny could only be scum in that scenario Damo and I put forth, and that will solve itself tonight (either with knowing he's town or knowing we have lost the game to a lots of bullets).

That left, from a PoE standpoint, Rivera to be the last scum.

Since I was wrong about Hamilton, the whole thing is a little tenuous now. I still feel strongly about worcej being scum, but I think someone else has slipped my radar.

^See highlight&

[Chaqa]

I'm prepared to end this now. If Chaqa is town then good luck scum, you have taken advantage of Chaqa's stupidity.

##end

What exactly have I done that's stupid?

Ending like this is scummy. You guys flip me and we lose, and I don't want to take the blame for you all never knowing how to read me.

[Chaqa]

Looking to me very much like a {Chaqa, emc, braincel} scumteam.

I think all three scum are in the group EMC, Worcej, Rivera, Ghug, Braincel.

I'm unsure who I would flip first.

[ghug]

I'm prepared to end this now. If Chaqa is town then good luck scum, you have taken advantage of Chaqa's stupidity.

##end

What exactly have I done that's stupid?

Ending like this is scummy. You guys flip me and we lose, and I don't want to take the blame for you all never knowing how to read me.

FWIW, I consider miskilling you just as much losing to you as incorrectly not killing you. Dying after correctly scumreading you, on the other hand, is a pyrrhic victory.

The best thing you can do for yourself right now is try to solve the game. There's still plenty of day left.

[Johnny Big Horse]

#UNVOTE

[Chaqa]

I'm prepared to end this now. If Chaqa is town then good luck scum, you have taken advantage of Chaqa's stupidity.

##end

What exactly have I done that's stupid?

Ending like this is scummy. You guys flip me and we lose, and I don't want to take the blame for you all never knowing how to read me.

FWIW, I consider miskilling you just as much losing to you as incorrectly not killing you. Dying after correctly scumreading you, on the other hand, is a pyrrhic victory.

The best thing you can do for yourself right now is try to solve the game. There's still plenty of day left.

How is miskilling me losing to me. What?

This doesn't sound like something town!Ghug would say

[ghug]

What exactly have I done that's stupid?

Ending like this is scummy. You guys flip me and we lose, and I don't want to take the blame for you all never knowing how to read me.

FWIW, I consider miskilling you just as much losing to you as incorrectly not killing you. Dying after correctly scumreading you, on the other hand, is a pyrrhic victory.

The best thing you can do for yourself right now is try to solve the game. There's still plenty of day left.

How is miskilling me losing to me. What?

This doesn't sound like something town!Ghug would say

I'm just saying that a lot of people like to take a "well, I'd rather lose with this person than lose to this person" mindset (I get this a lot, because I'm a smug asshole), and while I might normally approach you this way, I feel like there's some vindication for you in your "nobody understands me" argument if you're miskilled.

[Chaqa]

FWIW, I consider miskilling you just as much losing to you as incorrectly not killing you. Dying after correctly scumreading you, on the other hand, is a pyrrhic victory.

The best thing you can do for yourself right now is try to solve the game. There's still plenty of day left.

How is miskilling me losing to me. What?

This doesn't sound like something town!Ghug would say

I'm just saying that a lot of people like to take a "well, I'd rather lose with this person than lose to this person" mindset (I get this a lot, because I'm a smug asshole), and while I might normally approach you this way, I feel like there's some vindication for you in your "nobody understands me" argument if you're miskilled.

Eh, I'd much rather win than feel vindicated, but I get your point.

This game has so few people and so little data to go on it's hard for me to follow any big leads. I could do some VCA, but without any confirmed scum or scans or clears it's difficult. If I assume Johnny and damo are town, I might be able to find something, though, especially with yesterday's EoD.

[dargorygel]

#UNVOTE

Double octothorpes for the bot, please

[e.m.c^42]

Aw man, catching up now, but prolly won't say much 'til tomorrow as I've got to sleep.

[e.m.c^42]

Said I'd look into Chaqa before popping offline, and from what I remember he still had me wobbling on him. Unrelated but from bot skim, I know that my missing is within reason, but where has braincel gone?

[e.m.c^42]

Sorta feel like I'm tunneled to stupid, all things considered, but still have scumread on ghug.

[ghug]

Sorta feel like I'm tunneled to stupid, all things considered, but still have scumread on ghug.

Seriously?

[damo666]

Tinfoil theory

{bb, JBH, worcej}

Let's all pick n2. Johnny, you pick a rose and one of us will shoot you making you a townclear and run all the way to the end and win it for us in your first game.

[ghug]

Tinfoil theory

{bb, JBH, worcej}

Let's all pick n2. Johnny, you pick a rose and one of us will shoot you making you a townclear and run all the way to the end and win it for us in your first game.

I honestly don't hate this theory, but I don't see why it has to be worcej, and I think they just win if they did it, so I don't see much point in dwelling on it.

[damo666]

As there was a kill attempt on Snowy N1 and he was killed n2 I decided to give him a reread.

Having done so I see there is no way scumChaqa would condone a kill attempt on either night.

I'm doing a flippety floppety 180.

##unvote.

[damo666]

@ghug if Chaqa is town then JBH is town so if we are both town then there are only 4 people who can be scum {rdr, worcej, emc, braincel}. Now you say you cannot envisage an rdr worcej scumpair and I cannot envisage an emc worcej scumpair so it's impossible. The obvious solution [what you're missing] is Chaqa is scum.

So from mpov one of Chaqa or ghug must be scum. I think it is more likely to be Chaqa.

@ghug now that I've done a 180 on Chaqa cab you provide a counter to the above? I've got an idea but I'd rather see if you come up with the same before I state it.

[damo666]

#UNVOTE

Interesting. Why.

Also note invalidity.

[rdrivera2005]

As there was a kill attempt on Snowy N1 and he was killed n2 I decided to give him a reread.

Having done so I see there is no way scumChaqa would condone a kill attempt on either night.

I'm doing a flippety floppety 180.

##unvote.

Could you explain me why?

[rdrivera2005]

Tinfoil theory

{bb, JBH, worcej}

Let's all pick n2. Johnny, you pick a rose and one of us will shoot you making you a townclear and run all the way to the end and win it for us in your first game.

I can easily see this, but I still think it's more likely he wasn't shot at all if he is scum. Why choose N2 to do that? If he had a rose better use it in a night where there is only one gun shot so there is no doubt he had a rose.