M68: Guns N' Roses GAMETHREAD [hidden]

[Hamilton Brian]

[Post about Damo]

When do you think Damo's approach should have changed and why? In relation to what?

What I gather from this is that Damo had a scumread and pushed them. He saw nothing that should change his scumread, so he didn't stop pushing them. That behavior is not scummy in itself, pushing scumreads is good.

If you want to make a case here, show me where Damo went wrong. Show me the town Macca tells that he overlooked or ignored. Show me someone who his statements suggest he should have seen as a better wagon than Macca.

Lastly, regarding the change of view on EMC, point out where he is scummy. Where is his reasoning contrived or forced? Tell me why scum would want to change their view on EMC like that at that time. Because merely pointing out that someone's view changed not hunting.

So, you need to see: where Damo went wrong, what Macca offered to dispel the scumminess, and specific EMC scumminess.

[Jamiet99uk]

When do you think Damo's approach should have changed and why? In relation to what?

What I gather from this is that Damo had a scumread and pushed them. He saw nothing that should change his scumread, so he didn't stop pushing them. That behavior is not scummy in itself, pushing scumreads is good.

If you want to make a case here, show me where Damo went wrong. Show me the town Macca tells that he overlooked or ignored. Show me someone who his statements suggest he should have seen as a better wagon than Macca.

Lastly, regarding the change of view on EMC, point out where he is scummy. Where is his reasoning contrived or forced? Tell me why scum would want to change their view on EMC like that at that time. Because merely pointing out that someone's view changed not hunting.

So, you need to see: where Damo went wrong, what Macca offered to dispel the scumminess, and specific EMC scumminess.

Yes obviously, those three things are what Celaph is asking you to explain.
Are you going to?

[Hamilton Brian]

Your lack of confidence in this matter suggests that you're not town.

##vote HB

I think you're reading too much into it, seeing what you want to see to justify a vote, or just coming into the game and latching on to something.

[Hamilton Brian]

JBH looks like a member of a scumteam who have deliberately not shot Jamie.

The way he addresses it straight away followed by his mock surprise at getting a being shot message.

Is JBH being coached N2 for this?

I'm flipping again lol.
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What? I did think the "wow" was somewhat...forced? Unnatural?

[Hamilton Brian]

HamB

Is Johnny your teammate?

If they're town they are. Are they yours?

[damo666]

JBH looks like a member of a scumteam who have deliberately not shot Jamie.

The way he addresses it straight away followed by his mock surprise at getting a being shot message.

Is JBH being coached N2 for this?

I'm flipping again lol.
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What? I did think the "wow" was somewhat...forced? Unnatural?

Very much agree.

[damo666]

HamB

Is Johnny your teammate?

If they're town they are. Are they yours?

They might be but I'm not bussing.

[Hamilton Brian]

So, you need to see: where Damo went wrong, what Macca offered to dispel the scumminess, and specific EMC scumminess.

So after a very fast reread of Macca, my conjecture is that: Macca talked a lot about previous games, previous activity, and did not spend time actively making reads. When on the hot seat they were offering passive defenses.

Just not sure that would be enough to scumread them. I guess the best play for scum is not to be blatant about anything. Why was this enough for Damo to rest on them the entire day?

[Johnny Big Horse]

If I am right, and Jamie and Damo are scum, I humbly ask the rest of us, to vote them out today. If we vote one of them out, and I am wrong, I will do whatever I am told... by Jamie or Damo.

Worcez, EMC, Rivera, Hamilton, there are few of us left. Take out a mafioso. Vote Damo or Jamie.

[Hamilton Brian]

So, you need to see: where Damo went wrong, what Macca offered to dispel the scumminess, and specific EMC scumminess.

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With regard to EMC, it's all conjecture. It's participation at the last minute. The fact that lack of participation hurts town since there's information they could be providing that they're not. Posts feel like filler, but I think that's how EMC writes, NAI, but just not helpful? Not sure I've ever participated in a game where EMC was scum so I don't have that to fall back on.

[Hamilton Brian]

EMC, you dropped the vote on ghug and it seems that the only articulation for the case is gut-read. Is there a sniff of anything else that is substantial in terms of action or words?

[Johnny Big Horse]

Johnny,

who are your teammates?

I was a follower of President Eden. I liked how he communicated, and he seemed always reasonable. I voted with him, although I like to fool myself into thinking I am an independent.

Right now it is clear that Damo and Jamie are both on the same team. Very clear. Mafia.

I don't understand why Rivera, EMC, Hamilton and Celaph don't see it. But whatever.

If they succeed in killing me, just know, I told you so. I am town. I am a newb. And I fingered the Mafia, and that is why they are so adamant that I go. I am a massive threat to Jamie and Damo. Why else would those guys shoot a newb who could have had a rose (I did), while Jamie, she clearly didn't have one. Oh, I know, Jamie is mafia.

[Hamilton Brian]

Right now it is clear that Damo and Jamie are both on the same team. Very clear. Mafia.

I'd love to know why you think both are scum. Is it a gut read? Is it something specific they have written?

[worcej]

I'm alive and back from vacation.

I'll do my best to catch up but with ~30 pages behind, I'll try to stick to some higher level comments/posts instead of my usual blockade of comments.

[worcej]

[snip...]

You said I went nuts at Brainbomb on D1. Again, the opposite was true. I had a lot of exchanges with Brainbomb, but I was calm and reasonable all the way through, and I even encouraged Brainbomb to calm down and take a break to cool off, several times.

[snip...]

Sure you may have been calm, but you were definitely not reasonable and were poking at him to rile him up several times until he lost his shit and then you tried to calm him down.

[worcej]

Where is Worcej?

Worcej, if you are Town, you are not helping us.
If you are scum, ##Vote Worcej.

I'm here, how can I help you? (serious question)

[damo666]

Johnny,

who are your teammates?

I was a follower of President Eden. I liked how he communicated, and he seemed always reasonable. I voted with him, although I like to fool myself into thinking I am an independent.

Right now it is clear that Damo and Jamie are both on the same team. Very clear. Mafia.

I don't understand why Rivera, EMC, Hamilton and Celaph don't see it. But whatever.

If they succeed in killing me, just know, I told you so. I am town. I am a newb. And I fingered the Mafia, and that is why they are so adamant that I go. I am a massive threat to Jamie and Damo. Why else would those guys shoot a newb who could have had a rose (I did), while Jamie, she clearly didn't have one. Oh, I know, Jamie is mafia.

The only point in scum choosing a n1 rose would be to ensure getting shot n1 to set up an apparent clear. Therefore Chaqa must be scum with Jamie.

n1 Chaqa gun n1 shoots Jamie rose n1
Failed factional kill on snowy

n2 there are 3 shots, 1 a factional kill leaves 2 hots but there's only 1 scum unaccounted for.

This is why your theory falls down. If you are town it is impossible for Chaqa and Jamie to both be scum.

You could argue Chaqa town, Jamie scum with n1 rose who got incredibly lucky leaving 2 scum available for the n2 shots. However this would be really bad play on Jamie's part and he is too good for that.

Conditional hypotheses:

If Johnny is town is Jamie is town.
If Jamie is scum Chaqa is scum, meaning not enough scum for n2 so JBH would have to be lying which means if Jamie and Chaqa are both scum JBH has to be third man which given today's narrative is nigh on impossible.

Corollary JAMIE IS TOWN

Therefore if Johnny leaves his vote on Jamie Johnny must be scum.

So, Johnny if you are town move your vote to someone that actually can be scum given the data.

[damo666]

I'm alive and back from vacation.

I'll do my best to catch up but with ~30 pages behind, I'll try to stick to some higher level comments/posts instead of my usual blockade of comments.

Glad you're back, if you're town we need your insight. You have become one of the primary suspects chiefly as a consequence of POE and your absence hasn't helped you. So please obvtown for us to narrow the pool.

[Hamilton Brian]

I'd like the parrot back.

[damo666]

I'd like the parrot back.

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