M68: Guns N' Roses GAMETHREAD [hidden]

[Hamilton Brian]

At this point, I'd vote me too. I have really laid an egg in this game and in no way have I been able to endear myself to town, as town. And I'm not thinking. I think this rose/gun bullshit is causing me to get stuck in THAT and I can't get a decent vision of anything else.

[ghug]

I think at this point, we are in such a bad position that a vote to avoid losing or a policy vote aren't a good call. Vote JBH if you think he is scum, otherwise vote someone else.

Right now I will ##vote HB

Why HB? What are your other reads?

You just said you scumread HB, so why are you pushing back on someone voting him?

I'm questioning rd because I scumread him too.

[ghug]

At this point, I'd vote me too. I have really laid an egg in this game and in no way have I been able to endear myself to town, as town. And I'm not thinking. I think this rose/gun bullshit is causing me to get stuck in THAT and I can't get a decent vision of anything else.

What has you stuck, exactly? This game is less mechanically complex than many you've played.

[Hamilton Brian]

What has you stuck, exactly? This game is less mechanically complex than many you've played.

Is it less complex though? These item claims are just sitting in my brain and I just can't escape the feeling that there's a big lie that has been concocted.

[rdrivera2005]

Having banged on about JBH being a safe kill his impassioned (though somewhat naive) post sound very town. I am tempted to gamble 'all in' on JBH being town.

In this case who to vote for? I think it has to be from {HB, worcej, rdr}. Thoughts people on kill Johnny v assume Johnny town and if the latter who to kill?

I appeal for a Bozo type survey on the above.

I think at this point, we are in such a bad position that a vote to avoid losing or a policy vote aren't a good call. Vote JBH if you think he is scum, otherwise vote someone else.

Right now I will ##vote HB

Why HB? What are your other reads?

I posted my reads at EOD and they didn't change much. Damo gained some points but is still on the scum side. Eden is out of my POE obviously.

I also can vote you, worcej and emc, but all of you had some towny moments and HB have none that I remember.

[Jamiet99uk]

What has you stuck, exactly? This game is less mechanically complex than many you've played.

Is it less complex though? These item claims are just sitting in my brain and I just can't escape the feeling that there's a big lie that has been concocted.

Then forget about the items for a bit. Or, assume all item claims are true. Just remove it as a variable for a moment.

Look at people's votes. Look at their play. Examine what they're saying. Who do you trust? Who do you suspect?

[rdrivera2005]

Why HB? What are your other reads?

You just said you scumread HB, so why are you pushing back on someone voting him?

I'm questioning rd because I scumread him too.

I will ask you the same I asked Damo and he didn'tanswer. You were just scum with me and saw how I play as scum. What do you see on this game that indicates my scum play?

[Johnny Big Horse]

What has you stuck, exactly? This game is less mechanically complex than many you've played.

Is it less complex though? These item claims are just sitting in my brain and I just can't escape the feeling that there's a big lie that has been concocted.

Yep. Agree

[Hamilton Brian]

Look at people's votes. Look at their play. Examine what they're saying. Who do you trust? Who do you suspect?

Votes have been bad. You were the first one (maybe only one) to point out that ghug and I were on both of the daykills.

Trustiness: JBH, damo, brain/celaph, rivera (came around on them rereading the D1 entrance and gun discussion) suspicious of: jamie, chaqa, ghug, worcej uncertain: emc

[ghug]

I think at this point, we are in such a bad position that a vote to avoid losing or a policy vote aren't a good call. Vote JBH if you think he is scum, otherwise vote someone else.

Right now I will ##vote HB

Why HB? What are your other reads?

I posted my reads at EOD and they didn't change much. Damo gained some points but is still on the scum side. Eden is out of my POE obviously.

I also can vote you, worcej and emc, but all of you had some towny moments and HB have none that I remember.

What are worcej's townie moments? What are mine?

[ghug]

You just said you scumread HB, so why are you pushing back on someone voting him?

I'm questioning rd because I scumread him too.

I will ask you the same I asked Damo and he didn'tanswer. You were just scum with me and saw how I play as scum. What do you see on this game that indicates my scum play?

It's entirely POE. I long ago gave up on reading you.

[celaph]

Framing Chaqa much more likely

Why do you draw this conclusions? What is your read on Chaqa?

Scum tend not to kill those strongly scumreading them.

I think Chaqa claiming gunshot N1 is much more likely as town than scum.

In my second game of scum (with Chaqa), there was a fair amount of killing those that were onto us so I don't completely buy your premise. That said, even granting your premise, I dislike the impulse to think that it was done to frame Chaqa. Why not assume that he was killed for a reason not immediately related to Chaqa?

[Jamiet99uk]

Look at people's votes. Look at their play. Examine what they're saying. Who do you trust? Who do you suspect?

Votes have been bad. You were the first one (maybe only one) to point out that ghug and I were on both of the daykills.

Trustiness: JBH, damo, brain/celaph, rivera (came around on them rereading the D1 entrance and gun discussion) suspicious of: jamie, chaqa, ghug, worcej uncertain: emc

Why do you suspect me?
Ask me questions.

[celaph]

Jamie -- Not worth trying to short while tired. Might as well wait to read more to work with.

Is this a Sean Connery impersonation?

I think it good evidence that I was in fact too tired to *sort you last night.

[Chaqa]

At this point, I'd vote me too. I have really laid an egg in this game and in no way have I been able to endear myself to town, as town. And I'm not thinking. I think this rose/gun bullshit is causing me to get stuck in THAT and I can't get a decent vision of anything else.

This strikes me as very false. You've barely contributed anything, you're not hunting, I barely have any recollection of you at all. You used to explain your reasoning very well even if I disagreed with it, but I haven't seen, well, any of that this game.

Did you get your first scum roll?

[Chaqa]

Why do you draw this conclusions? What is your read on Chaqa?

Scum tend not to kill those strongly scumreading them.

I think Chaqa claiming gunshot N1 is much more likely as town than scum.

In my second game of scum (with Chaqa), there was a fair amount of killing those that were onto us so I don't completely buy your premise. That said, even granting your premise, I dislike the impulse to think that it was done to frame Chaqa. Why not assume that he was killed for a reason not immediately related to Chaqa?

When I'm scum, I do target people based off their reads, barring any specific PR reads I/my team have, so I think celaph's point is fair to bring up, and I give him town points for it.

[Hamilton Brian]

Can't help but think that Chaqa helped push that Foodcoats wagon further with the "I HATE this reads list" comment at the 46 minute mark. The confirmed town wagon (PE) evaporates. What was a 4(brain)/3/3/2(food) with an hour to go then goes 4 brain/3 food when ghug goes on at the 45 minute mark. The wrinkle in my theory is that Chaqa ties up the vote when they hop in the shower. 20 plus minutes for things to work out differently...and the TvT/TvS wagon issue hasn't been resolved.

The comment "Jamie is town" immediately after N1 resolution. Strikes me as unnecessary. No one knows.

Scum chaqa shoots scum jamie, or
town chaqa shoots town jamie, or
town chaqa shoots scum jamie, or
scum chaqa shoots town jamie.

Jamie has crafted some interesting posts that offer an idea that there's been a town resolution. Note the gratuitous use of colour in the vote tracking to indicate town, even if only the assumption.

[Jamiet99uk]

Can't help but think that Chaqa helped push that Foodcoats wagon further with the "I HATE this reads list" comment at the 46 minute mark. The confirmed town wagon (PE) evaporates. What was a 4(brain)/3/3/2(food) with an hour to go then goes 4 brain/3 food when ghug goes on at the 45 minute mark. The wrinkle in my theory is that Chaqa ties up the vote when they hop in the shower. 20 plus minutes for things to work out differently...and the TvT/TvS wagon issue hasn't been resolved.

The comment "Jamie is town" immediately after N1 resolution. Strikes me as unnecessary. No one knows.

Scum chaqa shoots scum jamie, or
town chaqa shoots town jamie, or
town chaqa shoots scum jamie, or
scum chaqa shoots town jamie.

Jamie has crafted some interesting posts that offer an idea that there's been a town resolution. Note the gratuitous use of colour in the vote tracking to indicate town, even if only the assumption.

You said you were fixated on rose / gun bullshit.

I suggested that you set the item stuff aside and look at the game from another perspective.

Here, however, you are still fixating on item stuff.

[Jamiet99uk]

##Vote EMC

[ghug]

At this point, I'd vote me too. I have really laid an egg in this game and in no way have I been able to endear myself to town, as town. And I'm not thinking. I think this rose/gun bullshit is causing me to get stuck in THAT and I can't get a decent vision of anything else.

This strikes me as very false. You've barely contributed anything, you're not hunting, I barely have any recollection of you at all. You used to explain your reasoning very well even if I disagreed with it, but I haven't seen, well, any of that this game.

Did you get your first scum roll?

He's been scum twice before.