M68: Guns N' Roses GAMETHREAD [hidden]

[snowy801]

Good night fellow town cops and some bad guys.

This wagon on Brain is utterly bullshit. Bbs answer to the wagon is another bullshit, which makes me puzzled.

Anyone that found weird that many roses is either scum or stupid as the rational thing to do as town is to choose a rose.

I really dislike the PE entrance and his condescending post to Brain.

I disliked Food vote on Brain as how on Earth he assumed Brain hardclaimed a gun?

I dislike Ghug and Chaqa claiming a gun, but at same time it's a bold move to do as scum.

I liked Macca's entrance.

##vote Food

None of these observations seem outrageous nor abnormal for rdr to come into a game with.

If you were to add your own early impressions on it, at this time, would you be inclined to agree or disagree with any of the statements made above?

[brainbomb]

Damo is being fairly useless today.
The problem is,
Damo being fairly useless D1 is not alignment indicative, it's just
Damo-indicative.

I dont think this tells snowy anything at all. And to be realistic— helping snowy understand why people are scum or town based on past experiences is going to reduce the time spent for him to ask us wtf were talking about.

Damo plays scum games very talkative. he tends to put his foot in his mouth. he was scunread right out the gate last game for signalling a sniper, long story, not important. but he turned into d1 elim. he claimed pr to save himself and survived. he then hopped into maf chat and guessed every town pr; he went on to get elim d2 and won mvp for outting all of towns prs. his in thread play was widely considered OBVIOUS as scum — and overall he did alot of damage to town despite being obvious as scum. he played well and helped set his team of ghug, vecna, rdrivera up for what was eventually a f3 win.

[damo666]

Thus it still remains the case that in the pool of:

Brainbomb
Ghug
Chaqa

There must be at least one scum.

Purely on the numbers I can't see a good reason to vote outside that pool today.

If all are telling the truth, yes. Town taking a n2 or n3 rose could claim gun D1 to draw the NK. I suspect at least one of these 3 have done just that.

Drawing the kill on N1 when they're not immune to the kill?

O yeah. Whatever night rose but more likely N1

[worcej]

D1ing Chaqa would actually be pretty funny since this is ostensibly his last game on WebDip Mafia because he’s been D1d too many times.

Egregious trolling.

##Vote Foodcoats

I mean, I laughed at first when he said it.

[ghug]

The point is that I shouldnt have to risk elaborating further on my item. no one else has too so neither should I. regardless of if I said I was the pope in pregame. regardless of if I said Im charlemagne, regardless of if I stripped naked on tik tok with a rose in my mouth and said “this ones for you town”.

It didnt happen in this game it was pregame jabber. you should know better than to extend the game itself into outside channels. Im not saying the case on me is illegal but it isnt fair either. I deserve to be read the same way youd evaluate anyone. Gaming the situation to eliminate me is cheap and if I was truly scum you should want a damn good reason to remove me for something scummy im actually doing. not something scummy I implied in a vaccuum elsewhere

Okay, dude, no. You can't tell other people they should know better than to extend the game into pregame chatter when you're the one who did that.

You of all people should want the game to be rooted in ingame substance

Right, and the substance I expect from you here is some contrition or at least acknowledgement that you created this situation rather than weird gaslighty hypocrisy.

[worcej]

Also I would like to perhaps start a bandwagon on

##vote Johnny Big Horse

It may be new player syndrome (I am not certain he's new, but it feels like it), but his tone seems rather off somehow

Only four posts, but such as it is:
http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g= ... ig%20Horse

##VOTE John

Players are more likely to think their team is disadvantaged, so his assumption about the rose count is a scumtell.

I also thought something was off on the entrance with the information presented.

[Hamilton Brian]

And with out number of roses, I think we win simply waiting scum out, right?

Not sure I've seen Rivera come in so emphatic on a D1 but I'd agree that the BB wagon is BS. But, stop grabbing for all that rope.

Can you elaborate on 'waiting scum out' and what you actually mean by that?

So bear with the random scrambling thinking. With the number of roses we presume to have...9 to 11, we win as long as there is one of us remaining that has a rose. That's what I meant by waiting out. Now, Rivera mentioned something that didn't necessarily clarify it for me, but made some sense.

"What's the use of a gun to town other then randomly shooting someone? Scum probably have 3 guns. Assuming worst scenario where they all kill a target, it will be down to 8 -3, which means only two miskills for town. A wrong town shot that kill another town just count as a misskill too, so why a non megalomaniac town would want to play vig and choose a gun?"

So that makes my idea of "waiting out" obsolete.

[snowy801]

So anyone NOT using a placeholder vote want to explain, or are they all temporary?

Snowy, what do you dislike about foodcoats?

I am not certain. Some combination of his early condescension and talk about percentages, combined with his later attempts to seemingly "buddy up" the new folk upset my delicate sensibilities. And as a millennial, having no tolerance or self control I tend to lash out against anything that upsets me without thought

Old lingo used to call these "gut reads" but I'm not sure this is a read at all, merely an inclination to murder

[worcej]

Anyway ##Vote worcej

Oh, I love this one - what did I possibly do to earn this vote?

[ghug]

Damo is being fairly useless today.
The problem is,
Damo being fairly useless D1 is not alignment indicative, it's just
Damo-indicative.

I dont think this tells snowy anything at all. And to be realistic— helping snowy understand why people are scum or town based on past experiences is going to reduce the time spent for him to ask us wtf were talking about.

Damo plays scum games very talkative. he tends to put his foot in his mouth. he was scunread right out the gate last game for signalling a sniper, long story, not important. but he turned into d1 elim. he claimed pr to save himself and survived. he then hopped into maf chat and guessed every town pr; he went on to get elim d2 and won mvp for outting all of towns prs. his in thread play was widely considered OBVIOUS as scum — and overall he did alot of damage to town despite being obvious as scum. he played well and helped set his team of ghug, vecna, rdrivera up for what was eventually a f3 win.

Yo I'm tired of the revisionist narrative that he caught all the PRs entirely on his own.

[worcej]

Anyway ##Vote worcej

I approve of this. Let’s rattle loose some sarcastic one-liners.

##VOTE worcej

I am trying really hard to get a one-liner for you but I got nothing but a wasted JOAT.

[damo666]

Ok. I've thunk. Or thinked.

We are probably 11 town roses v 3 maf guns or maybe 10r + 1g v 3g.

What scum with a gun is gonna claim it? I think we can either ignore the 'claims' or townread them.

Jamie's 'there must be at least 1 scum' is either very naive or blatant scum. I'll assume the latter unless he admits his naivety.

PE also looks dodgy imo.

##vote Jamie

[worcej]

Damo is being fairly useless today.
The problem is,
Damo being fairly useless D1 is not alignment indicative, it's just
Damo-indicative.

I dont think this tells snowy anything at all. And to be realistic— helping snowy understand why people are scum or town based on past experiences is going to reduce the time spent for him to ask us wtf were talking about.

Damo plays scum games very talkative. he tends to put his foot in his mouth. he was scunread right out the gate last game for signalling a sniper, long story, not important. but he turned into d1 elim. he claimed pr to save himself and survived. he then hopped into maf chat and guessed every town pr; he went on to get elim d2 and won mvp for outting all of towns prs. his in thread play was widely considered OBVIOUS as scum — and overall he did alot of damage to town despite being obvious as scum. he played well and helped set his team of ghug, vecna, rdrivera up for what was eventually a f3 win.

Yo I'm tired of the revisionist narrative that he caught all the PRs entirely on his own.

I will concure - he didn't actually catch me, I was just signaling way to hard to get food's and the rest of the town's attention.

[brainbomb]

Okay, dude, no. You can't tell other people they should know better than to extend the game into pregame chatter when you're the one who did that.

You of all people should want the game to be rooted in ingame substance

Right, and the substance I expect from you here is some contrition or at least acknowledgement that you created this situation rather than weird gaslighty hypocrisy.

thats not gonna happen. pregame chatter = signup hype. there is no greater promotional tool after personalized invites than to get excited about the setup and generate buzz. I shouldnt have to apologize for promoting vecnas game and getting people talking about his setup

[worcej]

Thus it still remains the case that in the pool of:

Brainbomb
Ghug
Chaqa

There must be at least one scum.

Purely on the numbers I can't see a good reason to vote outside that pool today.

If BB did in fact take a gun, this is true.

There exists a world where all 3 are town.

[brainbomb]

ghug just wants to fight me

[snowy801]

Ok. I've thunk. Or thinked.

We are probably 11 town roses v 3 maf guns or maybe 10r + 1g v 3g.

What scum with a gun is gonna claim it? I think we can either ignore the 'claims' or townread them.

Jamie's 'there must be at least 1 scum' is either very naive or blatant scum. I'll assume the latter unless he admits his naivety.

PE also looks dodgy imo.

##vote Jamie

I am not necessarily negating your argument, only to correct some misunderstandings:

1. There can be up to 2 town guns
2. Jamiet's argument is reliant on the conceit that scum would not claim at all, merely that brainbomb "outed" himself in a pre-game discourse which I did not personally review, and that the additional information provided by
a) the GMs, saying there are 9-11 town roses
b) Chaqa's medium-rare gun claim and ghug's alleged soft claim (2 total)

identifies brainbomb as scum.

I personally think, regardless of whether brainbomb is scum, that this merely identifies jamiet as a poor thinker, but I am not really willing to stake a position on this line yet.

[worcej]

OFFICIAL GAME INFORMATION:
Town has picked 9, 10 or 11 roses.

actually scum taking a rose would be devastating. I didnt read that this verified at minimum 9 TOWN took a rose.

.... kinda shocked you didn't make that connection considering it's the crux of why you have garnered initial attention...

[brainbomb]

this seems to be a systemic flaw with the game of mafia that people who try to produce valid reasoning for why they are being victimized makes that person look scummy for fighting back. or scummy for trying. or scummy for being agitated. scummy for explaining themself.

Well, it’s very valid reasoning to think you a good D1 flip.

33% of the time town has no guns. You hardclaimed gun in signups and are therefore scum with a gun.
66% of the time town has one or two guns and you could be either alignment but there is a 21% chance you rolled scum. That is an additional 14%.

Therefore

47% of the time, you are scum

##CALL damo
Check my maths plz

##END

I misread this as a vote for damo. Why does damo need to verify your math here?

[brainbomb]

chaqa would take a rose as scum since he dies alot.

It doesn’t protect against D1 DKs though?

kinda weird to see this post right after food votes for chaqa. and his chaqa vote suggests it would be funny to elim him in his last webdip game on d1.

this would appear to suggest that chaqa wouldnt take a rose as scum because it wouldnt help save him vs d1 elim