MAFIA 67 OFFICIAL GAME THREAD —//—//— CURSE OF THE AZURE BONDS [hidden]

[foodcoats]

Most people are on for a combination of the reasons you gave plus a preference for meaningful activity. Vecna was pure good player protection. Macca was pure read. You and rdr are mostly on there for good player protection, though you're both also playing how I would expect both of you to play as town. Worcej is mostly read with a little bump from activity and Demon is a small bit read with a bump from activity. If they're scum they've at least produced content for us to work with later.

It's worth noting that the ordering is just straight from the number of posts list (ignoring me). HB isn't on it despite his numbers because almost all his posts have been off topic.

This is actually a lot better than what scum!celaph provided last game... though it was noted post game that celaph improved their scumplay over the course of the game.

Celaph, how can you say you are protecting goodplayer!Vecna? How is Vecna a good player so far?

Had you not read this post when you made your previous post on me?

Good player Vecna is a meta thing. As town he has generally done a good job solving the game, obvtowning himself, and drawing the NK. He's null in my books right now, but I think DKing a null Vecna on D1 is a bad move.

Of course I read this post. But if Vecna is actively playing badly, is it really the right response to decide that “Vecna is good, even though they’re actively being bad, so let’s put them off the table?” Isn’t this kind of reputation based protection exactly what can be abused by scum by doing a parrot impression all D1?

As town, my reaction is more, “Gee, this bit of Vecna’s is stupid. I wish they would contribute to the game.” Not, “Good players do parrot impressions sometimes.”

So, protecting a “good player” who is actively unhelpful to town, and could be actively hiding their scumminess, does not make good sense to me.

[President Eden]

My heart was never really in it and you reminded why it's a daft idea.

Then why bring it up to begin with?

Also, random thought, anyone know what happened to bozo?

Maybe he decided he was done with us after ND left him out of a game he signed up for.

Lmao no way

[ghug]

Btw the fact I'm not suggesting anything about other people being town or scum is simply because I'm waiting to see how you experts build your deductions

Nope sorry, give your thoughts when you have them or it's harder to deduce.

I asked you a couple questions. Have you played mafia before? Are you good at Diplomacy?

[ghug]

I woke up today and my dog passed away unexpectedly in his sleep last night.

Oh man that's awful. I'm sorry.

[Perplexity]

Have fun, Prez.

[foodcoats]

My heart was never really in it and you reminded why it's a daft idea.

Then why bring it up to begin with?

Also, random thought, anyone know what happened to bozo?

Maybe he decided he was done with us after ND left him out of a game he signed up for.

I think pettiness is the thing I enjoy most about WedDip Mafia.

[ghug]

I’m not complaining, I’m trying to determine if you are scum. You spent a lot of breath to say not much of anything.

this is strange cause I was about to call celaph 'mega town' he just delivers with each post or maybe I enjoy his confidence

when will you obvtown, foodcoats?

Hate hate hate this post

[celaph]

I must say I like Celaph's criterion, but wait, on that criterion I'm dead!

Nah, you're null.

Having null reads implies you have scum reads but you only posted “shalt not be killed” reads. It also implies your “shall not be killed” reads are town reads.

Is that correct?

If so, who are your scum reads?

Nope, that's not correct. The should not be killed list is exactly what the name says on the tin, people I don't think should be killed today. They correlate with my present town reads on Macca, worcej, and to a lesser extent demon, but they are not town reads in and of themselves as I explained.

No one's done anything to really be a proper scum read, but my eyes are on lfischl, perp, you, and HB right now. I agreed with HR's comment that it's weird that lfischl is voting Perp for acting like he did as town in M64.

[ghug]

Btw the fact I'm not suggesting anything about other people being town or scum is simply because I'm waiting to see how you experts build your deductions

Nope sorry, give your thoughts when you have them or it's harder to deduce.

I asked you a couple questions. Have you played mafia before? Are you good at Diplomacy?

K I'm bad at reading you kind of answered this.

How are you a mod if you're new to Diplomacy?

[ghug]

Then why bring it up to begin with?

Also, random thought, anyone know what happened to bozo?

Maybe he decided he was done with us after ND left him out of a game he signed up for.

I think pettiness is the thing I enjoy most about WedDip Mafia.

It wasn't pettiness, just gross incompetence.

[President Eden]

I woke up today and my dog passed away unexpectedly in his sleep last night.

That’s awful brain, I’m so sorry

[brainbomb]

Garys Basement
The party reached the sewers where Otyughs ambushed them. It was a bloody fight and the dice were unkind. Gary was certain someone would die, in fact he was determined.
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Vote Count 1.2
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President Eden (2) rdrivera2005 worcej
Perplexity (2) lfischl ghug
celaph (2) Macca573 foodcoats
ghug (1) Chaqa
Chaqa (1) President Eden
damo666 (1) Vecna
e.m.c^42 (1) damo666
lfischl (1) Perplexity
foodcoats (1) DemonRHK*

End-votes (1/17): DemonRHK

Non-votes celaph, e.m.c^42, gimix, Hamilton Brian, Hellenic Riot

No one is scheduled to die
5 hours remain

e.m.c has not posted or voted and will be replaced unless all criteria are met. please do not discuss any additional penalties at this time.

[celaph]

Humor me with an explanation on rdr and ghug.

I commented on them a little later to ghug that they're mostly on here for good player protection; nothing they've done is hugely AI, but nothing makes me want to kill them. Ghug's doing his usual mix of jokes, pressuring people, sharing his thoughts. Rdr's done a decent job challenging ideas like with your early comment on Damo. He hasn't posted many reads, but I don't think that's atypical for town rdr.

So you’re just saying you know these people better and would rather kill someone you don’t know as well.

Your half right. There is obviously bias towards players I've seen play well as town consistently before. But it's more selective than strictly my experience with them. See someone like Chaqa who I've played with plenty before, but wasn't on the list.

[celaph]

I’m not complaining, I’m trying to determine if you are scum. You spent a lot of breath to say not much of anything.

this is strange cause I was about to call celaph 'mega town' he just delivers with each post or maybe I enjoy his confidence

when will you obvtown, foodcoats?

Why do you expect food to obvtown, especially this early?

[ghug]

I commented on them a little later to ghug that they're mostly on here for good player protection; nothing they've done is hugely AI, but nothing makes me want to kill them. Ghug's doing his usual mix of jokes, pressuring people, sharing his thoughts. Rdr's done a decent job challenging ideas like with your early comment on Damo. He hasn't posted many reads, but I don't think that's atypical for town rdr.

So you’re just saying you know these people better and would rather kill someone you don’t know as well.

Your half right. There is obviously bias towards players I've seen play well as town consistently before. But it's more selective than strictly my experience with them. See someone like Chaqa who I've played with plenty before, but wasn't on the list.

Are you buddying me?

[Perplexity]

Why do you expect food to obvtown, especially this early?

he can be a great leader when he has town alignment

[worcej]

Hot and spicy vote incoming.

##vote President Eden

To use something he once said about me: I expect more out of him than what is currently occurring. Being busy is fine, but still the 3 posts so far have been non-contributing.

To give him some reasonable excuse, Eden graduated law school yesterday and has a friend of ours in town as well as his family until tomorrow, so he has very very legitimate reasons to be MIA at the moment.

So are you saying I should give him a pass and move to someone else?

[worcej]

you gotta bold it, worcej and it needs to be on his own line

your vote

Actually, what it most likely was is the bot didn't recognize that 'Perp' was shorthand for you yet. After his second vote, I think the bot 'learned' it.

No, the bot doesn't learn. It has the functionality to hard code special nicknames, and otherwise allows any unambiguous prefix of at least 3 letters.

(my guess is darg might've coded it...)

[celaph]

This is actually a lot better than what scum!celaph provided last game... though it was noted post game that celaph improved their scumplay over the course of the game.

Celaph, how can you say you are protecting goodplayer!Vecna? How is Vecna a good player so far?

Had you not read this post when you made your previous post on me?

Good player Vecna is a meta thing. As town he has generally done a good job solving the game, obvtowning himself, and drawing the NK. He's null in my books right now, but I think DKing a null Vecna on D1 is a bad move.

Of course I read this post. But if Vecna is actively playing badly, is it really the right response to decide that “Vecna is good, even though they’re actively being bad, so let’s put them off the table?” Isn’t this kind of reputation based protection exactly what can be abused by scum by doing a parrot impression all D1?

As town, my reaction is more, “Gee, this bit of Vecna’s is stupid. I wish they would contribute to the game.” Not, “Good players do parrot impressions sometimes.”

So, protecting a “good player” who is actively unhelpful to town, and could be actively hiding their scumminess, does not make good sense to me.

You make good points and obviously if Vecna keeps doing this, we'll kill him. But he's had a good track record of picking his behavior up later on (see M63 and 64). I called it a meta save for a reason, it's not grounded in his behavior this game.

You seem to think I'm scum. Do you think I'm scum protecting my scum buddy Vecna or trying to win town points by defending town Vecna?

[foodcoats]

Why do you expect food to obvtown, especially this early?

he can be a great leader when he has town alignment