MAFIA 66: The Battle for Olympus - Game Thread [hidden]

[Hamilton Brian]

Speaking of items if anyone has the healing crystal you know what to do tonight.

I assume it is save dargo. But why? Why would the scum kill him? They can just non-stop RB?

Is it better to keep Darg present in the game, as mafia, or to eliminate them? The constant RB notion makes me think that the only ones left to block are Darg and WW.

[Jamiet99uk]

Speaking of items if anyone has the healing crystal you know what to do tonight.

I assume it is save dargo. But why? Why would the scum kill him? They can just non-stop RB?

Is it better to keep Darg present in the game, as mafia, or to eliminate them? The constant RB notion makes me think that the only ones left to block are Darg and WW.

What do you mean "makes you think"??

Which other PRs do you think are still present in the game??

[Jamiet99uk]

I got no gun

Why did you say this, at the exact moment of the deadline?

Referring to someone else's comment I think. Is there something bad about it?

Whose comment?
Which person?

I was present at EoD and did not notice anyone asking you if you had a gun.

[Jamiet99uk]

Is that what you wanted to know?

Yes... exactly... thank you.

While I am always glad to please you, my friend, I'd like to know - why did you ask me this, and what have you gained from my response?

[Hamilton Brian]

I assume it is save dargo. But why? Why would the scum kill him? They can just non-stop RB?

Is it better to keep Darg present in the game, as mafia, or to eliminate them? The constant RB notion makes me think that the only ones left to block are Darg and WW.

What do you mean "makes you think"??

Which other PRs do you think are still present in the game??

Werewolf is still present and lurking around in the shadows. THough not technically PR per se.

[Hamilton Brian]

Why did you say this, at the exact moment of the deadline?

Referring to someone else's comment I think. Is there something bad about it?

Whose comment?
Which person?

I was present at EoD and did not notice anyone asking you if you had a gun.

I'll see if I can find it and it is possible no one asked me directly.

[Hamilton Brian]

Maniac is just flagging to be bussed because HB can go deeper LOL.

Gotem.

Or maybe HB has a gun?

This is what I was responding to.

[foodcoats]

Maniac is just flagging to be bussed because HB can go deeper LOL.

Gotem.

Or maybe HB has a gun?

This is what I was responding to.

Lol why would you even respond here if you’re not scum?

[Hamilton Brian]

Or maybe HB has a gun?

This is what I was responding to.

Lol why would you even respond here if you’re not scum?

I really don't understand what's bad about it.

[foodcoats]

Or maybe HB has a gun?

This is what I was responding to.

Lol why would you even respond here if you’re not scum?

Like if you’re town isn’t the reaction “uhhh Maniac isn’t saving me because I’m not scum?”

Instead of “maniac is not saving me because I don’t have a gun?”

[dargorygel]

Is that what you wanted to know?

Yes... exactly... thank you.

While I am always glad to please you, my friend, I'd like to know - why did you ask me this, and what have you gained from my response?

I was (when I first asked the question) observing that when others had asked you this question, you responded with angst and frustration. Responding in that form is sometimes a scumtell for you. But I also thought that the comments/questions about your present game style were usually presented with some sense of accusation. So I thought to ask without added baggage of, "you are scum because you are acting differently-ish."

As scum, you might be expected to stick, even with my more neutral question, to your, "anyone who is questioning anything about me is evil" hat on. As town, you might acknowledge that there indeed MIGHT be some different playstyle going on... and proffer some explanation.

And that is what you presented.

I do not believe your different style is AI.

But if you continued to act angry about it... maybe I was reading/thinking incorrectly.

In light of the discussion with damo about your potential janitor-ID card... I remembered i had asked you, and not gotten a reply.

So I asked again.

[Hamilton Brian]

Or maybe HB has a gun?

This is what I was responding to.

Lol why would you even respond here if you’re not scum?

Listen, since you're into the deprecation and the ridicule, why don't you tell me how:

a) town should/would respond ...and...
b) scum should/would respond

Because frankly it wasn't even on my fucking radar that it was any off-handed thing that would be ...I don't even fucking know.

[Hamilton Brian]

And sorry for being angry and swearing; I just get so goddamned frustrated because the things that are supposedly apparent to other people aren't apparent to me.

[foodcoats]

N3 was the first night after the watcher was dead , the NK wasn't Janitored, Chaqa was blocked by Maniac, implication Janitor Chaqa was blocked.

OK, makes sense to me. I wasn't considering Watcher factor.

But damo of you were scumblocked N1 then Vecna wasn’t, so it’s reasonable scum continued to hold Janitor last night if they think binocs might be out there.

But, interesting point about Chaqa. For other reasons I cannot believe Chaqa is scum but I could obviously be wrong.

Scum!chaqa just seems unbelievably tenuous.

[rdrivera2005]

The presence of a Town Roleblocker means there definitely is a Janitor in play.

This at least explains Maniac's obsession with me being a potential Janitor.

It is unlikely that the Janitor would holster for three nights in a row and therefore it appears likely that either myself, Chaqa or Rdrivera is actually the Janitor.

It is not me because I am Town.

We should therefore consider making Rdrivera and Chaqa wagons tomorrow.

It is what Maniac would have wanted and the least we can do is show some respect for his scum-hunting judgement.

How you keep saying Maniac is a terrible player and suddenly want to honour his scum hunting judgement?
If we want to do Maniac's will we should kill you that is a the more likely Janitor. If you were Janitor that was town roleblocked N1 it's a good reason to avoid acting on the next nights to avoid suspicion.

[foodcoats]

And sorry for being angry and swearing; I just get so goddamned frustrated because the things that are supposedly apparent to other people aren't apparent to me.

Don’t worry.

Look, irrespective of your alignment, I’m town, but I’m also very bad at mafia and fallible. So don’t take it wrong. I’m just trying to come up with the best understanding i can.

[foodcoats]

The presence of a Town Roleblocker means there definitely is a Janitor in play.

This at least explains Maniac's obsession with me being a potential Janitor.

It is unlikely that the Janitor would holster for three nights in a row and therefore it appears likely that either myself, Chaqa or Rdrivera is actually the Janitor.

It is not me because I am Town.

We should therefore consider making Rdrivera and Chaqa wagons tomorrow.

It is what Maniac would have wanted and the least we can do is show some respect for his scum-hunting judgement.

How you keep saying Maniac is a terrible player and suddenly want to honour his scum hunting judgement?
If we want to do Maniac's will we should kill you that is a the more likely Janitor. If you were Janitor that was town roleblocked N1 it's a good reason to avoid acting on the next nights to avoid suspicion.

Jamie can only be scum with some combo of celaph kgray and chaqa to walk away from EOD1 with demon in the lead and those 3 plus me and vecna on RHK’s wagon.

[rdrivera2005]

Meaning, are there any players who have not had a sniff of being made a viable wagon? Why? Because they've obvtowned so hard?

I call bullshit. These people are operating right underneath us.

Yeah, I'll admit I fell into the trap of the Setup 1. It was a nice fantasy. But now? Let's put some 2s and 2s together.

Not that they have obvtowned but none of Jamie, rdr or Yav have been serious wagons.

And neither you and Kgray. What's the point on this?

[rdrivera2005]

1) I assume WW doesn’t want to help Mafia at this point
2) Likely they planned to use it later (and didn’t expect ghug to flip PR or Maniac to suicide himself as PR) or the Janitor got RB’d Night 1?

1 Yep. Good point.
2 Why would RB J N1 prevent subsequent use?

The only way this makes sense is if Jamie was Janitor, got RBd N1, and then after the RB claims they worried Jamie might be watched. (I do not think Jamie is scum, btw.)

It might also just be because they were sending the ninja, so also sending the Janitor would create more possible people to be watched and they decided it was suboptimal to use the janitor at all.

Or perhaps they didn’t want to use janitor because they thought it would help WW to get the reveals and they were hoping to get WW help.

Jamiet as Janitor makes more sense to me as any of the other theories.

[rdrivera2005]

The only way this makes sense is if Jamie was Janitor, got RBd N1, and then after the RB claims they worried Jamie might be watched. (I do not think Jamie is scum, btw.)

This scenario doesn't explain the lack of a Janitor-ing on Night 3, though, after the Watcher was dead.

Because it will still put pressure on you and me as the likely Janitor.