MAFIA 66: The Battle for Olympus - Game Thread [hidden]

[Jamiet99uk]

The only way this makes sense is if Jamie was Janitor, got RBd N1, and then after the RB claims they worried Jamie might be watched. (I do not think Jamie is scum, btw.)

This scenario doesn't explain the lack of a Janitor-ing on Night 3, though, after the Watcher was dead.

[Jamiet99uk]

Oh unless binoculars.

[Jamiet99uk]

I still want a proper answer from Bonatogether.

[damo666]

Oh unless binoculars.

This would imply scum have no item.

Let's hope town does.

[dargorygel]

Vecna's death did obv provide us with useful datapoints, more useful than I thought last night.

@damo
rdr, bona, yav, Macca

I THINK these fit with your analysis, but add
a) Jamie's meta. Other than his birthday absences, he's fighting and solving like jamie. This last night, if he had started to dig and push the way he did AFTER your analysis, it would be more sus. But if scum, I think jamie would have continued his 'quieter' mode.
b) I can't make sense of bona's continued hard push on me. I understand doubts, and am actually suspicious of those who do NOT have at least some. (like kak) but bona seems to be consistently tunneling with an ulterior motive. I'm interested in his reaction now... although i DO wish we could have watched him and his attitude towards my PR claim without the extra Jamie push.
c) My 'yav' could technically be filled with kgray, kak, or HB. What are your thoughts on those?

[dargorygel]

I also can imagine scenarios where a careful townie has the gun, but is waiting towards the end of the game to use it. This would have to be someone who has been mostly unvoted, and yet not TOO townread.

[dargorygel]

@Jamie
How would you describe your gameplay in M66?

Still interested in this answer.

[foodcoats]

I think this has already been reviewed, but...

##CALL GM

... in case ...

Is the interpretation of the WW's fear of cars such that:

1. WW targets PLAYER A as <whatever role>
2. DRIVER drives PLAYER A and PLAYER B
3. WW nonetheless targets PLAYER A as <whatever role>

[Jamiet99uk]

Oh unless binoculars.

This would imply scum have no item.

Let's hope town does.

Are you saying this because you think I am scum?
I am not scum, Damo.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Jamie
How would you describe your gameplay in M66?

Still interested in this answer.

M66 is the current game. You want me to describe to you how I am playing in this game, currently?

[dargorygel]

@Jamie
How would you describe your gameplay in M66?

Still interested in this answer.

M66 is the current game. You want me to describe to you how I am playing in this game, currently?

Yes

[damo666]

Vecna's death did obv provide us with useful datapoints, more useful than I thought last night.

@damo
rdr, bona, yav, Macca

I THINK these fit with your analysis, but add
a) Jamie's meta. Other than his birthday absences, he's fighting and solving like jamie. This last night, if he had started to dig and push the way he did AFTER your analysis, it would be more sus. But if scum, I think jamie would have continued his 'quieter' mode.
b) I can't make sense of bona's continued hard push on me. I understand doubts, and am actually suspicious of those who do NOT have at least some. (like kak) but bona seems to be consistently tunneling with an ulterior motive. I'm interested in his reaction now... although i DO wish we could have watched him and his attitude towards my PR claim without the extra Jamie push.
c) My 'yav' could technically be filled with kgray, kak, or HB. What are your thoughts on those?

I see your point re J.

Unless bona's D1 vote was a reckless diamond hard Mohs scale 10 bus I can only see him as scum if both Kak and HB also are.

I will examine Bona Kak HB + ? teams and report back. Busy at mo so will be a while but before EON.

[damo666]

Oh unless binoculars.

This would imply scum have no item.

Let's hope town does.

Are you saying this because you think I am scum?
I am not scum, Damo.

No, I'm saying if scum are scared of bins this implies they do not have an item. This is independent of whether you are scum or not.

Comprende?

[dargorygel]

@damo
I resent the implication that you have a life outside of this game.

[dargorygel]

@damo
You write: "Unless bona's D1 vote was a reckless diamond hard Mohs scale 10 bus I can only see him as scum if both Kak and HB also are."

This is sort of my observation. Others have defended him as non-scum because of this factor. Scum would not have bussed unnecessarily, we say.

But that implies a calm rational thoughtful purposeful decision. Maybe it was just knee-jerk.

And, I would expect bona to bring this up in defense of himself. But unless I missed it, he has not. He has not mentioned it. Like maybe he's sorta kinda ashamed of what might end up being an 'oops' moment.

[Jamiet99uk]

Still interested in this answer.

M66 is the current game. You want me to describe to you how I am playing in this game, currently?

Yes

Ok, well, I think this is a weird question. It's for me to play the best I can, and it's for others to judge my play and try to work out my alignment.

I'm biased because I'm me, and a lot of my involvement in the game (but by NO MEANS all of it, despite what some idiots have claimed) has sadly been discoloured by Maniac's awful play and his borderline abusive conduct towards me.

With regard to Maniac, I maintain that I was entirely justified in pushing back against him, and scumreading and voting him as I did, based on (a) the fact that he claimed to suspect me before I had even posted, (b) the fact he declared me a policy-kill who should always be killed even if I'm town, and (c) the fact that, as we now know, he was actually telling lies in order to try to get me killed. If I had to focus on him because of all that, I make no apology. His play was anti-town play and it caused me to read him as anti-town. I was not wrong. He was not playing in a pro-town way.

With regard to the rest of my play, I've honestly done my best when time has allowed. I've not been as involved as I usually am, but I'm very busy in RL, it was my 40th birthday with accompanying celebrations last week, and the pubs are back open. Plus, I was a last minute addition to the game as HR moved me up from the subs list to fill spaces. These aren't excuses, just the facts.

People claim I've been totally focussed on Maniac but I would point out that I have also:
- Questioned and called attention to Kak's voting behaviour.
- Questioned Bona and Hamilton on various odd things they've said, including Bona's insistence that you 100% were not the cop.
- Strongly pressured Macca into participating.
- Responded to and discussed your own cop claim (which you'll recall I originally did not believe, but now do).

...and now since Maniac has thankfully fucked off to the God QT (Hi, Maniac!), I have spent some of this phase explaining and thinking about my scum pool based on the information we now have.

Is that what you wanted to know?

[Jamiet99uk]

This would imply scum have no item.

Let's hope town does.

Are you saying this because you think I am scum?
I am not scum, Damo.

No, I'm saying if scum are scared of bins this implies they do not have an item. This is independent of whether you are scum or not.

Comprende?

Ah ok, yus.

[Hamilton Brian]

I got no gun

Why did you say this, at the exact moment of the deadline?

Referring to someone else's comment I think. Is there something bad about it?

[dargorygel]

M66 is the current game. You want me to describe to you how I am playing in this game, currently?

Yes

Ok, well, I think this is a weird question. It's for me to play the best I can, and it's for others to judge my play and try to work out my alignment.

I'm biased because I'm me, and a lot of my involvement in the game (but by NO MEANS all of it, despite what some idiots have claimed) has sadly been discoloured by Maniac's awful play and his borderline abusive conduct towards me.

With regard to Maniac, I maintain that I was entirely justified in pushing back against him, and scumreading and voting him as I did, based on (a) the fact that he claimed to suspect me before I had even posted, (b) the fact he declared me a policy-kill who should always be killed even if I'm town, and (c) the fact that, as we now know, he was actually telling lies in order to try to get me killed. If I had to focus on him because of all that, I make no apology. His play was anti-town play and it caused me to read him as anti-town. I was not wrong. He was not playing in a pro-town way.

With regard to the rest of my play, I've honestly done my best when time has allowed. I've not been as involved as I usually am, but I'm very busy in RL, it was my 40th birthday with accompanying celebrations last week, and the pubs are back open. Plus, I was a last minute addition to the game as HR moved me up from the subs list to fill spaces. These aren't excuses, just the facts.

People claim I've been totally focussed on Maniac but I would point out that I have also:
- Questioned and called attention to Kak's voting behaviour.
- Questioned Bona and Hamilton on various odd things they've said, including Bona's insistence that you 100% were not the cop.
- Strongly pressured Macca into participating.
- Responded to and discussed your own cop claim (which you'll recall I originally did not believe, but now do).

...and now since Maniac has thankfully fucked off to the God QT (Hi, Maniac!), I have spent some of this phase explaining and thinking about my scum pool based on the information we now have.

Is that what you wanted to know?

Yes... exactly... thank you.

[Hamilton Brian]

N3 was the first night after the watcher was dead , the NK wasn't Janitored, Chaqa was blocked by Maniac, implication Janitor Chaqa was blocked.

OK, makes sense to me. I wasn't considering Watcher factor.