MAFIA 66: The Battle for Olympus - Game Thread [hidden]

[Bonatogether]

So you can narrow down who the WW is by who does not believe I am the cop?

Why don't you tell us who it is?

lol
Because I do not know who it is.
I do not claim to know.
But you are saying that the WW is not chomping me BECAUSE I am not really the cop. But how would the WW know that? You are drawing a picture of a WW who can read my role PM better than I can.

WW can try (and almost certainly did try) but will not succeed if you are not cop. Since we can assume it failed, you know who the werewolf is.

You are attributing a reason for the WW not to eat me that is based solely on your presupposition, that I am not the cop. By your reasoning, and based on what has been presented in the room, you or macca are the best candidates for WW.

What? I am saying the WW tried to but failed since you're not the cop.

Can you explain how I am the werewolf?

I do not think you believe that.

You are just seeing nothing but neon lights DARG AIN'T COP.

I have not decided, yet, if I think that persistence is scummy.

I do.

You missed 'kgray and celaph scumteam' in that but yes.

[foodcoats]

It's really hard to say without knowing who the scumteam is...

Maybe we should flip Hamilton now for two reasons:
1. Seems like very possible scum

THAT ALSO

2. Could have been another Day 1 scum wagon, explaining the RHK->Kakarot play.

Thoughts?

Like... the problem for me is... with how townie the RHK wagon appears...

It’s not even crazy that like BOTH Kak and Ham could be scum?

I was just looking at kgray again but like

If kgray is scum

That is top pro scumming

Hamilton first, though. I feel good about Kak due to the gun play as well.

I could get on a Hamilton wagon.

[foodcoats]

Why don't you tell us who it is?

lol
Because I do not know who it is.
I do not claim to know.
But you are saying that the WW is not chomping me BECAUSE I am not really the cop. But how would the WW know that? You are drawing a picture of a WW who can read my role PM better than I can.

WW can try (and almost certainly did try) but will not succeed if you are not cop. Since we can assume it failed, you know who the werewolf is.

You are attributing a reason for the WW not to eat me that is based solely on your presupposition, that I am not the cop. By your reasoning, and based on what has been presented in the room, you or macca are the best candidates for WW.

What? I am saying the WW tried to but failed since you're not the cop.

Can you explain how I am the werewolf?

I do not think you believe that.

You are just seeing nothing but neon lights DARG AIN'T COP.

I have not decided, yet, if I think that persistence is scummy.

I do.

You missed 'kgray and celaph scumteam' in that but yes.

I’ve been mulling this over and I really disliked kgray’s EOD1 voting, her insistence that she get townie points for it, and her wolfish leap on worcej. And the awkward defences of celaph. I still have to dissect the her flum park yesterday.

But

##VOTE kgray

(And I strong townread...

Bona is your username a Napoleon joke????)

[damo666]

Food, do you remember the game with the Neighborhood where you had been the lightning rod and Jamie wouldn't tell us his role the whole game?

I feel similar this game, where some things *seem* obvious but I can't quite figure out why something feels off.

Hmmm...

Jamie is definitely off, but...

I mean I can only deduce he is scum?

I have a strong suspicion he is ww

[yavuzovic]

I had a literal shower thought just now -

Why wasn’t Dargo roleblocked Night 1, but he was on subsequent nights?

Did scum actually believe his retraction, or did they realize they needed to have scum!Darg claim RB?

That second one only works if there is another cop claimant

Another possible reason is they believed the claim and expected the WW to do the dirty job.

I think that sounds more likely compared to the first two scenarios because it's a very safe assumption that dargorygel will be consumed. Later they realised that they don't lose much by RBing dargo so he wouldn't gather investigations.
Did Dargo claim his D1 investigation?

[Bonatogether]

Setup 1: 0 roleblocker/janitor (unproven)
setup 2: 0 inventor/ninja (we know this is out)
setup 3: 0 doctor/goon (unproven)
setup 4: 0 watcher/driver (we know this is out)
setup 5: 0 journalist/godfather (we know this is out)
setup 6: 0 cop/stalker (we know this is out)

So we're either in 1 or 3. No one should be claiming to be the doc, but I think it's worth it to put the RB claimants up, especially considering how none of them have been NK'ed.

I am certain we are in Setup 3 unless there is no Town Roleblocker in which case Damo is lying.

Set up 1 would require
1) Jamie lying AND
2) rdr or darg lying AND
3) Chaqa or darg lying

This is so unlikely it can be ignored.

We are in Set Up 3

Is it though? They're not unrelated occurrences.

[Chaqa]

I had a literal shower thought just now -

Why wasn’t Dargo roleblocked Night 1, but he was on subsequent nights?

Did scum actually believe his retraction, or did they realize they needed to have scum!Darg claim RB?

That second one only works if there is another cop claimant

Another possible reason is they believed the claim and expected the WW to do the dirty job.

I think that sounds more likely compared to the first two scenarios because it's a very safe assumption that dargorygel will be consumed. Later they realised that they don't lose much by RBing dargo so he wouldn't gather investigations.
Did Dargo claim his D1 investigation?

He claimed a guilty on you.

[damo666]

lol
Because I do not know who it is.
I do not claim to know.
But you are saying that the WW is not chomping me BECAUSE I am not really the cop. But how would the WW know that? You are drawing a picture of a WW who can read my role PM better than I can.

WW can try (and almost certainly did try) but will not succeed if you are not cop. Since we can assume it failed, you know who the werewolf is.

You are attributing a reason for the WW not to eat me that is based solely on your presupposition, that I am not the cop. By your reasoning, and based on what has been presented in the room, you or macca are the best candidates for WW.

What? I am saying the WW tried to but failed since you're not the cop.

Can you explain how I am the werewolf?

I do not think you believe that.

You are just seeing nothing but neon lights DARG AIN'T COP.

I have not decided, yet, if I think that persistence is scummy.

I do.

You missed 'kgray and celaph scumteam' in that but yes.

I’ve been mulling this over and I really disliked kgray’s EOD1 voting, her insistence that she get townie points for it, and her wolfish leap on worcej. And the awkward defences of celaph. I still have to dissect the her flum park yesterday.

But

##VOTE kgray

(And I strong townread...

Bona is your username a Napoleon joke????)

It was until it fell aparte.

[damo666]

I am certain we are in Setup 3 unless there is no Town Roleblocker in which case Damo is lying.

Set up 1 would require
1) Jamie lying AND
2) rdr or darg lying AND
3) Chaqa or darg lying

This is so unlikely it can be ignored.

We are in Set Up 3

Is it though? They're not unrelated occurrences.

That's why it's unlikely. It would be such poor strategy (see Yav post above).

[Bonatogether]

I agree that Bona is a bad DK for the next couple days, but then we have to start considering a bus here especially since he's shown an ability to make plays as scum that one doesn't expect.

Why is like every other townread of me "town cause d1 but maybe not cause he does unexpected things as scum"? Like just townread me or don't.

[Bonatogether]

Alright, makes sense. Probably be good for us to drop reads with degrees of town/scum and then do some pushing around that on D4.

Basically town should be looking at myself, kgray, Chaqa, ghug, and Kakarroto, who have gotten no push at all yet.

Also, this request to have pressure thrown at himself feels really towny. I'd expect scum food to be more willing to accept that he's been widely townread and not call attention to himself.

"Hey everyone look how townie my scummate is"

[Bonatogether]

Oh shit.

Set up 1 is possible if Jamie and darg both scum.

N1 scum RBs me, Jamie fake claims

N2 scum RBs rdr, darg fake claims

N3 scum RBs chaqa, darg fake claims

This means we have

i) a cop with loads of info and would explain why Macca is voting darg (not say I shouldn't have said this, in this scenario I thik darg would have noticed)
ii) rdr and Chaqa are both either town or ww

Cop shouldn't claim today since their results may not be of much use in the current game state.

[Bonatogether]

@Chaqa, thoughts on Jamie?

Also, you're doing that thing again where you don't provide your own thoughts, you just ask questions and parrot other people. It's beginning to make me doubt your towniness.

I can quote this in response to rdr asking why I think celaph is scummy.

CELAPH NEVER MAKES READS

CELAPH KGRAY SCUMTEAMMMM

[Bonatogether]

@Chaqa, thoughts on Jamie?

Also, you're doing that thing again where you don't provide your own thoughts, you just ask questions and parrot other people. It's beginning to make me doubt your towniness.

CELAPH WHAT DO YOU THINK OF JAMIE

is your capslock on lol

[Bonatogether]

I had a literal shower thought just now -

Why wasn’t Dargo roleblocked Night 1, but he was on subsequent nights?

Did scum actually believe his retraction, or did they realize they needed to have scum!Darg claim RB?

That second one only works if there is another cop claimant

Wow it's like DARG ISN'T COP

[yavuzovic]

I would argue that lots of people are coasting this game.

Bona (at points), Celaph, Damo (until today basically), Macca, Maniac (early game especially), Yavu.

Seriously, why have we not flipped Macca and Yavu simply for lurking yet?

##Vote Macca

I don't think I'm lurking except Day 2, when I was sick.
I also don't think that Macca is lurking for the last two days.
I don't know if Chaqa is lying on purpose or we give this impression.

I would say it's just because neither of you makes much of an impression. Macca I have a vague notion of due to their weird posts and catchup style, but I really can't recall anything substantive you've done besides the JavaScript joke Day 1. Maybe I've been unintentionally missing your posts/points, but I feel like if you were contributing anything important it would have left more of a mark.

Meh, I'm pretty sure that I contributed much more than that JavaScript joke. I scumread rivera and macca as a team and maniac for his D1 vote, left reactions every time I caught up and came with theories there and there. I would place my bet on "ypu are unintentionally missing" if you are sure that you don't distort on purpose.

[damo666]

I had a literal shower thought just now -

Why wasn’t Dargo roleblocked Night 1, but he was on subsequent nights?

Did scum actually believe his retraction, or did they realize they needed to have scum!Darg claim RB?

That second one only works if there is another cop claimant

Wow it's like DARG ISN'T COP

Are you softing cop?

[Bonatogether]

I hate Bona tunneling darg but have to rule him out for Demon vote.

I’m just saying this to level myself out I guess.

Why did this not factor in your early scumlean on me?

[Bonatogether]

I’ve been mulling this over and I really disliked kgray’s EOD1 voting, her insistence that she get townie points for it, and her wolfish leap on worcej. And the awkward defences of celaph. I still have to dissect the her flum park yesterday.

But

##VOTE kgray

(And I strong townread...

Bona is your username a Napoleon joke????)

##vote kgray =D =D =D

Yeah, it is.

[Bonatogether]

Bona is your username a Napoleon joke????)

It was until it fell aparte.

lmao