MAFIA 66: The Battle for Olympus - Game Thread [hidden]

[Jamiet99uk]

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I also think Chaqa and Rdriveria are in same scum team. See my post on p150 where Chaqa refuses to vote for his scum read rdriveria when rdr was a viable wagon. I know chaqa disputes part of this but it's worth a re-read when i die.

My final scum pick is chaqa for the reason stated above.

So in summary, scum are Celaph, Jamiet, Rdriveria, Chaqa and 1 other (I'm tempted to look at Damo maybe but that's not a strong read).

Point me to where I had a scum read on rivera. You even called it a "top scum read" at one point.

You're deliberately and repeatedly lying.

Maniac has lied a number of times in this game.

[ghug]

If I were the Werewolf, you don't think I'd be keenly and uniquely aware of the cop/WW interaction, and be sure to mention it?

I said as much already. I think you're mafia.

[Chaqa]

If I were the Werewolf, you don't think I'd be keenly and uniquely aware of the cop/WW interaction, and be sure to mention it?

I said as much already. I think you're mafia.

Oh, that's fair then. I can at least understand that view.

[Maniac]

Bona: makes it Maniac 8, Flum 7. I just can't read this as anything other than misguided town.

Why is my vote especially misguided if it's TvT?

Misguided in the sense you voted for a handsome townie.

[foodcoats]

Just while I remember if I was WW I'd guess someone was VT on D1, as we only had 1 NK and no doc claim the people who were blocked N1 become prime suspects for WW.

Thoughts on Rdriveria

30 mins to go on D1 and this is the scores on the doors:

DemonRHK 4 foodcoats VECNA celaph Chaqa
Kakarroto 3 damo666 DARGORYGEL BRAINBOMB
Hamilton Brian 3 yavuzovic WORCEJ rdrivera2005
BRAINBOMB 3 ghug Hamilton Brian kgray
dargorygel 2 Kakarroto Bonatogether
Maniac 1 Jamiet99uk
Bonatogether 2 Macca573 DemonRHK
Jamiet99uk 1 Maniac

DemonRHK is about to make his move. he wants to survive, obviously, so what does he do. He has three wagons all with three votes apiece in second place. He has to be making the calculation about how he gets saved. Clearly if one of those wagons is full of scum, he isn't going to get much help in future. So he needs to pick a mainly town wagon. We now know that Kak's wagon was mainly town, so it was a good choice for him. But what does that tell us about the other two wagons? Sure they could be all town and scum were hiding on minor wagons and bussing DemonRHK, but there is also a good possibility that scum have built at least one of those counter wagons to at least give DemonRHK a chance of survival.

This is my main reason for first suspecting rdriveria. As the third placed man on Hamilton he pushed it to major wagon status. If rdriveria is scum DemonEHK would be better joining the Kak wagon and prey for rdriveria or other scum to follow him there.

Now we now know scum didn't save DemonRHK, but that doesn't mean that DemonRHK wasn't planning for a save.

Rdriveria then gets roleblocked N2. On that night there isno only one kill. Either the kill was a WW kill and Scum!Rdriveria was roleblocked from his kill or maybe Watcher!Brainbomb was killed by Scum and Janitor!Rdriveria was blocked from cleaning up. Another possibility is that WW!Rdriveria was blocked (if so thanks as I could've been the WW target N2).

I also think Chaqa and Rdriveria are in same scum team. See my post on p150 where Chaqa refuses to vote for his scum read rdriveria when rdr was a viable wagon. I know chaqa disputes part of this but it's worth a re-read when i die.

My final scum pick is chaqa for the reason stated above.

So in summary, scum are Celaph, Jamiet, Rdriveria, Chaqa and 1 other (I'm tempted to look at Damo maybe but that's not a strong read).

I underlined what might be a scum or WW slip. Maniac may have written “no scum” or “no WW” kill then edited to “only one” but messed up.

Damn. Should’ve DKed Maniac...

[foodcoats]

Sorry for that terrible formatting, on mobile.

[Kakarroto]

the vote for macca away from maniac was indeed, as I stated, to avoid a tie (I think I said 'no ties' below the vote or something like this). Also, there was the question why not to vote flum to avoid a tie. I think it was jamie that presented it, when I still was on the macca wagon, as an 'either or' choice so I thought about it and came to the conlusion, that maniac seemed more likely mafia. That put me in the 'vote for maniac not flum' mode so I didn't want to vote for flum at that point anymore. The easiest way then was to vote a third person and Macca was really fluffy before so I just sat back there.

Thinking back, that was probably what sealed flums fate probably then, so it went against my original thought of maniac vs flum, but I didn't thought that far at the time.

I think I'm softening on maniac, I had the feeling in the end it could be just two town wagons and mafia was saved earlier, though I wouldn't know if it was macca or celaph. Maybe all four are just town and we are getting played like a fiddle. Lets just see what tonight will give us and go from there.

[Jamiet99uk]

the vote for macca away from maniac was indeed, as I stated, to avoid a tie (I think I said 'no ties' below the vote or something like this). Also, there was the question why not to vote flum to avoid a tie. I think it was jamie that presented it, when I still was on the macca wagon, as an 'either or' choice so I thought about it and came to the conlusion, that maniac seemed more likely mafia. That put me in the 'vote for maniac not flum' mode so I didn't want to vote for flum at that point anymore. The easiest way then was to vote a third person and Macca was really fluffy before so I just sat back there.

You thought Maniac was likely to be Mafia so you took your vote off Maniac?

Don't you like to vote for scum?

[Chaqa]

the vote for macca away from maniac was indeed, as I stated, to avoid a tie (I think I said 'no ties' below the vote or something like this). Also, there was the question why not to vote flum to avoid a tie. I think it was jamie that presented it, when I still was on the macca wagon, as an 'either or' choice so I thought about it and came to the conlusion, that maniac seemed more likely mafia. That put me in the 'vote for maniac not flum' mode so I didn't want to vote for flum at that point anymore. The easiest way then was to vote a third person and Macca was really fluffy before so I just sat back there.

You thought Maniac was likely to be Mafia so you took your vote off Maniac?

Don't you like to vote for scum?

kak WW slip maybe?

[Maniac]

Rdriveria then gets roleblocked N2. On that night there isno only one kill. Either the kill was a WW kill and Scum!Rdriveria was roleblocked from his kill or maybe Watcher!Brainbomb was killed by Scum and Janitor!Rdriveria was blocked from cleaning up. Another possibility is that WW!Rdriveria was blocked (if so thanks as I could've been the WW target N2).

I underlined what might be a scum or WW slip. Maniac may have written “no scum” or “no WW” kill then edited to “only one” but messed up.

Damn. Should’ve DKed Maniac...

Oh well spotted. Yes the first edit was me saying their was no WW kill and thereby giving away I'm scum. You have me banged to rights...

OR - would I really ever type something like that as scum? This isn't my forst Rodeo mate.

[Hamilton Brian]

It should narrow since there's more data.

I'd like to see a post like that.

Me too; I started to work on something this morning. Maybe tonight.

[ghug]

If I die kill kgray

[Jamiet99uk]

the vote for macca away from maniac was indeed, as I stated, to avoid a tie (I think I said 'no ties' below the vote or something like this). Also, there was the question why not to vote flum to avoid a tie. I think it was jamie that presented it, when I still was on the macca wagon, as an 'either or' choice so I thought about it and came to the conlusion, that maniac seemed more likely mafia. That put me in the 'vote for maniac not flum' mode so I didn't want to vote for flum at that point anymore. The easiest way then was to vote a third person and Macca was really fluffy before so I just sat back there and by the way I'm the werewolf.

You thought Maniac was likely to be Mafia so you took your vote off Maniac?

Don't you like to vote for scum?

kak WW slip maybe?

Looks like it.

[Chaqa]

If I die kill kgray

NOM NOM NOM

[Jamiet99uk]

Rdriveria then gets roleblocked N2. On that night there isno only one kill. Either the kill was a WW kill and Scum!Rdriveria was roleblocked from his kill or maybe Watcher!Brainbomb was killed by Scum and Janitor!Rdriveria was blocked from cleaning up. Another possibility is that WW!Rdriveria was blocked (if so thanks as I could've been the WW target N2).

I underlined what might be a scum or WW slip. Maniac may have written “no scum” or “no WW” kill then edited to “only one” but messed up.

Damn. Should’ve DKed Maniac...

Oh well spotted. Yes the first edit was me saying their was no WW kill and thereby giving away I'm scum. You have me banged to rights...

OR - would I really ever type something like that as scum? This isn't my forst Rodeo mate.

But is it your first?

[ghug]

If I die kill kgray

But actually celaph

And then some combo of Jamie/Maniac/Chaqa/rd/Macca/yav in roughly that prefer.

And then kgray.

Town: bona, damo, HB, kgray

Super town: darg probably, food, kak

[Hamilton Brian]

My reads, such as they are:

Bona: town
Celaph: scum. Listening to brain, have to run with it.
Chaqa: null
Damo: null
Darg: scum. I think we’ve been scammed. Will abide with the ghug logic here and wait for a claim.
Foodcoats: town
Ghug: thought town
Jamie: scum Not playing or exhibiting themselves in a “typical” way
Kakarroto: town
Kgray: null but scumread by Flum, Vecna,
Macca: town
Maniac: town
Rivera: probably town
Yav: probably town; not holding back challenges with others. Will go back to rephrase and clarify instead of shutting arguments down.

[Maniac]

If I die kill kgray

hehe

[Jamiet99uk]

If Maniac is scum then Kak and/or Damo are scum too, and they conspired to save him.

If I die, do not forget I said this.

[ghug]

You thought Maniac was likely to be Mafia so you took your vote off Maniac?

Don't you like to vote for scum?

kak WW slip maybe?

Looks like it.

No it doesn't.