MAFIA 66: The Battle for Olympus - Game Thread [hidden]

[Hamilton Brian]

My point is that I think there are "strong scum," and our wagons are looking for "weak scum." I think there is consensus on some "strong town" reads that are very possibly wrong, and we need to push against our preconceptions as town because scum has been able to wrest the advantage that we gained D1.

Alright, makes sense. Probably be good for us to drop reads with degrees of town/scum and then do some pushing around that on D4.

[foodcoats]

I don’t think it’s moronic and I’m willing to reevaluate my stance on darg and ghug given the game state. But I think that if darg is fakeclaiming a counter claim will be made by N4. So I’m also willing to sit on it.

Why might we need to wait until N4? I can't find it now but I remember a comment someone made that if Darg survives the night (Night2?) we kill them the next day. I probably have my sequence/timeline wrong BUT it's something that has kind of been abandoned. I feel like it's better to resurrect sooner than later. We've operated under this veil of "Darg claims, town scan on Ghug" since...N2?

I think you're right to re-evaluate. That occured to me during D3.

They can continue to RB darg as long as necessary if he really is the Cop. My point is that if he is NOT the cop, the real cop will need to make that known sooner rather than later so town can act on it.

Just for clarity:

In addition to their factional kill ability, the mafia also have access to a FACTIONAL ROLEBLOCK. They may vote to send any mafia-aligned player to perform either of these actions in their QT at night, in addition to any of their individual role abilities. They may NOT send the same player to perform both factional abilities. If a player is roleblocked by the Mafia Factional Roleblock, any action they perform that night will fail. They will be informed they were roleblocked.

Continually RBing darg and trying to ping off the other PRs is the dominant strategy for them now.

[foodcoats]

My point is that I think there are "strong scum," and our wagons are looking for "weak scum." I think there is consensus on some "strong town" reads that are very possibly wrong, and we need to push against our preconceptions as town because scum has been able to wrest the advantage that we gained D1.

Alright, makes sense. Probably be good for us to drop reads with degrees of town/scum and then do some pushing around that on D4.

Basically town should be looking at myself, kgray, Chaqa, ghug, and Kakarroto, who have gotten no push at all yet.

[foodcoats]

Like Maniac you literally came out and said that you think I should always be killed at the earliest opportunity even if I'm a town PR.

Fuck you.

I wish I could kill you tonight but sadly I don't have a NK.

I think you are taking Maniac post out of context. It was a joke, maybe not a great one and a bit gross but he was giving options, one of them was that exaggeration that was obvious untrue.

Well, I don't think yesterday was TvT.
I am going to keep pushing Maniac's daykill until one of us is dead.

Jamie, can you explain with reference to the voting why you think D3 could not have been TvT? I know why you scumread Maniac independently of the votes, but maybe you can weave the narrative for me around how Maniac was scum there.

I specifically voted for Flum because I saw a rush on Maniac. So I'm interested in how you perceive that rush - or whatever you might call it, or the general "what happened" at EOD3.

[dargorygel]

Should we ask the town RBer (if there is one) to NOT RB tonight?

That way (not that they could signal whether they do, of course... but if most in the room wanted it... I'd hope they would choose not to RB) we would see if there is a town RB, and can deduce our setup.

The downside, of course, is that our town RB would not be RBing someone... but this is a worthwhile risk, yes?

[dargorygel]

to be clear... if there is one RB or no RB, we would be in set up 3.

[ghug]

This take remains moronic, Bona. If you're going to doubt darg's claim, find a better reason.

Why is it moronic? Is it cause you won't be townclear anymore?

I don’t think it’s moronic and I’m willing to reevaluate my stance on darg and ghug given the game state. But I think that if darg is fakeclaiming a counter claim will be made by N4. So I’m also willing to sit on it.

To be clear, I'm starting to find find darg's continued existence suspicious. It's just the "slip" that's BS.

We're not sorting it until there's a janit or a CC though.

[ghug]

Oh, Maniac finally made a substantial post after nearly dying?

Let's just all start town reading him.

It's such a good post, though. He listed me twice!

[ghug]

At the end of N1 Watcher!Brainbomb said "If I die honor my reads folks kill celaph, bona, and mostly ignore everything else"

Hmmmm

[dargorygel]

Ok... I keep thinking through, and if there is no RB, scum would just continue to lie, if there isn't a town RB.

[ghug]

My thoughts on Jamie

So Jamie was one of two players Roleblocked on n1. I can't see a situation where mafia don't try and clean up their kill on N1, so the absense of a kill puts damo and Jamie in the frame for being the janitor. If the janitor did visit vecna it would also make sense to roleblock vecna particularly if vecna had crumbed his role, so that would mean one of scum could fake claim roleblock.

More recently Jamie has been high up on the posting chart without really doing anything apart from pushing a lurker to contribute more (so easy for laxy scum to pick on a lurker) and engaging in a spat with me. But how real is that spat? Jamie isn't adverse to calling people names and littering his posts with expletives, and yet he appears to cry like a baby when I jokingly poke fun at him. That just seems faker than a fake barbie wearing a fake smile and a fake rolex whilst faking an orgasm. (Although I hear Ken isn't great between the sheets so you can't blame her for that).

So for being fake and in the frame for the janitor role Jamie is my 2nd scum read. I hope he feels better now I haven't forgotten him.

I agree with your read on Jamie, however...

I think we should be very cautious about drawing conclusions from the RB.

It is possible that there is NO Town Roleblock, the scum know this, and have falsely claimed being TRB'd in order to sow more confusion. We absolutely do not know for certain there even is a TRB. It may seem like a risky play by scum, but it is really not that wild, because town won't know for certain until either WW is killed and we attempt a mass-claim (which in this setup... doesn't even seem very easy or good) or the game ends.

So it is entirely feasible scum is fake-claiming TRBs.

At the very least, one of our PRs would realize this at some point, and then we'd have a good path towards catching scum. I don't think they'd do this.

[kgray]

I’m trying to theory craft a bit on how to win here. I feel like tomorrow’s wagons need to put some fresh meat into the ring or bring more active players under scrutiny. We need something like kgray versus Kakarroto or rdr versus yavu or HB versus Chaqa. If we go after Macca or Maniac I feel like we’re going to end up with still relatively limited information because these players have less activity and have been battling less with the field. (I would also love to see Celaph at the actual end of the day. He’s slipped twice now. But we can come around to him on D5.)

I’m throwing these names out more or less based on nothing. Right now these are all people I’ve been townreading. But the EOD made me feel we were TvT and I think we need something we can argue over more. We need action and high drama; we won’t catch the whole scum team by scraping the bottom of the barrel (...no offense to you scummy types).

To channel my inner worcej, we need to put some strong townies on the block so we can win as a town team in the long run. I think we can afford a higher risk set of wagons tomorrow. If we wait longer we might lose because we will get locked into townreading some strong players who may be strong wolves.

I don't disagree with you here but there are also people I'm suspicious of that haven't gotten much pressure (Jamie and yav) and I'd like them in the mix too.

[ghug]

to be clear... if there is one RB or no RB, we would be in set up 3.

Why 3 and not 5?

[Chaqa]

We also need to flip Maccarena at some point

[ghug]

We also need to flip Maccarena at some point

"Also" meaning in addition to what?

[dargorygel]

to be clear... if there is one RB or no RB, we would be in set up 3.

Why 3 and not 5?

Yeah... Could be five, too. I was thinking we were down to two. Double nvm

[kgray]

@Maniac: You have exactly one scumread, yes?

Does this mean you have magically stopped scumreading me?

I've been called away 1/4 way though the write up. Don't worry I haven't forgotten you.

I'm remarkably forgettable.

You actually are this game, though.

[kgray]

I like these wagons. I don't agree about celaph and wouldn't vote for him, but I can understand where people are coming from with his wagon. I still am opposed to voting out non-Maniac RHK voters on principle, at least for now. I'm open to voting Flum as well, though Macca is my preferred DK.

I would also vote for Jamie, Yavu, or MAYBE rivera or damo if it came down to it, but those last two are a VERY large step below the othes.

My town core atm is Bona, celaph, dargo, food, ghug, Kak, kgray.

Comfortable staying on Macca atm.

This is just one quote, but Chaqa is pretty adamant about there being 0 or max 1 busser on RHK. Chaqa brings this stance up every phase.

This sticks out really glaringly to me at this point because it’s not a townie conclusion. We don’t know WHAT happened D1 to cause scum to “screw up,” and we can’t discount that scum may have decided it was a legitimate strategy.

If Chaqa is scum he is playing really well, but obviously scum DO play well and win off such performances. I think Chaqa’s fixated town core and persistent suspicion of Maniac off a strict way of viewing the RHK wagon could be a leak in his scum game, where for example he could be scum with Maniac and celaph and is working his tail to appear obvtown and control the narrative. Chaqa hasn’t looked at me or kgray or celaph at all and just lumped us in his towncore. That is suspicious.

This is a good point, ghug brought up earlier that last time Chaqa was scum his towncore consisted of people who voted for scum D1. No idea if town!Chaqa does that also, but scum!Chaqa certainly does.

[ghug]

to be clear... if there is one RB or no RB, we would be in set up 3.

Why 3 and not 5?

Yeah... Could be five, too. I was thinking we were down to two. Double nvm

If someone feels the need to accuse darg of slipping, this one's much better (but still bad).

[kgray]

My point is that I think there are "strong scum," and our wagons are looking for "weak scum." I think there is consensus on some "strong town" reads that are very possibly wrong, and we need to push against our preconceptions as town because scum has been able to wrest the advantage that we gained D1.

Alright, makes sense. Probably be good for us to drop reads with degrees of town/scum and then do some pushing around that on D4.

Basically town should be looking at myself, kgray, Chaqa, ghug, and Kakarroto, who have gotten no push at all yet.

Well I disagree that I've gotten no push, but yeah.