MAFIA 66: The Battle for Olympus - Game Thread [hidden]

[kgray]

Care to share the hunch?

I just did.

It’s mostly based off him seeming different from normal and his VT hard claim/retraction. He also seems pretty indifferent to the DKs.

I'll reread but that shit isn't jumping out at me. Makes me feel like we could save some time if the ww claimed. What do you think about that?

Hamilton if you're the werewolf, you are welcome to claim now

[Hamilton Brian]

Hamilton if you're the werewolf, you are welcome to claim now

Same goes for you.

Speaking of werewolf and Chaqa, there was a post about the Demon wagon that Vecna put toward: ↑Chaqa: "Ghug/Kgray opportunistic wolves/mafia trying to get brain DK'd?"
And another post, here almost implying he knows RHK will flip scum.

Such a strange trail of crumbs

Vecna was really on Chaqa a lot.

[Chaqa]

Hamilton if you're the werewolf, you are welcome to claim now

Same goes for you.

Speaking of werewolf and Chaqa, there was a post about the Demon wagon that Vecna put toward: ↑Chaqa: "Ghug/Kgray opportunistic wolves/mafia trying to get brain DK'd?"
And another post, here almost implying he knows RHK will flip scum.

Such a strange trail of crumbs

Vecna was really on Chaqa a lot.

Yeah, Vecna always thinks I'm scummy, whether it's in Mafia or Among Us.

[Chaqa]

One time he was so sure I was scum we made a Chiptole bet over it.

He did pay up when he was wrong.

[Hamilton Brian]

Yeah, Vecna always thinks I'm scummy, whether it's in Mafia or Among Us.

That game runs too fast for me.

Chaqa, if someone were suspecting you, what's one thing you'd include to suggest, "It's really not me. I am town."

[Chaqa]

Yeah, Vecna always thinks I'm scummy, whether it's in Mafia or Among Us.

That game runs too fast for me.

Chaqa, if someone were suspecting you, what's one thing you'd include to suggest, "It's really not me. I am town."

I don't understand the question here

[celaph]

And damo is finally giving us some big stats. I have not taken the time to look back, but my recollection is that scummy-damo does that earlier in the process.

A brief look at M62 has Damo doing stats N2. Is that substantially earlier in your mind?

[ghug]

Celaph continues to only ask questions.

[kgray]

I am catched up. Posts incoming.

So that’s all this mighty 170 reread produced?

I got the feeling Macca is actually the correct and best to vote out today, which kinda makes me want to puke because I get what ghug was saying, Macca felt slightly town before all that to me and the response might be just town.

Then again, there are still some hours left, maybe I find something else. If I were you, Macca, I wouldn't bet on it though.

Hate this post.

[Hamilton Brian]

I don't understand the question here

What's at least one thing that you would point to about your play so far that is incontrovertibly proof of your town membership?

[foodcoats]

What are you thinking about the Yav and Rivera interactions?

Regarding Flum's deep dive, I'll have to go back to check what they concluded, but I think it's a decent exercise for any town to be doing. Did you do one, and what did you come up with?

I think yavu comes out looking better and rdr looks a little shady.

I can’t decide if Flum was making scum noise or legitimately investigating.

Can you elaborate on why you think Rivera looks shady?

You've asked me a few questions about lines of thinking that I've abandoned unfortunately.

[celaph]

Exactly

If Vecna gave someone an item that isn't a gun, he's as dead to me as he is to this game.

I wonder if the fact that various experienced players generally expect that Vecna would've given out the gun, and that in theory he was not RB'd, and that the gun has not been fired, means we could look at Vecna's townreads and identify someone who might have received it and deduce that they might be scum.

1. yavuzovic
2. bonatogether
3. ghug
4. macca573
5. rdrivera2005
6. Celaph
7. Vecna
8. damo666
9. Hamilton Brian
10. belCavendishNY
11. worcej
12. kgray
13. Chaqa
14. Maniac
15. brainbomb
16. Dargorygel
17. Kakarroto
18. foodcoats
19. DemonRHK
20. Jamiet99uk

Feeling decent about this, in different shades of green

I did not receive a gun, so in theory it would mean Kak, Chaq, rdr, ghug or yavu is scum with a gun. (In this grand conspiratorial theory against which I hold many reservations, just batting about the ideas. Also possible of course that worcej or brain died with a gun, but I really doubt that - we know worcej was observing his wagon and online before his DK and I doubt brain would holster.)

I could see town with a gun choosing to holster for a number of reasons. Is there any reason your discounting the possibility here?

[kgray]

Is this normal for Chaqa to be this engaged? It's been a long time since I played a game here.

Are you starting to doubt that your "town!Chaqa doesn't know how a Watcher works" argument will hold up?

[Hamilton Brian]

You've asked me a few questions about lines of thinking that I've abandoned unfortunately.

Does that mean you forgot them or you realized they were inaccurate?

[celaph]

@HB, yesterday you indicated a desire to leave my wagon, yet you haven't at this point. Has your read on the matter changed or can you otherwise talk about your perception?

[celaph]

The wagon on me smells like bullshit but I'm working until deadline.
##vote celaph

Something is smelly out of kgray/celaph/chaqa/rdr

Can you speak to what changed between earlier and now? I can respect a self-pres vote to some degree, but it feels a little early for that and it feels like you're trying to mask that.

[Hamilton Brian]

@HB, yesterday you indicated a desire to leave my wagon, yet you haven't at this point. Has your read on the matter changed or can you otherwise talk about your perception?

Just on it to be somewhere for right now. I had a First Post of the Morning that was a reply to ghug from last night where you might find some details. I do think my thought process around role blocks was too precocious and I feel like I've had to walk it back (scum somewhere in Darg, Damo, Jamie, Rivera).

I am troubled by the three that shared the decisive wagons, so that's where I've tried to dig today (that's Chaqa, kgray, Maniac).

[kgray]

well I had a pretty awful nightmare tonight, somethings not right, not sure if it's the game, less sleep or I'm getting ill, but I really don't like the state the game is in right now. Kinda like mafia is content. Maybe I'm wrong and they just don't want to stick out right now while they lose a member, who knows for sure.

I would like to know what kgray's thoughts are, also I want dargo to be more involved.

Especially I want to hear more from Macca, like damo posted, but a full read if possible. Any thoughts, even if they are insults against me and my reads, are also highly appretiated. If you are town, you want to do this. If you are mafia, well, I don't care.

And I want yavu answering why he thinks rd's vote looked so especially bad while saying nothing about hamilton then (the 4-3-3-3 thing as I said before).

Now I have to run to work.

I think Flum is scum, Jamie is probably scum, food I'm questioning because of the way he answered his own questions in a really vague way, like he wanted to look like he was starting a conversation but didn't want to share his own thoughts.

I don't know about Macca. I think their defiance is towny and scumreading them for not being active is silly because they never are. But I remember them struggling to post reads as scum, and they're certainly not posting them freely here, so if/when they flip I wouldn't be shocked either way.

Celaph is, imo, asking some decent questions and appears to be looking at things carefully, but is posting a lot of "I'm worried" and "I'm concerned" and has little conviction. So that makes me both worried and concerned that I made an ass out of myself yesterday saving him.

Damo seems okay to me now, I feel like Rivera and I are on the same page and I think he's town, Hamilton probably town? I still townread you but I'm sus of the way you're handling the Macca thing.

[celaph]

I'm not fond of this connection formed between damo and macca.

Going now to drink coffee.

Do you think that scum Macca would so openly follow scum Damo like that? I agree that they're both sus to some extent independently, but Damo's looked townier recently and I kinda doubt that scum Macca would be that obvious.

[kgray]

Fluminator
Bonatogether
celaph
Chaqa
damo666
dargorygel
foodcoats
ghug
Hamilton Brian
Jamiet99uk (not really, I'm just kinda mad at him rn)
Kakarroto
kgray
Macca573
Maniac
rdrivera2005
yavuzovic

These all aren't super strong, but, made to choose, this is what I'd do.

Formatting is hard, correction here.

I assume red is scum, blue town and yellow null. These seem reasonable to me. I appreciate none of them are super strong but can you provide some reasoning? One liners are sufficient.

The irony of damo asking for reasons for reads