MAFIA 66: The Battle for Olympus - Game Thread [hidden]

[dargorygel]

##vote darg

he forgot his claim

Lol
What?
Typo

[TheMadMonarch]

##vote darg

he forgot his claim

Lol
What?
Typo

That last letter? Quite a distance from where it should be.

And regardless of it's truth, a smart dargo was always going to answer this way.

[dargorygel]

##vote darg

he forgot his claim

Lol
What?
Typo

That last letter? Quite a distance from where it should be.

And regardless of it's truth, a smart dargo was always going to answer this way.

Not that kind of typo... the pre-coffee three letter abbreviation kind of typo.

You do what you gotta do, macca.

But a smart scum was always going to be looking for an easy miss-kill of a PR.

[TheMadMonarch]

Lol
What?
Typo

That last letter? Quite a distance from where it should be.

And regardless of it's truth, a smart dargo was always going to answer this way.

Not that kind of typo... the pre-coffee three letter abbreviation kind of typo.

You do what you gotta do, macca.

But a smart scum was always going to be looking for an easy miss-kill of a PR.

hmm...

I will. Probably. Frankly, if damo moves back, I'll know this isn't going anywhere and move back as well.

I might be scum, but we can all agree I'm not smart, right?

[foodcoats]

Ima gonna stay on flum (although both of demon's remaining townreads presence there make me raise an eyebrow...) for now.

I could return to Celaph.

But not Macca.

(While I understand the desire to clear that slot as a principle, I have not noticed any real logical case against him. If i missed it, please restate.)

Consider the following (*Bill Nye headshake*)

-Macca shading your cop claim is so scummy it hurts. Macca is trying to say, "You never know!" and destabilize currently widely-accepted beliefs among the town (that you are town-cop, and ghug is clear or WW or GF) when in fact we have pretty good reasons to believe this gamestate:
---We know based on setup there's a cop
---and they are not dead,
---and no one has counterclaimed.

-You are more likely telling the truth because
---If you are scum fakeclaiming, the real cop will at some point want to alert town, and
---can't wait too long at risk of being NK'd by EITHER the WW or the mafia, and
---we have enough data on dargorygel at this point that the cop revealing themselves becomes a solid trade, because we would catch you (reducing the scum team further) and get excellent additional insight from reviewing your posts, claims, and votes, as well as reactions to your claim, your posts, and your votes; plus
---they would have scans/scan attempts to share and have been RB'd, providing addition information about the RB claims.

TL;DR if you are not the cop we'll know very soon, but it's incredibly unlikely given how much there would be to unpack if someone else claimed cop.


Some folks seem to want to give Macca a pass as though their lack of activity belies an incredible mind, but their reasoning on this matter of your coppyness, which is the deepest reasoning they have offered, is very poor.

Further elucidation...

Generally, if Macca was town and wanted to help the town strategically identify scum candidates, shading the cop is pointless in the current game state. Town wants to make the best informed guesses it can in order to procedurally eliminate candidates and home in on scum. To the mind of scum, it may seem townie to say, "YOU NEVER KNOW!" because town never know, but in fact cop!dargo is one of the most likely things we can currently believe, if dargo=scum we could learn an absolute shitboatload from the real cop, and I think all this is already evident to town (and even to the better scum) because there has been no darg wagon.

I think Macca is for whatever reason unable or unwilling to put in enough effort to cover up that they are scum, and shading a PR claim is an easy path to seeming "skeptical" and therefore (to the scum mind) "town."

[TheMadMonarch]

That last letter? Quite a distance from where it should be.

And regardless of it's truth, a smart dargo was always going to answer this way.

Not that kind of typo... the pre-coffee three letter abbreviation kind of typo.

You do what you gotta do, macca.

But a smart scum was always going to be looking for an easy miss-kill of a PR.

hmm...

I will. Probably. Frankly, if damo moves back, I'll know this isn't going anywhere and move back as well.

I might be scum, but we can all agree I'm not smart, right?

In this,
damo, if you're gonna move, please do it soon. Or tell me if you're not. It's late and I wanna go to bed.

[dargorygel]

Ima gonna stay on flum (although both of demon's remaining townreads presence there make me raise an eyebrow...) for now.

I could return to Celaph.

But not Macca.

(While I understand the desire to clear that slot as a principle, I have not noticed any real logical case against him. If i missed it, please restate.)

Consider the following (*Bill Nye headshake*)

-Macca shading your cop claim is so scummy it hurts. Macca is trying to say, "You never know!" and destabilize currently widely-accepted beliefs among the town (that you are town-cop, and ghug is clear or WW or GF) when in fact we have pretty good reasons to believe this gamestate:
---We know based on setup there's a cop
---and they are not dead,
---and no one has counterclaimed.

-You are more likely telling the truth because
---If you are scum fakeclaiming, the real cop will at some point want to alert town, and
---can't wait too long at risk of being NK'd by EITHER the WW or the mafia, and
---we have enough data on dargorygel at this point that the cop revealing themselves becomes a solid trade, because we would catch you (reducing the scum team further) and get excellent additional insight from reviewing your posts, claims, and votes, as well as reactions to your claim, your posts, and your votes; plus
---they would have scans/scan attempts to share and have been RB'd, providing addition information about the RB claims.

TL;DR if you are not the cop we'll know very soon, but it's incredibly unlikely given how much there would be to unpack if someone else claimed cop.


Some folks seem to want to give Macca a pass as though their lack of activity belies an incredible mind, but their reasoning on this matter of your coppyness, which is the deepest reasoning they have offered, is very poor.

Further elucidation...

Generally, if Macca was town and wanted to help the town strategically identify scum candidates, shading the cop is pointless in the current game state. Town wants to make the best informed guesses it can in order to procedurally eliminate candidates and home in on scum. To the mind of scum, it may seem townie to say, "YOU NEVER KNOW!" because town never know, but in fact cop!dargo is one of the most likely things we can currently believe, if dargo=scum we could learn an absolute shitboatload from the real cop, and I think all this is already evident to town (and even to the better scum) because there has been no darg wagon.

I think Macca is for whatever reason unable or unwilling to put in enough effort to cover up that they are scum, and shading a PR claim is an easy path to seeming "skeptical" and therefore (to the scum mind) "town."

Thanks, foody... I understand.
The SAME thing could be concluded by a macca coming back overwhelmed and latching onto a concept that is clear and not putting mental energy because they were tired and catching up is hard.

It SHOULD have been evident.

But macca's lack of noting it could be either alignment.

However, to me, he jumped pretty quickly on my typo. (As did damo...) We'll see if it sticks.

[TheMadMonarch]

Ima gonna stay on flum (although both of demon's remaining townreads presence there make me raise an eyebrow...) for now.

I could return to Celaph.

But not Macca.

(While I understand the desire to clear that slot as a principle, I have not noticed any real logical case against him. If i missed it, please restate.)

Consider the following (*Bill Nye headshake*)

-Macca shading your cop claim is so scummy it hurts. Macca is trying to say, "You never know!" and destabilize currently widely-accepted beliefs among the town (that you are town-cop, and ghug is clear or WW or GF) when in fact we have pretty good reasons to believe this gamestate:
---We know based on setup there's a cop
---and they are not dead,
---and no one has counterclaimed.

-You are more likely telling the truth because
---If you are scum fakeclaiming, the real cop will at some point want to alert town, and
---can't wait too long at risk of being NK'd by EITHER the WW or the mafia, and
---we have enough data on dargorygel at this point that the cop revealing themselves becomes a solid trade, because we would catch you (reducing the scum team further) and get excellent additional insight from reviewing your posts, claims, and votes, as well as reactions to your claim, your posts, and your votes; plus
---they would have scans/scan attempts to share and have been RB'd, providing addition information about the RB claims.

TL;DR if you are not the cop we'll know very soon, but it's incredibly unlikely given how much there would be to unpack if someone else claimed cop.


Some folks seem to want to give Macca a pass as though their lack of activity belies an incredible mind, but their reasoning on this matter of your coppyness, which is the deepest reasoning they have offered, is very poor.

Further elucidation...

Generally, if Macca was town and wanted to help the town strategically identify scum candidates, shading the cop is pointless in the current game state. Town wants to make the best informed guesses it can in order to procedurally eliminate candidates and home in on scum. To the mind of scum, it may seem townie to say, "YOU NEVER KNOW!" because town never know, but in fact cop!dargo is one of the most likely things we can currently believe, if dargo=scum we could learn an absolute shitboatload from the real cop, and I think all this is already evident to town (and even to the better scum) because there has been no darg wagon.

I think Macca is for whatever reason unable or unwilling to put in enough effort to cover up that they are scum, and shading a PR claim is an easy path to seeming "skeptical" and therefore (to the scum mind) "town."

I do not believe I am doing a "you never know" case. If I was, the consensus would push me to trusting him.

I'm pushing a "he's a lying scumbo" case, in which, the consensus is pushing me to just let it lie.

If you're going to write a hit piece, do your research.

[dargorygel]

@Macca
Why are you waiting for damo to make your decision for you?

[TheMadMonarch]

Ima gonna stay on flum (although both of demon's remaining townreads presence there make me raise an eyebrow...) for now.

I could return to Celaph.

But not Macca.

(While I understand the desire to clear that slot as a principle, I have not noticed any real logical case against him. If i missed it, please restate.)

Consider the following (*Bill Nye headshake*)

-Macca shading your cop claim is so scummy it hurts. Macca is trying to say, "You never know!" and destabilize currently widely-accepted beliefs among the town (that you are town-cop, and ghug is clear or WW or GF) when in fact we have pretty good reasons to believe this gamestate:
---We know based on setup there's a cop
---and they are not dead,
---and no one has counterclaimed.

-You are more likely telling the truth because
---If you are scum fakeclaiming, the real cop will at some point want to alert town, and
---can't wait too long at risk of being NK'd by EITHER the WW or the mafia, and
---we have enough data on dargorygel at this point that the cop revealing themselves becomes a solid trade, because we would catch you (reducing the scum team further) and get excellent additional insight from reviewing your posts, claims, and votes, as well as reactions to your claim, your posts, and your votes; plus
---they would have scans/scan attempts to share and have been RB'd, providing addition information about the RB claims.

TL;DR if you are not the cop we'll know very soon, but it's incredibly unlikely given how much there would be to unpack if someone else claimed cop.


Some folks seem to want to give Macca a pass as though their lack of activity belies an incredible mind, but their reasoning on this matter of your coppyness, which is the deepest reasoning they have offered, is very poor.

Further elucidation...

Generally, if Macca was town and wanted to help the town strategically identify scum candidates, shading the cop is pointless in the current game state. Town wants to make the best informed guesses it can in order to procedurally eliminate candidates and home in on scum. To the mind of scum, it may seem townie to say, "YOU NEVER KNOW!" because town never know, but in fact cop!dargo is one of the most likely things we can currently believe, if dargo=scum we could learn an absolute shitboatload from the real cop, and I think all this is already evident to town (and even to the better scum) because there has been no darg wagon.

I think Macca is for whatever reason unable or unwilling to put in enough effort to cover up that they are scum, and shading a PR claim is an easy path to seeming "skeptical" and therefore (to the scum mind) "town."

Thanks, foody... I understand.
The SAME thing could be concluded by a macca coming back overwhelmed and latching onto a concept that is clear and not putting mental energy because they were tired and catching up is hard.

It SHOULD have been evident.

But macca's lack of noting it could be either alignment.

However, to me, they jumped pretty quickly on my typo. (As did damo...) We'll see if it sticks.

Dargo. Drink some coffee. It's going to make everyone's lives easier.

[TheMadMonarch]

@Macca
Why are you waiting for damo to make your decision for you?

Because, as I stated in my last post, the reason I'm not just going for you is the general consensus around me. I have a reputation for being violently wrong, so I'm waiting for someone else's approval before I do something dumb.

[Hamilton Brian]

I’ll be moving off Celaph though. I’ll explain tomorrow but I’m a simple man, I feel like it’s staring us in the face.

Why not explain now?

Doing a bunch of typing on a phone, in bed, isn't a nice way to transition to sleep.

I hate that Macca has been absent so far. I mean, really absent. Lowering the bar that EMC has set. I understand the desire to kill, but a piece of me wonders if he isn't a diversion. A miskill might be helpful for information but not when a bunch of people are on that wagon out of "policy." It stinks and is worth some more consideration.

With reference to last night's post, I am having my doubts of Celaph as scum. The VCA from Day 1 might have them as a possibility, and I am not discounting their membership on that team.

However, I am more suspicious of these following: kgray, chaqa, and Maniac. Add to that someone in the pool of Jamie, Damo, and Rivera.
The top three are around the vote movements from Days 1 and 2. The lower three due to the number of roleblock claims.

I don't like the End vote and from the looks of it, no one else does.

Obviously I need to approach this again, with some more reading, along with some other big pieces and in quick fashion.

Darg is clear as town. Ghug might be but could be hiding behind godfather or werewolf.

[dargorygel]

Your reason given for blue-ing damo was vibes. I get that. But your own brain should outweigh vibes.

[dargorygel]

I'm not fond of this connection formed between damo and macca.

Going now to drink coffee.

[dargorygel]

@macca
your attention to this detail stands in contrast with how you appear to have read in your catch-up.

[TheMadMonarch]

Your reason given for blue-ing damo was vibes. I get that. But your own brain should outweigh vibes.

Is this directed at me? If so, what exactly is your point?

[TheMadMonarch]

@macca
your attention to this detail stands in contrast with how you appear to have read in your catch-up.

I'm not being pushed to get through it really fast, or are reading at 11 o'clock after 2 nights in a row of 5 hours sleep....

[TheMadMonarch]

@macca
your attention to this detail stands in contrast with how you appear to have read in your catch-up.

I'm not being pushed to get through it really fast, or are reading at 11 o'clock after 2 nights in a row of 5 hours sleep....

Also, people are complaining about absenteeism, and I'm trying to compensate for that by putting in more work.

[Hamilton Brian]

votecheck! rd and yavu snuggle together, what a lovely relationship. bona is on kgray, who is on flum, who is on chaqa. dargo supports kgray. and then two four on ones (both not voting) where I, jamiet, chaqa and damo want Macca to do something and maniac, hamilton, food and ghug wants celaph gone.

jamie just wants to end all of this.

votecheck result! town is headless and mafia is riding the waves.

At this point I agree Macca should probably go today. We can't afford him later in the game. But it will be a dead day if we just pile on him.

##vote Flum

Reading your mentions of Flum over their entrance into the game, the vote for Flum doesn't seem very convincing.

[Hamilton Brian]

So Macca

Who are your townreads, scumreads and nullls please?

Fluminator
Bonatogether
celaph
Chaqa
damo666
dargorygel
foodcoats
ghug
Hamilton Brian
Jamiet99uk (not really, I'm just kinda mad at him rn)
Kakarroto
kgray
Macca573
Maniac
rdrivera2005
yavuzovic

These all aren't super strong, but, made to choose, this is what I'd do.

What does your colour-coding mean?