MAFIA 66: The Battle for Olympus - Game Thread [hidden]

[celaph]

If brain had watched Vecna he would have shouted from the rooftops.

Agree. Even if he saw nothing. Because if he watches Vecna, sees nobody visit, but Vecna dies, then he 100% knows it was the Ninja.

After inventor flipped we had a confirmed ninja anyways. I like the quote of his that kgray posted earlier about Darg's house being empty suggesting that he went there and saw nothing.

[Kakarroto]

Kgray, are you saying you’re voting celaph for being underwhelming town? Do you have no better place to vote than underwhelming town?

I *hope* he's underwhelming town, after I fought for him so much yesterday. But I'm not sure, because it feels a bit like he was happy to sit back and let that happen, which worries me.

I'm not passionate about any scumreads anymore...

I think Bona's unjustified defense of worcej is extremely scummy, but he kept his cool at EOD and didn't vote worcej to save himself. I've townread scum for doing similar things before, but with 2 minutes left it's pretty compelling. If he'd answer my question about worcej's D1 VCA then I'd probably check him off my list forever.... But it's still bugging me lol

Yav is skeezing me out a little. His irrelevant vote for Maniac yesterday and then chastising of Chaqa feels like someone who didn't want to get their hands dirty on a town wagon, and he was a Hamilton voter D1. The way he's scumreading Rivera for his Hamilton vote has been bothering me, because as much as Yav explains himself, I'm not seeing the difference between Rivera making Hamilton a viable wagon when Demon was leading and yav not leaving Hamilton for Demon.

Jamie's obsession with Maniac reminds me of when he was "tunneling" on his scumbuddy ghug a few games ago. I don't know if it makes sense for him and Maniac to be partners, but it's kind of the only read Jamie has given and it feels like he's hiding behind it. His ranting about darg and this recent push for Macca I think are standard Jamie things and are NAI, but overall he feels more reserved than he normally does as town. Also, regarding the janitor thing: I don't think it makes sense for scum to Janitor brain, because his Watcher soft was so obvious. I know that if brain was Janitor'd and then someone claimed Watcher, I'd be really suspicious of that claim. So while Rivera obviously *could* be the Janitor, I think it's more likely that scum tried to Janitor Vecna and got blocked, so I think Jamie or Damo is more likely.

I'm probably the most suspicious of Flum, though. I get what he was saying about Rivera just watching at EOD yesterday (and I didn't like how Rivera called me out for being on a "non-momentum" wagon instead of saving him, when he wasn't even voting to save himself), but I really didn't like Flum's refusal to vote for a relevant wagon. He was just actively not participating. And then his last-minute post complaining about not being able to break a tie was just... ick. Also, both Flum and Chaqa have been playing Mafia for a lot longer than me and I know how the Watcher works, so I think Flum's scumread of Chaqa for understanding that mechanic is fake. I also didn't like his lazy claim that I was near-obvtown for my D1 Demon vote. And celaph was also a huge part of that vote, and Flum ignoring that to sheep brain's read just seems like opportunistic piggy-backing off of town.

So yeah, ##vote flum.

Can someone make a list of the people who've stated that they were aware of brain's crumbs?

[ghug]

STOP MAKING EXCUSES
You have done nothing all game but make excuses.
Participate properly today or be killed.

Macca did tell us when they signed up that they'd have low availability the first few days.

It's been a week ...

Game days.

I'm fine with pressuring them to contribute, but it's a little disingenuous to act like it was unexpected, and the vote count has me bored.

[ghug]

##VOTE Celaph

[celaph]

Quite amusing we have a 5 strong worcej wagon with none of rdr celaph or myself on it.

What do you make of this fact and why did you choose to name these 3 people? Bona had the same number of votes as you while Maniac had just been the leading wagon and was voting worcej?

I was pointing out the flashwagon didn't seem to be a save (of those mentioned).

I didn't mention Maniac precisely because he was voting worcej.

Tbh I can't remember why I excluded Bona and included you. Probably I was just more conscious of you having been a lead wagon for a lot of the day.

I agree with your first line that it doesn't look line any of those 3 were saved though I think such a conclusion is meaningless with regard to you or I as neither of us were major wagons at the time. It's a decent look for rdr though.

I'm bothered that you seem to be skirting around the issue of Maniac here. If you're concluding that 3 people who didn't vote worcej aren't being saved, why aren't you similarly concluding that it looks like Maniac was saved? Or, if you aren't concluding that about him, why is that?

[Kakarroto]

who do you think is cop? who do you think is watcher? who is jailor? who is ninja? what do you think of someone that misses the whole game and suddenly appears just a few moments after turning to be the leading wagon?

darg
brain
Macca
Ninja

Back from the jab!
Anyway, first two seem foregone. Why Macca for Jailor? Yeah, right, that's not a thing this game. Kak and yourself doing the best to confuse me.

to be fair, that was meant to go only for macca for a fast response.

[celaph]

Quite amusing we have a 5 strong worcej wagon with none of rdr celaph or myself on it.

What do you make of this fact and why did you choose to name these 3 people? Bona had the same number of votes as you while Maniac had just been the leading wagon and was voting worcej?

What's your conclusion why Damo included those names that weren't on the Worcej wagon?

Why might I phrase it like that? Focus attention somewhere else, perhaps?

I honestly wasn't sure what his intention was with including those names. Hence why I asked. Having since seen his response, I'm worried that he was taking attention away from Maniac.

[Kakarroto]

As the two people claiming RB are Dargorygil and Rdriveria and Dargo was likely blocked by scum, then Rdr becomes prime candidate for ninja if WW did munch BB. Or WW and ninja both killed BB and Rdr was blocked from cleaning up. As we have narrowed down the set-ups a lot based on the kills to date, the janitor has been ineffectual for whatever reason and possible that reason is that they have been blocked.

How would we know if the Janitor has been ineffectual?

WHo claimed RB N1? Damo and Jamie. If both are telling the truth, how is one of the two not scum?
N2: Darg and Rivera. Again, same issue, because there's only one roleblocker per side, right?

Perhaps werewolf needs to bite one of those four?

Assuming Darg is cop, blocked by scum, Rivera by default would be scum, yes?

Is this off-base, and if so, how?

I somehow get the feeling some of your posts are just rehashes of some of my earlier ones

claimed roleblock:
d1: damo & jamiet
d2: dargo & rd

I'm pretty sure town rb was on rd and mafia rb was on dargo D2. I would love to know more about D1 but I guess that has to wait until our PR decides to.

maybe with just a little extra ...

[Kakarroto]

I'm not sure if it's that easy, but I could see that.

also yay *\o/*, pile on more to Macca

Damo and Kak

What do you think of yavu’s interactions with rdr?

What do you think of Flum’s deep dive on brainbomb crumbs?

What are you thinking about the Yav and Rivera interactions?

Regarding Flum's deep dive, I'll have to go back to check what they concluded, but I think it's a decent exercise for any town to be doing. Did you do one, and what did you come up with?

what is this question for the question, is that a direct question back?

[Kakarroto]

I don't remember

I might call bull on that. I know it's easy to lose track but I think reasons are fairly clear. I know if I answered with "I don't remember," I'd be laughed out of here. Or at least grilled unendingly.

fair point

I kinda missed bona's reply here, it was directly below foods question, must've scrolled too fast at one point. Thanks for catching that hamilton

many townpoints with the reasoning 'I don't remember', I got to remember this for next time. If you are town bona, I'll link it every time

[Kakarroto]

Care to share the hunch?

I just did.

It’s mostly based off him seeming different from normal and his VT hard claim/retraction. He also seems pretty indifferent to the DKs.

The VT hardclaim seems like someone who wasn't thinking about the werewolf at all to me.

Isn't that how the werewolf wants to be seen as?

[Kakarroto]

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[celaph]

I don't approve Macca kill, they won't be much informative and we have better candidates. Also they doesn't show up after a wagon is formed against them so they are more likely to be town I guess. I don't want to townread Macca because I have no reason, but should we really kill a lurker?

I agree with your first line, though I would rather just get a sub if they don't participate. That said, they've said they've caught up so I'm hoping that they contribute later today. That said, what do you mean they didn't show up after a wagon formed against them? The way that you are soft defending them without paying attention feels icky.

##VOTE MACCA

I think we've had quite enough of this anchoring and delaying from Macca.

mmkay... I read the bot votes, and I've seen this. What exactly do you want from me? To compromise my principles?

[Kakarroto]

You scumreading me because my vote D1 is bizarre. You also scumread Worcej?
I feel good with my vote, will probably only change if Damo become a viable wagon.

I don't scumread you because your vote D1 is bizarre, in fact, we were on the same wagon. I scumread you because you voted for HB when RHK/HB were 4/2 nd with your vote this became 4/3. Ypu created wn alternative for RHK, who is confirmed scum.
If my reason was only who you voted for, I would scumread myself as well :/

What do you think of hamilton then? also mafia? D1 he did the same thing as rd so it was 4-3-3-3 (demon - myself - hamilton - brain), in fact, by your logic, rd voted mafia (since only mafia gives more alternatives, right?)

[damo666]

What do you make of this fact and why did you choose to name these 3 people? Bona had the same number of votes as you while Maniac had just been the leading wagon and was voting worcej?

I was pointing out the flashwagon didn't seem to be a save (of those mentioned).

I didn't mention Maniac precisely because he was voting worcej.

Tbh I can't remember why I excluded Bona and included you. Probably I was just more conscious of you having been a lead wagon for a lot of the day.

I agree with your first line that it doesn't look line any of those 3 were saved though I think such a conclusion is meaningless with regard to you or I as neither of us were major wagons at the time. It's a decent look for rdr though.

I'm bothered that you seem to be skirting around the issue of Maniac here. If you're concluding that 3 people who didn't vote worcej aren't being saved, why aren't you similarly concluding that it looks like Maniac was saved? Or, if you aren't concluding that about him, why is that?

The whole point of the flippant "Quite amusing" post was that there were 5 people on it EXCLUDING people who were leading wagons at some stage (admittedly omitting Bona). Maniac was voting worcej so naturally I didn't mention him in the post. You asked why Maniac wasn't mentioned in the post and I've answered.

Whether Maniac is scum and was saved is a different issue. I'm leaning 55/45 scum.

It was a post simply pointing out there was a sudden wagon with most of the voters thereon not being major wagons themselves. Nothing more nothing less.

Both you and Bona have taken this further than warranted.

[ghug]

I just did.

It’s mostly based off him seeming different from normal and his VT hard claim/retraction. He also seems pretty indifferent to the DKs.

The VT hardclaim seems like someone who wasn't thinking about the werewolf at all to me.

Isn't that how the werewolf wants to be seen as?

Sure. It comes down to whether you read it as authentic or not. Maniac is someone who's adept at hiding his true intentions, but I think his goal in making that post was to convince us that he's town because mafia on the block there would leave a fakeclaim on the table. The VT hardclaim read more like a legitimate mistake in the heat of that, not a conscious attempt to make himself look less wolfy.

[Kakarroto]

maybe you're correct. maybe you're not as fully correct, who knows for sure.

I'm just amused that the two non-votes are the two leading wagons.

[Kakarroto]

oh, I see Macca online

did you finally catch up? If so, make your vote count.

[Jamiet99uk]

Oh Macca is here?

However, I've just come back from the pub and I am falling asleep on the keyboard. I'll care about Macca tomorrow.

##END

(also, fuck you Macca)

[celaph]

@HB, can you comment on your read of me?

Your vote and the shade you threw at my Damo question suggest that you scum read me. Your justification seems to be an assumption that BB had some mechanical info on me and I'm concerned that you're hiding behind that.