MAFIA 66: The Battle for Olympus - Game Thread [hidden]

[Fluminator]

Fine. I'm still not seeing what I think of as scum!celaph, but I admit he's been underwhelming.

##vote celaph

Kgray, are you saying you’re voting celaph for being underwhelming town? Do you have no better place to vote than underwhelming town?

I *hope* he's underwhelming town, after I fought for him so much yesterday. But I'm not sure, because it feels a bit like he was happy to sit back and let that happen, which worries me.

I'm not passionate about any scumreads anymore...

I think Bona's unjustified defense of worcej is extremely scummy, but he kept his cool at EOD and didn't vote worcej to save himself. I've townread scum for doing similar things before, but with 2 minutes left it's pretty compelling. If he'd answer my question about worcej's D1 VCA then I'd probably check him off my list forever.... But it's still bugging me lol

Yav is skeezing me out a little. His irrelevant vote for Maniac yesterday and then chastising of Chaqa feels like someone who didn't want to get their hands dirty on a town wagon, and he was a Hamilton voter D1. The way he's scumreading Rivera for his Hamilton vote has been bothering me, because as much as Yav explains himself, I'm not seeing the difference between Rivera making Hamilton a viable wagon when Demon was leading and yav not leaving Hamilton for Demon.

Jamie's obsession with Maniac reminds me of when he was "tunneling" on his scumbuddy ghug a few games ago. I don't know if it makes sense for him and Maniac to be partners, but it's kind of the only read Jamie has given and it feels like he's hiding behind it. His ranting about darg and this recent push for Macca I think are standard Jamie things and are NAI, but overall he feels more reserved than he normally does as town. Also, regarding the janitor thing: I don't think it makes sense for scum to Janitor brain, because his Watcher soft was so obvious. I know that if brain was Janitor'd and then someone claimed Watcher, I'd be really suspicious of that claim. So while Rivera obviously *could* be the Janitor, I think it's more likely that scum tried to Janitor Vecna and got blocked, so I think Jamie or Damo is more likely.

I'm probably the most suspicious of Flum, though. I get what he was saying about Rivera just watching at EOD yesterday (and I didn't like how Rivera called me out for being on a "non-momentum" wagon instead of saving him, when he wasn't even voting to save himself), but I really didn't like Flum's refusal to vote for a relevant wagon. He was just actively not participating. And then his last-minute post complaining about not being able to break a tie was just... ick. Also, both Flum and Chaqa have been playing Mafia for a lot longer than me and I know how the Watcher works, so I think Flum's scumread of Chaqa for understanding that mechanic is fake. I also didn't like his lazy claim that I was near-obvtown for my D1 Demon vote. And celaph was also a huge part of that vote, and Flum ignoring that to sheep brain's read just seems like opportunistic piggy-backing off of town.

So yeah, ##vote flum.

The wagons were 3-4-4 when I said I wasnt moving off rdr. It was absolutely a relevant wagon and you're now in the pretty long list of people shading that wagon as it was forming.

[ghug]

It's my 40th birthday though so I'm kinda drunk.

Happy birthday. ... YOU ARE YOUNGER THAN JAMIET?!?!?!?

I regret this joke

[ghug]

It's my 40th birthday though so I'm kinda drunk.

Happy birthday. ... YOU ARE YOUNGER THAN JAMIET?!?!?!?

Ghug is Bo_Sox's older brother.

They went to college with Chaqa and Bozotheclown.

Jamie please remember that you're supposed to be setting a standard for the community and try to avoid such vulgar and hurtful personal attacks.

[ghug]

Alright, I've read it all. However, I've been awake for 20 hours and am falling asleep on the keyboard. I got a bunch of posts lined up, I'll type 'em and pop 'em tommorow morning.

Soryy for the absence.

(also, fuck you Jamie)

Not acceptable.

##END

Jimmit's scum.

[Hamilton Brian]

Anyway, what do you make of my theory that you, me and rdr are good Janitor candidates? And if I am to believe you it's rdr. Quite happy to vote rdr.

What makes for a "good" janitor candidate?

Anyway, reading that, Janitor has a target. If that target dies (so this requires mafia to kill someone, and the janitor will know who that is). Janitor finds out the role AND items they held, BUT that role is not revealed with the EoN announcement. Does it get posted as Vanilla Townie?

So could Worcej have been Janitored?

[ghug]

Macca you signalled at the start you wouldn't be able to participate very much until midway into D2. It is now midway into Day THREE and you're saying things like "oh I'm too busy to post because it's ANZAC day".

Fuck ANZAC day.

Sub out if you can't participate.

I'm at page 131. I will be with you soon.

As scum, I like to be fully caught up and consider the state of the thread before I post. As town, I don’t care.

I completely understand having outside game commitments, but I do think Macca is delaying making any authoritative statements in a way that town wouldn’t feel the need to do.

Macca often does this when they get behind, for what it's worth.

[ghug]

Fine. I'm still not seeing what I think of as scum!celaph, but I admit he's been underwhelming.

##vote celaph

Kgray, are you saying you’re voting celaph for being underwhelming town? Do you have no better place to vote than underwhelming town?

I *hope* he's underwhelming town, after I fought for him so much yesterday. But I'm not sure, because it feels a bit like he was happy to sit back and let that happen, which worries me.

I'm not passionate about any scumreads anymore...

I think Bona's unjustified defense of worcej is extremely scummy, but he kept his cool at EOD and didn't vote worcej to save himself. I've townread scum for doing similar things before, but with 2 minutes left it's pretty compelling. If he'd answer my question about worcej's D1 VCA then I'd probably check him off my list forever.... But it's still bugging me lol

Yav is skeezing me out a little. His irrelevant vote for Maniac yesterday and then chastising of Chaqa feels like someone who didn't want to get their hands dirty on a town wagon, and he was a Hamilton voter D1. The way he's scumreading Rivera for his Hamilton vote has been bothering me, because as much as Yav explains himself, I'm not seeing the difference between Rivera making Hamilton a viable wagon when Demon was leading and yav not leaving Hamilton for Demon.

Jamie's obsession with Maniac reminds me of when he was "tunneling" on his scumbuddy ghug a few games ago. I don't know if it makes sense for him and Maniac to be partners, but it's kind of the only read Jamie has given and it feels like he's hiding behind it. His ranting about darg and this recent push for Macca I think are standard Jamie things and are NAI, but overall he feels more reserved than he normally does as town. Also, regarding the janitor thing: I don't think it makes sense for scum to Janitor brain, because his Watcher soft was so obvious. I know that if brain was Janitor'd and then someone claimed Watcher, I'd be really suspicious of that claim. So while Rivera obviously *could* be the Janitor, I think it's more likely that scum tried to Janitor Vecna and got blocked, so I think Jamie or Damo is more likely.

I'm probably the most suspicious of Flum, though. I get what he was saying about Rivera just watching at EOD yesterday (and I didn't like how Rivera called me out for being on a "non-momentum" wagon instead of saving him, when he wasn't even voting to save himself), but I really didn't like Flum's refusal to vote for a relevant wagon. He was just actively not participating. And then his last-minute post complaining about not being able to break a tie was just... ick. Also, both Flum and Chaqa have been playing Mafia for a lot longer than me and I know how the Watcher works, so I think Flum's scumread of Chaqa for understanding that mechanic is fake. I also didn't like his lazy claim that I was near-obvtown for my D1 Demon vote. And celaph was also a huge part of that vote, and Flum ignoring that to sheep brain's read just seems like opportunistic piggy-backing off of town.

So yeah, ##vote flum.

Can someone make a list of the people who've stated that they were aware of brain's crumbs?

[ghug]

kgray/celaph scumteam

Is there specific information you think kgray is refusing to acknowledge that suggests she is scum with celaph?

viewtopic.php?p=236393#p236393

What do you think of her sudden reversal on him today?

[Hamilton Brian]

Brian, why do you think scum would AVOID you as a wagon?

Several players have been shading you since D1. If you are town, wouldn’t scum look for the opportunity to drive a miskill on you? Why not?

Responded to this already in a reply to kgray.

[ghug]

I scumread kgray a lot though???

Just because you think I'm celaph's teammate, or for other reasons also?

I think you and celaph are both scum. Celaph is scum because of bad D1 VCA, fluffy n1 posts, kinda sorta scumslip, and being on at EoD2 and not doing anything.

You have done a lot of kinda weird defenses of him. Weirdly defending scum!celaph makes you look very scum.

Ergo, kgray/celaph scumteam

##VOTE Bona

I told you to stop with the links.

[ghug]

I think you and celaph are both scum. Celaph is scum because of bad D1 VCA, fluffy n1 posts, kinda sorta scumslip, and being on at EoD2 and not doing anything.

You have done a lot of kinda weird defenses of him. Weirdly defending scum!celaph makes you look very scum.

Ergo, kgray/celaph scumteam

Alright Bona, you absolutely have to explain to me how worcej's D1 voting is townier than celaph's, who helped mobilize the Demon wagon. I will literally never get over this if you can't.

Also, I defended Celaph a fair bit on D2, yet Bona has never mentioned this.

Jamie/bona not scum together.

[Bonatogether]

Is there specific information you think kgray is refusing to acknowledge that suggests she is scum with celaph?

viewtopic.php?p=236393#p236393

What do you think of her sudden reversal on him today?

It's scum-motivated. There is no other possible explanation, because she is scum.

More seriously, it does look fishy. Perhaps too close an association between the two and they need to split?

[Hamilton Brian]

kgray/celaph scumteam

Why do you think that? Think they're playing off one another?

I am about to leave to get my first vaccination; I'll check in when I'm back.

[Bonatogether]

Just because you think I'm celaph's teammate, or for other reasons also?

I think you and celaph are both scum. Celaph is scum because of bad D1 VCA, fluffy n1 posts, kinda sorta scumslip, and being on at EoD2 and not doing anything.

You have done a lot of kinda weird defenses of him. Weirdly defending scum!celaph makes you look very scum.

Ergo, kgray/celaph scumteam

##VOTE Bona

I told you to stop with the links.

This is the dumbest vote I've ever seen.

lmfao

[kgray]

Fine. I'm still not seeing what I think of as scum!celaph, but I admit he's been underwhelming.

##vote celaph

I don't know if I've seen this sort of ...ambivalence? Not sure of the word I am looking for, but it just seems like you were resistant and dragged to this conclusion on Celaph.

Anyway, I see you're on Flum and I haven't caught on to why you switched.

I am resistant. I really do not want to have spent all of D2 tunneling on town!worcej and defending scum!celaph.

[ghug]

viewtopic.php?p=236393#p236393

What do you think of her sudden reversal on him today?

It's scum-motivated. There is no other possible explanation, because she is scum.

More seriously, it does look fishy. Perhaps too close an association between the two and they need to split?

Doesn't that just call attention to it, though?

I don't understand why scum kgray ever does that with scum celaph.

[kgray]

You know what, ##vote bona and I'm not moving this until you explain why you thought worcej's D1 vote was towny. You won't get off my back for my townread of celaph but I don't think your townread of worcej was genuine. None of the reasons you gave held up to questioning, and you're avoiding this question so much that I cannot think of any reason for you to not answer it except that you know it was a BS reason in the first place. I think you were jumping on brain's read and looking for reasons to switch to celaph's wagon. And I think my assuming you wouldn't have the nerve to stay off your counter wagon at EOD is dangerously underestimating you.

[kgray]

I'm probably the most suspicious of Flum, though. I get what he was saying about Rivera just watching at EOD yesterday (and I didn't like how Rivera called me out for being on a "non-momentum" wagon instead of saving him, when he wasn't even voting to save himself), but I really didn't like Flum's refusal to vote for a relevant wagon. He was just actively not participating. And then his last-minute post complaining about not being able to break a tie was just... ick. Also, both Flum and Chaqa have been playing Mafia for a lot longer than me and I know how the Watcher works, so I think Flum's scumread of Chaqa for understanding that mechanic is fake. I also didn't like his lazy claim that I was near-obvtown for my D1 Demon vote. And celaph was also a huge part of that vote, and Flum ignoring that to sheep brain's read just seems like opportunistic piggy-backing off of town.

So yeah, ##vote flum.

The wagons were 3-4-4 when I said I wasnt moving off rdr. It was absolutely a relevant wagon and you're now in the pretty long list of people shading that wagon as it was forming.

I was shading his wagon well before you said that, because it apparently formed because he voted Hamilton D1 and of the three on Hamilton, he was the least scummy to me. I remember it being Bona vs worcej for longer, so maybe it's not fair to say you stayed on an irrelevant wagon, but it's still pretty gross that you spent your last post complaining about how difficult it was to post.

[Bonatogether]

kgray/celaph scumteam

Why do you think that? Think they're playing off one another?

I am about to leave to get my first vaccination; I'll check in when I'm back.

What do you mean playing off each other?

[kgray]

Anyway, what do you make of my theory that you, me and rdr are good Janitor candidates? And if I am to believe you it's rdr. Quite happy to vote rdr.

What makes for a "good" janitor candidate?

Anyway, reading that, Janitor has a target. If that target dies (so this requires mafia to kill someone, and the janitor will know who that is). Janitor finds out the role AND items they held, BUT that role is not revealed with the EoN announcement. Does it get posted as Vanilla Townie?

So could Worcej have been Janitored?

Janitors don't work on DKs? And it would just not reveal the role, not say it was VT.