MAFIA 66: The Battle for Olympus - Game Thread [hidden]

[foodcoats]

Macca you signalled at the start you wouldn't be able to participate very much until midway into D2. It is now midway into Day THREE and you're saying things like "oh I'm too busy to post because it's ANZAC day".

Fuck ANZAC day.

Sub out if you can't participate.

I'm at page 131. I will be with you soon.

As scum, I like to be fully caught up and consider the state of the thread before I post. As town, I don’t care.

I completely understand having outside game commitments, but I do think Macca is delaying making any authoritative statements in a way that town wouldn’t feel the need to do.

[foodcoats]

scumteam guess #3

yav Macca Flum Maniac

WW food

I'm not sure if it's that easy, but I could see that.

also yay *\o/*, pile on more to Macca

Damo and Kak

What do you think of yavu’s interactions with rdr?

What do you think of Flum’s deep dive on brainbomb crumbs?

[Bonatogether]

many townpoints for yavu

wha..? I ... wha...? reading that the first time I was sure he was mafia, rereading that a few times that went away but I still don't that post. What makes this towny for you? Please help me understand that.

I don't remember

[foodcoats]

If this is true, I will take back what I said about Maniac wagon

I can see how the Watcher might deduce the Doctor, but how could he decide who the Journalist is, Maniac?

The Journalist's action is a visit.

Right, but how would one decide, “that visit I saw, I think it was a JOURNALIST visit.” What is the logical deduction?

[damo666]

What do you make of this fact and why did you choose to name these 3 people? Bona had the same number of votes as you while Maniac had just been the leading wagon and was voting worcej?

I was pointing out the flashwagon didn't seem to be a save (of those mentioned).

I didn't mention Maniac precisely because he was voting worcej.

Tbh I can't remember why I excluded Bona and included you. Probably I was just more conscious of you having been a lead wagon for a lot of the day.

Why? I had more momentum at EoD - celaph only lost votes after T-3:54

I don't really understand your question. Why what?

[kgray]

What I know is that brain seemed pretty confident about scum celaph, and I'm seeing a different celaph, so I want to kill him.

Fine. I'm still not seeing what I think of as scum!celaph, but I admit he's been underwhelming.

##vote celaph

Kgray, are you saying you’re voting celaph for being underwhelming town? Do you have no better place to vote than underwhelming town?

I *hope* he's underwhelming town, after I fought for him so much yesterday. But I'm not sure, because it feels a bit like he was happy to sit back and let that happen, which worries me.

I'm not passionate about any scumreads anymore...

I think Bona's unjustified defense of worcej is extremely scummy, but he kept his cool at EOD and didn't vote worcej to save himself. I've townread scum for doing similar things before, but with 2 minutes left it's pretty compelling. If he'd answer my question about worcej's D1 VCA then I'd probably check him off my list forever.... But it's still bugging me lol

Yav is skeezing me out a little. His irrelevant vote for Maniac yesterday and then chastising of Chaqa feels like someone who didn't want to get their hands dirty on a town wagon, and he was a Hamilton voter D1. The way he's scumreading Rivera for his Hamilton vote has been bothering me, because as much as Yav explains himself, I'm not seeing the difference between Rivera making Hamilton a viable wagon when Demon was leading and yav not leaving Hamilton for Demon.

Jamie's obsession with Maniac reminds me of when he was "tunneling" on his scumbuddy ghug a few games ago. I don't know if it makes sense for him and Maniac to be partners, but it's kind of the only read Jamie has given and it feels like he's hiding behind it. His ranting about darg and this recent push for Macca I think are standard Jamie things and are NAI, but overall he feels more reserved than he normally does as town. Also, regarding the janitor thing: I don't think it makes sense for scum to Janitor brain, because his Watcher soft was so obvious. I know that if brain was Janitor'd and then someone claimed Watcher, I'd be really suspicious of that claim. So while Rivera obviously *could* be the Janitor, I think it's more likely that scum tried to Janitor Vecna and got blocked, so I think Jamie or Damo is more likely.

I'm probably the most suspicious of Flum, though. I get what he was saying about Rivera just watching at EOD yesterday (and I didn't like how Rivera called me out for being on a "non-momentum" wagon instead of saving him, when he wasn't even voting to save himself), but I really didn't like Flum's refusal to vote for a relevant wagon. He was just actively not participating. And then his last-minute post complaining about not being able to break a tie was just... ick. Also, both Flum and Chaqa have been playing Mafia for a lot longer than me and I know how the Watcher works, so I think Flum's scumread of Chaqa for understanding that mechanic is fake. I also didn't like his lazy claim that I was near-obvtown for my D1 Demon vote. And celaph was also a huge part of that vote, and Flum ignoring that to sheep brain's read just seems like opportunistic piggy-backing off of town.

So yeah, ##vote flum.

[kgray]

Also I like all the wagons except macca rn, so I'll ##vote kgray in order to make that wagon a thing.

I really hate this thing you do where you don't vote your top scumread, but instead you vote in order to try to make the wagons close.

It's fine as a tactic sometimes, but to openly do it constantly is kind of annoying.

I scumread kgray a lot though???

Just because you think I'm celaph's teammate, or for other reasons also?

[Bonatogether]

Fine. I'm still not seeing what I think of as scum!celaph, but I admit he's been underwhelming.

##vote celaph

kgray/celaph scumteam

Is there specific information you think kgray is refusing to acknowledge that suggests she is scum with celaph?

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[Bonatogether]

I was pointing out the flashwagon didn't seem to be a save (of those mentioned).

I didn't mention Maniac precisely because he was voting worcej.

Tbh I can't remember why I excluded Bona and included you. Probably I was just more conscious of you having been a lead wagon for a lot of the day.

Why? I had more momentum at EoD - celaph only lost votes after T-3:54

I don't really understand your question. Why what?

Why were you more conscious of celaph being a lead wagon when his wagon was dead?

[kgray]

Macca you signalled at the start you wouldn't be able to participate very much until midway into D2. It is now midway into Day THREE and you're saying things like "oh I'm too busy to post because it's ANZAC day".

Fuck ANZAC day.

Sub out if you can't participate.

I'm at page 131. I will be with you soon.

As scum, I like to be fully caught up and consider the state of the thread before I post. As town, I don’t care.

I completely understand having outside game commitments, but I do think Macca is delaying making any authoritative statements in a way that town wouldn’t feel the need to do.

fwiw Macca has always done this. They catch up and write posts in new tabs and then post them all at once when they've finished reading. It's admittedly weird, but it's NAI for them.

[damo666]

scumteam guess #3

yav Macca Flum Maniac

WW food

I'm not sure if it's that easy, but I could see that.

also yay *\o/*, pile on more to Macca

Damo and Kak

What do you think of yavu’s interactions with rdr?

What do you think of Flum’s deep dive on brainbomb crumbs?

1) Could be a bit of theatrics but I'm warming a bit to rdr. I think yav is scum thinking he can push an rdr miskill and rdr voteback a bit of OMGUS

2) I've already said a lot about brain. Maybe Flum is trying to generate false thoughts. Both Flum and Yav feature in my guess above as I'm sure you have noted.

Any ww thoughts?

[kgray]

kgray/celaph scumteam

Is there specific information you think kgray is refusing to acknowledge that suggests she is scum with celaph?

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What about that bothers you?

[damo666]

Why? I had more momentum at EoD - celaph only lost votes after T-3:54

I don't really understand your question. Why what?

Why were you more conscious of celaph being a lead wagon when his wagon was dead?

I think "a lot of the day" explains it.

[Bonatogether]

I really hate this thing you do where you don't vote your top scumread, but instead you vote in order to try to make the wagons close.

It's fine as a tactic sometimes, but to openly do it constantly is kind of annoying.

I scumread kgray a lot though???

Just because you think I'm celaph's teammate, or for other reasons also?

I think you and celaph are both scum. Celaph is scum because of bad D1 VCA, fluffy n1 posts, kinda sorta scumslip, and being on at EoD2 and not doing anything.

You have done a lot of kinda weird defenses of him. Weirdly defending scum!celaph makes you look very scum.

Ergo, kgray/celaph scumteam

[Bonatogether]

Is there specific information you think kgray is refusing to acknowledge that suggests she is scum with celaph?

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What about that bothers you?

kgray/celaph scumteam bothers me tbh

It's a paragraph of nothing but crud. Which posts did you like? How is his play different from before being outed scum that one game?

[Hamilton Brian]

Good morning.

Last page was 183 so I'll start and work my way to here.

More traction on Macca; strictly policy or combo policy/vibes?

Happy birthday ghug!

[Bonatogether]

I don't really understand your question. Why what?

Why were you more conscious of celaph being a lead wagon when his wagon was dead?

I think "a lot of the day" explains it.

but his wagon got 1 vote within 4 hours of EoD. Did you not pick up on this at all? Did you miss all of the votes on me?

[kgray]

I scumread kgray a lot though???

Just because you think I'm celaph's teammate, or for other reasons also?

I think you and celaph are both scum. Celaph is scum because of bad D1 VCA, fluffy n1 posts, kinda sorta scumslip, and being on at EoD2 and not doing anything.

You have done a lot of kinda weird defenses of him. Weirdly defending scum!celaph makes you look very scum.

Ergo, kgray/celaph scumteam

Alright Bona, you absolutely have to explain to me how worcej's D1 voting is townier than celaph's, who helped mobilize the Demon wagon. I will literally never get over this if you can't.

[Jamiet99uk]

Jamie's obsession with Maniac reminds me of when he was "tunneling" on his scumbuddy ghug a few games ago. I don't know if it makes sense for him and Maniac to be partners, but it's kind of the only read Jamie has given and it feels like he's hiding behind it. His ranting about darg and this recent push for Macca I think are standard Jamie things and are NAI, but overall he feels more reserved than he normally does as town. Also, regarding the janitor thing: I don't think it makes sense for scum to Janitor brain, because his Watcher soft was so obvious. I know that if brain was Janitor'd and then someone claimed Watcher, I'd be really suspicious of that claim. So while Rivera obviously *could* be the Janitor, I think it's more likely that scum tried to Janitor Vecna and got blocked, so I think Jamie or Damo is more likely.

I have a number of things to say about this:

It is not entirely accurate to say I have only given a read on Maniac. In particular my "rant" about Darg was accompanied by a scumread on him, which I even backed up with a vote. I also declared a townread on Celaph yesterday.

Currently I also scumread Bonatogether. I think his constant thing of voting the second or third wagon to try to make two close wagons al the time, kinda looks like him trying to mimic something he previously did as town.

I do need to update my reads on other people, that's fair enough.

If I was the Janitor, you think the Mafia sent two people to Vecna but didn't attempt to roleblock him?

Why, as Janitor, having been roleblocked and knowing I was the Town Roleblocker's target (because I would know who my own team's RB target was), would I claim the roleblock?

[Jamiet99uk]

Just because you think I'm celaph's teammate, or for other reasons also?

I think you and celaph are both scum. Celaph is scum because of bad D1 VCA, fluffy n1 posts, kinda sorta scumslip, and being on at EoD2 and not doing anything.

You have done a lot of kinda weird defenses of him. Weirdly defending scum!celaph makes you look very scum.

Ergo, kgray/celaph scumteam

Alright Bona, you absolutely have to explain to me how worcej's D1 voting is townier than celaph's, who helped mobilize the Demon wagon. I will literally never get over this if you can't.

Also, I defended Celaph a fair bit on D2, yet Bona has never mentioned this.