MAFIA 66: The Battle for Olympus - Game Thread [hidden]

[Hamilton Brian]

I like the defenses of Maniac and Celaph.
I'd be voting Damo out of the three, but I think we should wait one more round until we potentially get a better grip on scum roleblocking shenanigans.

##Vote Rdr

Although I think yav is still a good kill, especially if they're replacing out. (Get better soon yav)

What stands out to you in their defenses that others might be missing?

Why Rivera?

Are you using someone else's list, or your own?

[foodcoats]

This is an interesting day for voting, very fun.

All three votes on rdr look... weak. Maniac, damo, Flum, care to make a proper case?

[kgray]

Townread worcej, for having the actually solid idea that darg had to have read the setup and all that

Chaqa said the thing about darg reading the setup, not worcej. And I can't believe that could be enough of a reason to list someone as your top townread anyway. Very not-sharp, Bona.

[Bonatogether]

I could also join a bona wagon.

Do it lol

[Bonatogether]

Townread worcej, for having the actually solid idea that darg had to have read the setup and all that

Chaqa said the thing about darg reading the setup, not worcej. And I can't believe that could be enough of a reason to list someone as your top townread anyway. Very not-sharp, Bona.

It's not in order.

[Bonatogether]

@Bonatogether: If I switch to Celaph will you switch to Maniac?

Why?

[Bonatogether]

This is interesting analysis, Jamie. You leave out that I think there’s a solid read on scum!celaph but that’s beside the point I suppose.

The most interesting thing for me here is how Bona is acting. Bona was pretty adamant D1 about how he can read celaph. So we’d expect Bona to firm up his read in one direction or another and cite clear evidence, because celaph is his specialty. Instead, Bona isn’t evolving in reads and is just pushing more “formally,” voting celaph to pressure him or create wagon competition rather than because he scumreads him.

That is very interesting indeed.

Given how Demon linked celaph and Bona in his reads, I wonder if Bona and celaph might both be scum. It’s a bit out there because I think there are strong reasons to townread bona but bona also seems a little too methodical and cutting.

b) Wagon competition between Tv? is interesting and worthwhile because it gives a lot of VCA.

You can't copy/paste kgray's stuff and pass it off as yours dude

[Bonatogether]

Ok, I'm on page 75 and I will not make it up before EOD. So for now, I will leave a vote on ##VOTE dargorygel . Basically, I don't like what he did with the whole claim thing, a thought that will be better expressed when my posts come out.

Goodnight, and I'll see you tomorrow!

Wow, really? I thought you were available for this half of D2. Very scummy to leave us with shit all from you with 7 hours to go.

It's not scummy to have real life. This seems like someone trying to set up an easy vote later.

[kgray]

Celaph is obviously town, since scum would *never* advise sheeping me. But really, I'm not getting scumvibes from celaph. He was so obviously scummy to me when he was scum and I'm not seeing that here. Also, @brain, I see what you're saying about him feeling like he had to bus Demon when I voted him, but I think it's also possible he just thought I was right? And being hedgy isn't scummy.

if this were true he couldve just said his rhk vote was inspired by you. and it wouldve been a very sincere way to dismiss my charge that he panic bought in that you were menacing over rhk

True, although he did say when he voted that he liked the people on Demon's wagon more, and I wasn't getting the feeling that he felt forced to do it at the time. I can't find if/when he addressed this part of your case against him.

[damo666]

This is an interesting day for voting, very fun.

All three votes on rdr look... weak. Maniac, damo, Flum, care to make a proper case?

I don't have a strong case against rdr (or anyone for that matter) but through a process of elimination there are only 3 people left I am willing to vote for, namely rdr, yav and Flum. Flum's willingness to vote the other 2 rules him out so we have rdr or yav. Yav is voteless and sick so rdr it is.

[kgray]

to this point I dont think celaph has credited you with his reason for voting rhk at all. hes been pretty silent on the issue. even in his reads list of you where he has you as top town I dont recall him saying you inspired his rhk push

Oh, yeah you say here that he didn't address it.

@celaph, can you address this?

[brainbomb]

town celaph would easily be able to change my mind

[Bonatogether]

Can anyone comment on whether this is typical of HB? To me it looks like scum struggling to find something to say and so doing gymnastics to look active.

I'd say it's pretty typical.

wow really I would never have guessed you'd have said that

[kgray]

Townread worcej, for having the actually solid idea that darg had to have read the setup and all that

Chaqa said the thing about darg reading the setup, not worcej. And I can't believe that could be enough of a reason to list someone as your top townread anyway. Very not-sharp, Bona.

It's not in order.

Top 3 then, fine. My point stands.

[brainbomb]

its really hard for me to shut up when you keep asking me questions. I dont feel like celaph ever addressed my scumread. Maniac is making sense and at least seems to know whats going on.

im sort of in the camp that darg is scum here or fake and foodcoats has TMI of such matters so hes hardsiding with town jamie to look redeemable.

You're scum read for the most part has been an activity thing which is a rather weak argument. I think your criticism earlier about me not being solvey earlier today was a better argument and not one that I'll change by saying "yes I was solvey" when I know I had been a little lazy.

this looks like totally ignoring my accusation. to assume my scumread was volume based is a very off mischaracterization

[Maniac]

This is an interesting day for voting, very fun.

All three votes on rdr look... weak. Maniac, damo, Flum, care to make a proper case?

Weak! I'll have you know my case against Rdriveria comes with a copperbottomed guarantee that Rdr is scum.

[Bonatogether]

Not interested in taking over this thread again, so here's where I'm at after catching up this morning:

I don't love that Maniac hasn't yet made a post that I've read and hated, because I think he's done that every time he's been town. Otherwise I don't really know what's been so scummy about him. His analysis of the kak vs Hamilton wagons was very similar to what I was thinking about them, but I don't think I get the feeling that he's just mimicking me. But really weird that he addressed Jamie claiming RB but not damo, as others mentioned.

Damo continues to fly below the radar, and I think that's pretty standard scum!damo.

I can't get over Yav's refusal to join Demon's wagon but them him scumreading Rivera for voting *with him* on Hamilton.

Bona's disappeared entirely, and so has my townread of him.

I'm absolutely convinced worcej is scum, and if you just go back and read it's very obvious how he's intentionally manipulating what I said and lying about what happened just to start stuff and distract from the fact that he has (basically) no reads. I was going to try to calmly lay out a case but I can't read through that again atm, and I doubt anyone else wants me to keep talking about it anyway. Plus it seems like his tactic of getting aggressive to get himself townread has worked, so he's not getting traction today regardless.

Brain and kak are clearly town.

Celaph is obviously town, since scum would *never* advise sheeping me. But really, I'm not getting scumvibes from celaph. He was so obviously scummy to me when he was scum and I'm not seeing that here. Also, @brain, I see what you're saying about him feeling like he had to bus Demon when I voted him, but I think it's also possible he just thought I was right? And being hedgy isn't scummy.

I really doubt Macca would stubbornly vote for darg after brain tells them darg's the cop if they're scum. I don't remember them ever really going against the grain as scum, they were generally too timid to even put reads out.

Re: me, no comment

Re: celaph, but that's exactly why scum would advise sheeping you. I would do it if I were scum simply because you think this way and it would get me to be 'obviously town.' This is not a reason to townread celaph to any degree. It is outright scummy, in my view. Also, 'he was so obviously scummy to me when he was scum' is patently false. You spent days claiming he was town (and I spent those days bashing my head into a wall because he was so obviously scum)

I disagree about Macca, since I don't think they've been around for a lot of the time.

[brainbomb]

kgray — This feels like normal town kgray. She’s succinct, precise, asking the right questions. She needs to start giving herself more credit for her play. gl town and sheep kgray. :)



This doesnt even say anything about your pushes on RHK

[Bonatogether]

Chaqa said the thing about darg reading the setup, not worcej. And I can't believe that could be enough of a reason to list someone as your top townread anyway. Very not-sharp, Bona.

It's not in order.

Top 3 then, fine. My point stands.

Ok, fine. I still townread him.

[Bonatogether]

##vote rdr