MAFIA 66: The Battle for Olympus - Game Thread [hidden]

[foodcoats]

Thank god someone can read.

Oh shit LOL.

Explain please

I thought brain was scumreading Macca and you were fighting for a null!Macca. In fact brain townread Macca based on meta and you are arguing it is null. That's far less spicy.

I went back and read everything prepared to toot the horn on how great I am but I actually suck.

[Chaqa]

Chaqa attempting to share insights must be scum

Nah I just don't want to get Day 1'd again, still salty about that.

I got a miskill out of it and now I'm getting the desired behavior in the next game. 10/10 would do again.

It's easier for me to stay engaged when discussion is relevant and not ridiculous. So far this game, I can follow most of what's going on with some ease.

[Bonatogether]

Well, I'm not sure what I think any more. I guess it's all NAI and I should've listened to myself saying, "this looks like TvT."

##UNVOTE

You can't say everything in that conversation was NAI and meaningless that easily - how would brain and I say the same exact things regardless of alignment pair?

[Chaqa]

Have you ever played with scum Bona before and if not then what are you basing this off? In M64, Bona made it far with a lot of seemingly too scummy to be scum behavior.

If I have played with scum!bona, I don't remember it super well. I've played a LOT of Among Us with bona, though, and if his behavior is at all similar, he wouldn't do something like this. As scum he sorta just tunnels on someone.

It also usually doesn't work if I come under pressure.

Yeah, that's completely fair lol

I always feel bad about the vote, even when I know it's right...

[kgray]

I kinda hate this Bona wagon. I don't mind brain's vote, but food and darg just hopped right on and scumread Bona based off something that didn't happen. And they both tried justifying their scumreads too, which I don't see how they could be doing honestly without reading what happened and realizing their premise is nonsense.

[kgray]

I kinda hate this Bona wagon. I don't mind brain's vote, but food and darg just hopped right on and scumread Bona based off something that didn't happen. And they both tried justifying their scumreads too, which I don't see how they could be doing honestly without reading what happened and realizing their premise is nonsense.

Oh, well this still applies I think.

[Bonatogether]

If I have played with scum!bona, I don't remember it super well. I've played a LOT of Among Us with bona, though, and if his behavior is at all similar, he wouldn't do something like this. As scum he sorta just tunnels on someone.

It also usually doesn't work if I come under pressure.

Yeah, that's completely fair lol

I always feel bad about the vote, even when I know it's right...

My one scum game my defense was trash the second I got a serious accusation after like, d2, but I couldn't have done much anyways.

[ghug]

I kinda hate this Bona wagon. I don't mind brain's vote, but food and darg just hopped right on and scumread Bona based off something that didn't happen. And they both tried justifying their scumreads too, which I don't see how they could be doing honestly without reading what happened and realizing their premise is nonsense.

I don't like it as a wagon, but the voters seen OK.

[foodcoats]

Well, I'm not sure what I think any more. I guess it's all NAI and I should've listened to myself saying, "this looks like TvT."

##UNVOTE

You can't say everything in that conversation was NAI and meaningless that easily - how would brain and I say the same exact things regardless of alignment pair?

Sorry... I think you are trying to speak to someone who is more linguistically precise than I am. As you can see I just missed the difference between "Macca is town" and "Macca is scum." You might think I'm writing a dissertation or a five-paragraph essay, when in fact I'm just riffin'.

But, I don't want you to misunderstand me. So, to explicate as clearly as possible how my previous post was written, as my fingers interacted with my brain...

I was thinking, "Wait... brain didn't argue that Macca was scum! So bona was just saying... don't slot him as town just yet!" and then I thought, "Damn, bonatogether might be right: Macca's stuff maybe is all NAI!" - even though that was not something I had ever been thinking about in the first place, as I was more concerned with "why is bona trying to shift brain from scum!Macca to null!Macca?" (which was wrongly founded) (and I only thought, "maybe bona is right" because I thought "bona was not acting in scumdefense mode - he was acting in a supportive-analysis mode") - and I was ALSO thinking, "Now that I actually understand what was said, maybe it IS TvT, and bona is town! So I should unvote."

I dunno, bona, a lot of stuff goes on and I try to put it down as I can, but I'll slow down and try to be more clear on my thoughts

[kgray]

I kinda hate this Bona wagon. I don't mind brain's vote, but food and darg just hopped right on and scumread Bona based off something that didn't happen. And they both tried justifying their scumreads too, which I don't see how they could be doing honestly without reading what happened and realizing their premise is nonsense.

I don't like it as a wagon, but the voters seen OK.

I don't think the votes were okay at all and it makes me very suspect of the voters.

[foodcoats]

I don't like not having a vote so I will go to where my guts are gutting at:

##VOTE worcej

[Bonatogether]

I don't like not having a vote so I will go to where my guts are gutting at:

##VOTE worcej

why worcej? He hasn't done much, but there's a ton of people like that?

[Hamilton Brian]

@foodcoats

Now I understand how it feels to read my writing in these games.

[Hamilton Brian]

I don't like not having a vote so I will go to where my guts are gutting at:

##VOTE worcej

why worcej? He hasn't done much, but there's a ton of people like that?

Yeah, doing the quick read of Worcej I'd say it's pretty ambivalent. Nothing leading either way.

[ghug]

I kinda hate this Bona wagon. I don't mind brain's vote, but food and darg just hopped right on and scumread Bona based off something that didn't happen. And they both tried justifying their scumreads too, which I don't see how they could be doing honestly without reading what happened and realizing their premise is nonsense.

I don't like it as a wagon, but the voters seen OK.

I don't think the votes were okay at all and it makes me very suspect of the voters.

I'm getting town vibes from food, and darg seems the sort to make that mistake after others have.

[foodcoats]

I don't like not having a vote so I will go to where my guts are gutting at:

##VOTE worcej

why worcej? He hasn't done much, but there's a ton of people like that?

Yeah, doing the quick read of Worcej I'd say it's pretty ambivalent. Nothing leading either way.

Several reasons. Built up over time.

1. Calling brainbomb scum for saying wise things. I don't like people calling down other people for trying to help town, because the circuitous argument of "scum can pose as town by trying to help town, therefore helping town is scummy" is stupid and counterproductive, but - it's obviously jokey, and his first post, so I can write this off. Well within worcej's meta.

2. Calling D1 boring and using that as a method to disengage. It's an approach that could be covertly encouraging everyone to disengage ("this is boring, don't play, I'm not going to, why are you?"), or provide cover by making laziness seem borne of wisdom ("I have played many games and I know D1 is irrelevant, therefore... let's all have a nap"), both of which are scum-motivated. D1 is still important for everyone to play because of the data it gives us for later. But, still, jokey, within-meta. Hmm...

3. Where the previous comments become the groundwork for something truly scummy is worcej offhandedly claiming my meta is to lurk. That's dead wrong. I know worcej plays in probably every game, and I've only played in a handful, but - if worcej truly doesn't remember that I'm, like, the opposite of a lurker - worcej is also probably smart and experienced enough to know that he doesn't actually know; but he paints it as though he does know, with certainty, that I lurk. When kgray confronts him, he says people blend together for him, and he may have confused me with flash. I just... don't see how that's possible, as I probably write more in one post than flash does in a whole game, and flash has played in quite a few games and should be well-known to worcej. So this seems like worcej lazily scum-spewing, getting caught, and giving a lazy answer.

4. Finally, advocating that voting out players who are strong as scum is a legitimate strategy. Maybe it is a legitimate strategy, but I remember very clearly from several games with worcej that he gets really worked up about working hard for town and how no one player matters for town. Now, this seems to jive with "we can vote that person out because they are strong as scum, so let's make sure they are not scum by voting them out," except that the discussion was also considering kgray in particular and how she is strong as both alignments. So worcej in this context is subtly advocating for a kgray votekill, even though town should, theoretically, be both wary and cooperative of a player who can do good things for town, even if she can also do good things for scum.

I did mention early on that I am cautious of voting worcej D1 because I find his D1s scummy even when he's town (I've said this in other games, too, I'm quite sure) but there is a chain of things here that looks like he's trying to prod bad decisions out of town. Normally he's just plain jokey I'd say, and off the cuff and random, but here he is actively proposing information and strategies that should be obviously wrong to a player of his competence.

[brainbomb]

so I think if I were to rewind and go with first scumread first instinct id just go for yav. although kak on reread mostly just pep talked macca on how to interpret the role lesser gods play in helping titans

[DemonRHK]

so I think if I were to rewind and go with first scumread first instinct id just go for yav. although kak on reread mostly just pep talked macca on how to interpret the role lesser gods play in helping titans

Interesting. Why do you like yavu as a vote here? I tend to scumread him, but that is because I do not have the highest opinion of yavu's play, but I have to admit his...antics...do at least provide points of discussion.

[ghug]

so I think if I were to rewind and go with first scumread first instinct id just go for yav. although kak on reread mostly just pep talked macca on how to interpret the role lesser gods play in helping titans

Interesting. Why do you like yavu as a vote here? I tend to scumread him, but that is because I do not have the highest opinion of yavu's play, but I have to admit his...antics...do at least provide points of discussion.

If my dog had left this post, I'd be required by law to pick it up and dispose of it.

[brainbomb]

im more concerned with kak than yav