MAFIA 66: The Battle for Olympus - Game Thread [hidden]

[foodcoats]

Maniac's post...meh, not significant to conclude town/not town.

Damo? Meh, but points some fingers at brain and Chaqa.

Kakarotto? Hmm.

RDR. Not the typical entrance I feel like I remember from them.

Macca: that opening was weird, strangely enthusiastic, but then descends into book discourse.

Demon: not sure how I feel about the opening. Points finger at Bona but then seems to double down on the set-up.

yavu: interesting start. kind of synonymous with Demon.

celaph: is that some early pocketing happening?

ghug: ambivalent about their start. The vote seems to be nothing more than a placeholder until the temperature gets colder.

The remaining 8 players have posted much more so it'll be a longer read from me, but I'd say there's at least 1 scum/wolf in the above group.

At first this looked not very compelling to me, but I really like your point that "I'd say there's at least 1 scum/wolf in the above group." I'm sure someone else will swoop in and say that's trite or whatever but I actually think that's a fair point worthy of consideration, especially on D1.

Two players haven't posted at all, but I would tend to agree that in the block of "blasé participation" there is probably at least one enemy. I have my personal thoughts about the players in your list but as a heuristic for town to look at today, it's a good starting point.

[celaph]

Scum tick. If you think player X is scum defending scum player Z, you should vote Z first, because X could be town defending scum incorrectly. Logically you should want to vote Macca, not bona.

Why is town wrongfully defending scum more common than scum white knighting though?

Why would scum!bona go out on a limb to defend town!Macca???

Have you ever played with scum Bona before and if not then what are you basing this off? In M64, Bona made it far with a lot of seemingly too scummy to be scum behavior.

[celaph]

@bona

Derp, I see you voted for celaph.

Am I included in your scum list at the moment because your later comment suggested that I'm not?

[ghug]

You don't get townpoints for this anymore.

bit boring of a response that sort of feels like its coming from a place of "I guess I -have- to do this".

Boring votes deserve boring responses.

Ok kgray is scum.

[kgray]

This is a scumtell from you bona. for a number of reasons.

but the most important reason is that you are fighting tooth and nail to keep a player as a null when you should be seeking to prove that player is town or scum by any means necessary.

this arbitrary use if logic and judgement mirrors how you played as scum in m64 where you would argue just for the sake of asinine page filling arguments.

##vote bona

This looks like some classic TvT to me. But it is also interesting that Bona wants to defend Macca so hard... I would expect town to flip it and say brain is scum fabricating a reason to vote, rather than defending.

Macca and Bona scum team?

##VOTE bonatogether

I don't like this post. Bona isn't defending Macca, he's rejecting brain's townread of Macca. And I really get the feeling you're trying to find a wagon that will get momentum rather than trying to find scum.

##vote foodcoats

[celaph]

yea I was working up to my vote and its going to be dramatic, shocking and will turn this game upside down.

This suggests that you had a vote in mind before you and Bona's argument. Care to elaborate on the matter?

[DemonRHK]

Maniac's post...meh, not significant to conclude town/not town.

Damo? Meh, but points some fingers at brain and Chaqa.

Kakarotto? Hmm.

RDR. Not the typical entrance I feel like I remember from them.

Macca: that opening was weird, strangely enthusiastic, but then descends into book discourse.

Demon: not sure how I feel about the opening. Points finger at Bona but then seems to double down on the set-up.

yavu: interesting start. kind of synonymous with Demon.

celaph: is that some early pocketing happening?

ghug: ambivalent about their start. The vote seems to be nothing more than a placeholder until the temperature gets colder.

The remaining 8 players have posted much more so it'll be a longer read from me, but I'd say there's at least 1 scum/wolf in the above group.

At first this looked not very compelling to me, but I really like your point that "I'd say there's at least 1 scum/wolf in the above group." I'm sure someone else will swoop in and say that's trite or whatever but I actually think that's a fair point worthy of consideration, especially on D1.

Two players haven't posted at all, but I would tend to agree that in the block of "blasé participation" there is probably at least one enemy. I have my personal thoughts about the players in your list but as a heuristic for town to look at today, it's a good starting point.

"There is at least one scum in this half of the game" Is not an earthshattering take.

[celaph]

moving macca to town based on these subjective and reachy findings.


use this formula
town macca : uses exclamations
scum macca : doesnt

If Macca doesn't respond to this with at least 3 exclamations I'll be disappointed.

[ghug]

I just thought you seemed super comfortable

Fine. I am comfortable. Is it bad?

rdr, you are surprisingly defensive so early in the game when brainbomb merely called you "comfortable." Why do you think you need to fight this so hard? I don't think brain has even said you are scummy.

This feels kinda coachy.

[ghug]

Does anyone remember any game damo played as mafia? How was he? I find his messages detailed and careful but in a towny way. I guess I have town vibes from him.

Damo and I were scum two games in a row awhile back. If he's scum, just keep an eye out for his arguments to make no sense.

This happens when he's town too.

[kgray]

foodcoats is at the center of the action. seems to move with the flavor of the moment, in rapture with whatever next lead or talking point arises. food is navigating the game both reactively and in a pathfinder method. on the one hand he seems to flit around like a butterfly, he also seems to believe the things being presented to him in a way that he never dismisses with any arbitrary or untown mindset.
he is essentially playing follow the leader with uncertainty as to who the leader is or what talking point deserves his vote most.

very towny but easy to mistake as overly ancy scum

How is it towny to just believe things that are presented to you? Town should be a lot more skeptical than scum.

It doesn't bother you that he's following you around a lot?

[ghug]

I'm noticing foodcoats keeps asking a lot of "would X player do this?" or "does Y player play like this as scum?" type questions, which to me seems like an easy way to make yourself look like you're hunting that pushes the work from you to others. I find it is a pretty common scum tactic.

Chaqa attempting to share insights must be scum

[kgray]

I dont know who top town is right now from scums point of view. but it probably isnt kgray so far

Pretty sure you're the only person who's ever been scum and thought I was "top town" lmao

[Bonatogether]

@bona

Derp, I see you voted for celaph.

Am I included in your scum list at the moment because your later comment suggested that I'm not?

I'm on the fence but leaning town

[ghug]

This is a scumtell from you bona. for a number of reasons.

but the most important reason is that you are fighting tooth and nail to keep a player as a null when you should be seeking to prove that player is town or scum by any means necessary.

this arbitrary use if logic and judgement mirrors how you played as scum in m64 where you would argue just for the sake of asinine page filling arguments.

##vote bona

This looks like some classic TvT to me. But it is also interesting that Bona wants to defend Macca so hard... I would expect town to flip it and say brain is scum fabricating a reason to vote, rather than defending.

Macca and Bona scum team?

##VOTE bonatogether

How is Bona defending Macca? Brain is townreading them and Bona is refusing to accept the logic for the townread.

[ghug]

Quick hot take (caveat emptor) but I like what brain, chaqa, and bona are putting down. The caveat is that it could be so much attention paid to meta and the logic or relying/not relying on such that it's a clear distraction from hunting. I don't know, but I don't think I'd put a vote on any of them this early on.

Prithee, upon whom shall thee put a vote?

shalt thou*

[ghug]

or D: hunting for a werewolf (who need to narrow down roles?)

I implied IF he began narrowing down PR he might BE the werewolf and we should kill him.
Thats not really hunting for werewolf is it?

I am aware people like to imply that third party hunting is an occupation scum like to preoccupy themself with. And I know from experience that it is a valid practice to try to nab all the PR and the 3p as scum.

What gives me pause and makes me nervous is how easily you defended me but failed to acknowledge that I wasn't hunting 3p. I made an off the cuff remark. pretty size-able difference in my opinion.

Mentioning it as the option that was left out (and what you were very obviously doing imo) does not equal defending.

Stating the obvious that scum would also be interested in finding the wolfy did not seem needed. Its completely nai anyways, and I doubt you'd ever be blatantly doing it as scum anyway.

(also, I actually think youre town here. Probably wasnt feeling it very strongly yet back then, but im gonna use it as a reason now to justify my actions).

Hate hate hate these two posts from Vecna.

[ghug]

Macca opens with some weak post.
Brain accuses macca of opening with some weak post.
(This is pretty normal drive by brain stuff. Macca had not written enough to cause a disertation. Brain did not write one. Just scatter shot)
Bona went overboard defending macca.
If macca is scum, we could see bona as defending, and vote macca.
But we don't see enough from macca to even guess
So.
I find bona suspicious for his over the top defense.
Not sure yet what to think of macca.
But bona could be setting up a "look good" if macca flips town.

I can go here.
##vote bonatogether

How are you making this mistake too? Brain is the one saying Macca is town.

[ghug]

it was ghug who accused macca of a scummy opening post. not me.

bona replied to ghug no its NAI and ghug accepted that answer without much discussion.

No, it was Vecna. I'm also on the path of null.

[celaph]

Regarding Brain and Bona's argument:

There are moments that it feels like Brain is trying to fit data to match his argument. First it's that scum Macca doesn't use exclamations and then it's that scum Macca's explanations come only at the end. And they only come at the end because they are afterthoughts which makes more sense as scum. There is certainly a difference, I'm just not buying that the difference is causal right now.

That said, I'm a little bothered by how little Bona seems to have taken from the interaction. At best he managed a "brain is mildly scummy for it the whole thing" when prompted.