Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

[Vecna]

wait, that doesnt actually give them auto. phew

[rdrivera2005]

I just realized we never figured out what happened to the alien containment field, and scum might simply have auto at this point

I talked about this last day, until Ghug told me that obviously Alien Bob couldn'thave it. I think it doesn't work with hammers, but didn't check with GM.

[Maniac]

@rdriveria

If you are able to post to the phones QT and if I’m able to I will respond.

[dargorygel]

##call gm

since our daylight savings also started last night, and im a dum-dum.......EON WHEN?

...around eleven hours from now.
(The bot gives this information, too.)

[Jamiet99uk]

##call gm

since our daylight savings also started last night, and im a dum-dum.......EON WHEN?

...around eleven hours from now.
(The bot gives this information, too.)

Who are you, and what have you done with President Eden?

[Jamiet99uk]

We're still waiting for Jamie, Fox and possibly vecna to gives us their reads on who they think the last scumbo is.

Ghug > Rdrivera > Maniac in that order.

[Vecna]

@ ghug

Who do you think are my most likely scum partner? If/when I flip town, how would you reevaluate or not your conception of the scum team?

HR, lfischl, brain, Bunny, thamrick all look like they could have tried to save you; I'd expect at least two scum in that group. If you flip town, I know they didn't try to save you, and whether I can draw anything from the VCA comes down to Jamie's role. If yesterday was TvTvT, all I've got is vibes, which is a little fledgling townpool of Bob, emc, Maniac, Jamie, and I suppose brain.

this was an interesting post

[Vecna]

Im not into a thamrick elim under any circumstance. worcej meh, maybe

How could you possibly have a strong opinion on thamrick already?

thamrick and I go wayyyy back. weve run rpgs together we have tore up the galaxy together. he is my soul brother and I see good in him

This actually put brainbomb in a tough spot to answer as well. Would Ghug call out brainbomb on purpose here after he does a typical brainbomb thing and lists 2 scum mates?

[Foxcastle]

@fox if youre scum and not about to die, id just like to remind you that tomorrow is the last chance for you to prove that youre a townclear (on a person that isnt worcej obviously).

Im assuming scum tried to kill you last night so they could guarantee it today, but just in case.

I'm just as likely to be scum as you are, Vecna. Which is to say, yes, it's technically possible, but why are we spending much time on it?

I am pretty sure I will die before endgame without having used the ritual power. So long as Rdr or I die, the alien threat is eliminated, and I think mechanically clearing myself to get from 92% likely town to 100% town is not worth it when I can instead at least take a couple shots at denying scum a NK.

[Vecna]

@fox if youre scum and not about to die, id just like to remind you that tomorrow is the last chance for you to prove that youre a townclear (on a person that isnt worcej obviously).

Im assuming scum tried to kill you last night so they could guarantee it today, but just in case.

I'm just as likely to be scum as you are, Vecna. Which is to say, yes, it's technically possible, but why are we spending much time on it?

I am pretty sure I will die before endgame without having used the ritual power. So long as Rdr or I die, the alien threat is eliminated, and I think mechanically clearing myself to get from 92% likely town to 100% town is not worth it when I can instead at least take a couple shots at denying scum a NK.

oof, this suggests you were not targetted by scum last night.....

Which sort of increases your chances of being scum significantly

[Vecna]

After rereading all of Ghugs iso, im sort of pocketed by the past. I convinced myself again I was probably wrong and that he's sort of blatantly town......

Which normally always means he's scum, but I still think he's town. Classic mistake? probably.

He sure did interact a lot with brainbomb and bunny. He did have a convenient foxcastle scumread at a time where it couldve been used to save Tham....But it all feels like pretty natural towny progression.

[dargorygel]

##call gm

since our daylight savings also started last night, and im a dum-dum.......EON WHEN?

...around eleven hours from now.
(The bot gives this information, too.)

Who are you, and what have you done with President Eden?

There is no President Eden. There never has been a President Eden. There never will be a President Eden. OR Oceania.

(Thanks, Eden for stepping up and helping. REALLY thanks.)

[Vecna]

Rdrivera on reread during D2-D3 also looks really solid though. Almost too solid?

If he is scum he bussed pretty much his entire team in extreme rapid fire:

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g= ... rivera2005

pew-pew-pew taking shots at every single scum person that we know has flipped so far. Taking serious shots at em as well. Real bad shading.

Second thought: Is scum really this indignant over the gm's if Rdrivera is scum? EMc, town, modkilled N1. Rdrivera, scum, avoided modkill D1 after missing the vote. Brainbomb was pissed early on, due to the Thamrick thing. Much more likely he is that indignant if a town Rdrivera also escaped death. Much harder to be really indignant there if a town was modkilled and a scum escaped death.

The only thing about Rdrivera giving me pause: His tone has been so angry all game. Totally in line with the other scum.

[Vecna]

Did scum really somehow figure out darg had provided wrong information in thread in their little scum QT to fabricate this claim, and managed to blast both town PRs without a reveal? Thatd be so sick.

Itd explain why brain was so pissed that he was still getting his ass handed to him though?

[Vecna]

If fox is actually scum here, im going to be making Rdrivera my spokeperson too in the future (and sheep him a lot more often lol - sorry EMC, you might be getting fired).

[Maniac]

@jamie, Fox, Vecna and also I suppose Ghug.

How would you play the walkie-talkie QT if you were scum? Would you stay quiet or possibly stay anonymous so you can negotiate with town if the need arose?

The fact rdriveria declared his identity N1 (or N2 ill check) gives me a strong sense that he isn’t scum, but I’d like to hear other’s views.

[Vecna]

Id just powerplay it and convince everyone im town and that they can trust me. Without making it obvious im trying to get them to reveal their identities or reveal information.

Having a well hidden mole in a QT like that will likely win you the game.

I really hope worcej's flip will clear you Maniac

[Vecna]

Right now, im actually inclined to believe its either Maniac or Fox.

Maybe mechanics will prove me wrong on both accounts. Thatd be neat.

[Vecna]

Just putting it out there:

If someone was actually saved last night by fox, we need to know that information. If Fox saved someone, that someone needs to confirm it at EoN.

And for Fox: I know if youre town this is a shit demand to make of you, but realize that if we reach the 4way, and you are not yet cleared, you probably will have to be the policy-kill. You can still get away with not using it tonight. If you somehow survive this night, the next night will be the last opportunity. We can not no-kill in the 4way just to have you use it during that night, because if you target town and scum kill a different town, it will be 1 town vote vs 1 scum vote since your thing disables a vote and a person to kill. Having a person disabled as soon as the 4way starts is fine (although it can still be problematic if scum cannot be daykilled there ofcourse).

Exciting choices. The outcome of this game probably banks on them.

No pressure. And I dont wanna force my way of thinking on you. But fmpov you might very well still be the most suspicious person remaining in the game since we have not managed to observe your role whatsoever. And if we think about it.....was the item theft reveal to the shaman really something scum could not have investigated further in their QT?

And if youre town, ofcourse nothing of this blabbering im doing really matters, since scum will know you can clear yourself so they will be forced to deal with you. But just dont put the survivors in the position where we enter the 4way with you still unclear. thatd be bad.

[Vecna]

(Ghug, if youre scum, ive said youre town now, so please kill me)