Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

[worcej]

Also, today is election day in the netherlands. Polls predict that our population does not understand the concept of judging the current government for their failures with your vote.

Our government probably handled the issue concerning facemasks probably just as poorly as trump did. Our country has had a bloody curfew for 3 months now. Even though they have reopened elementary schools and those are now responsible for a significant portion of the spread, they continue doing a poor job on vaccination efforts, which still mainly focus on elderly people while the health sector staff still has not even been fully vaccinated.

I guess we should salute them though. Keeping our country in quarantine is a creative solution to a bigger problem, and probably the only way were ever going to get anywhere halfway to meeting climate goals, since their other policy seems to indicatee they dont really care.

I think you and me are similar in political mindset...

And to be fair, not many countries 'got it right' with COVID. The notable exception I know of is Iceland, but when your country only is ~300k people, it's easy to not FUBAR that shit up.

[worcej]

oh. ok lol

Scrap the itemclaim all together then

Perhaps read my posts closer

[rdrivera2005]

guess im feeling ranty today

Even if you try you can't compare on what Brasilian government have been doing. We have currently over 2500 deaths per day and our president said people should stop crying.

Do you think/fear ballso is gonna get re-elected?

Yes, I fear. And I fear what will happen if he lose to a left-wing party. It will be a lot like Trump run to re-election and here we have a sad history of coups to overthrow elected governments.

I was hoping that we will have a big coalition against him, but it doesn't seems likely.

[ghug]

I am going to do the sensible thing and ignore anything he did after it was obvious that he was caught in the act.

Not gonna touch it. Not gonna try to analyze it. Not like anyone will ever have any clue what goes on in his head, and anyone that thinks they can guess it properly is just fooling themselves.

Uh huh. You led him to scumslip all over the place but you're not willing to analyze any of it.

So what would you want me to analyze exactly? Ive already stated I dont intend to use any of it, so what use is it to you? Do you really think I couldnt come up with this reasoning if I was scum? Like, ill play your little game, but I really dont see the purpose.

The way he got upset over me being suspicious about Celaph? He'd do that for both celaph alignments. If celaph actually is scum, I can still see brainbomb get annoyed that im questioning his end-game pawn and think he could get away with ridiculing me and trying to kill that sentiment in its track. He wasnt under the impression at that point he was going to die anytime soon. If celaph is town Brainbomb would be annoyed that I was happy and even though I could be *so stupid* to think the guy that started the descent of precious brainbomb plan into shambles could actually be scum. Like, how is this town actually winning right? its not fair! And this stupid alien is not even helping. And look at them, thinking its all their own merit. Etc etc etc.

Now, feel free to come up with a scenario where we actually set this in motion where im scum Ghug. Seriously. Try and see if you can even come up with a scenario where any of this was acted. And put some thought into it if you do, not just a 1 liner and some link to an iso.

Continuing to the other wifom: the maniac part. I have no idea there as I said. He could do that both to his teammate to wifom us into "hes trying to setup town" or go a step further with the reverse double wifom or whatever you wanna call it. I dont even want to think about it. Its a 50/50 to me. And I trust more in my reads than just trying to factor this type of nonsense into it.

Was there some other wifom-distancing act after he was caught? I dont think so. It just as well could be the case he didnt mention his partners at all. Oh, he mentioned you as Alien. Once again, could mean both things.

Why do I need to do anything elaborate to explain why brain would argue with you as a scum teammate once he'd gone off the deep end? There, that's your explanation. I'll grant you that there's also some WIFOM on Maniac. That's another possibility, though I'm more inclined to townread Maniac than you.

You're trying to frame this whole thing as "ghug wants me to stop scumreading him" as a way to discredit the fact that I've actually picked up a scent here. I'm used to you being cocky, but not arguing in bad faith.

[ghug]

also, clears; just as im of the opinion that we should ignore rdrivera and ghugs opinion on the itemclaim since theyre in our potential kill4scum pool, its understandable they dont wanna follow my orders here.

Speak up and discuss the issue with something besides sarcasm if you want to not waste this potential opportunity.

Instead of dismissing my points based on me not being a clear (and neither you), could you adress my points? I will repeat them to make it easier:
1 - Considering Item Thief two nights, Brain's item and also the original item for at least one scum alive how do you think town will get something out of the claim?
2- You don't think there are items best kept away from scum or alien?

I mean, ive discussed these exact points just on the previous page with ghug?

Not really. You just harp on the slim chance that #1 actually produces something and ignore #2 entirely.

[ghug]

oh. ok lol

Scrap the itemclaim all together then

This was discussed recently. Vecna's constructing a way to get off talking about this.

[Jamiet99uk]

And to be fair, not many countries 'got it right' with COVID. The notable exception I know of is Iceland, but when your country only is ~300k people, it's easy to not FUBAR that shit up.

New Zealand.

Population 5 million, 26 deaths from Covid-19.

[Jamiet99uk]

Who should I scan for Alien DNA this evening?

[rdrivera2005]

Who should I scan for Alien DNA this evening?

Thamrick if you didn't scanned him before. Otherwise Worcej or Damo or Vecna are all good targets.

[Foxcastle]

Who should I scan for Alien DNA this evening?

Thamrick if you didn't scanned him before. Otherwise Worcej or Damo or Vecna are all good targets.

Or we just kill Thamrick tomorrow. And if we don't kill Thamrick tomorrow, it'll likely be because you flipped me instead and since I'm town, Thamrick will look like a really good option for the day after.

I agree that Worcej and Damo are especially good targets because they are managing to avoid a lot of scrutiny and pressure. Rdrivera is too, for that matter.

[ghug]

Who should I scan for Alien DNA this evening?

Thamrick if you didn't scanned him before. Otherwise Worcej or Damo or Vecna are all good targets.

It seems like we're almost certain to kill thamrick tomorrow, so I'd avoid him, but I'd agree otherwise that it should be the group of non-clears. I'd add me/rd/Vecna and maybe even Bob/celaph.

[Maniac]

Who should I scan for Alien DNA this evening?

Thamrick if you didn't scanned him before. Otherwise Worcej or Damo or Vecna are all good targets.

It seems like we're almost certain to kill thamrick tomorrow, so I'd avoid him, but I'd agree otherwise that it should be the group of non-clears. I'd add me/rd/Vecna and maybe even Bob/celaph.

*cough* still playing

[ghug]

Thamrick if you didn't scanned him before. Otherwise Worcej or Damo or Vecna are all good targets.

It seems like we're almost certain to kill thamrick tomorrow, so I'd avoid him, but I'd agree otherwise that it should be the group of non-clears. I'd add me/rd/Vecna and maybe even Bob/celaph.

*cough* still playing

I left you and Fox off because you're also plausible kills in the next day or two.

[celaph]

Who should I scan for Alien DNA this evening?

Thamrick if you didn't scanned him before. Otherwise Worcej or Damo or Vecna are all good targets.

It seems like we're almost certain to kill thamrick tomorrow, so I'd avoid him, but I'd agree otherwise that it should be the group of non-clears. I'd add me/rd/Vecna and maybe even Bob/celaph.

I think Jamie said something about scanning me last night. So I'm probably a bad scan tonight.

@jamie who else have you scanned? Also, I would recommend not saying your final scan target before EoN so the alien can't base their infections around it.

[ghug]

Thamrick if you didn't scanned him before. Otherwise Worcej or Damo or Vecna are all good targets.

It seems like we're almost certain to kill thamrick tomorrow, so I'd avoid him, but I'd agree otherwise that it should be the group of non-clears. I'd add me/rd/Vecna and maybe even Bob/celaph.

I think Jamie said something about scanning me last night. So I'm probably a bad scan tonight.

@jamie who else have you scanned? Also, I would recommend not saying your final scan target before EoN so the alien can't base their infections around it.

Wouldn't it make sense to also not tell us who he's already scan before he gets the result (or maybe even until the end of the following night, so that the alien has even less information on who to target?

[worcej]

And to be fair, not many countries 'got it right' with COVID. The notable exception I know of is Iceland, but when your country only is ~300k people, it's easy to not FUBAR that shit up.

New Zealand.

Population 5 million, 26 deaths from Covid-19.

Forgot about them. Maybe something about remote island countries lol

[worcej]

Who should I scan for Alien DNA this evening?

Thamrick if you didn't scanned him before. Otherwise Worcej or Damo or Vecna are all good targets.

Bob is also a good target.

[worcej]

Thamrick if you didn't scanned him before. Otherwise Worcej or Damo or Vecna are all good targets.

It seems like we're almost certain to kill thamrick tomorrow, so I'd avoid him, but I'd agree otherwise that it should be the group of non-clears. I'd add me/rd/Vecna and maybe even Bob/celaph.

*cough* still playing

You should do more to be included in the conversation then

[Jamiet99uk]

Thamrick if you didn't scanned him before. Otherwise Worcej or Damo or Vecna are all good targets.

It seems like we're almost certain to kill thamrick tomorrow, so I'd avoid him, but I'd agree otherwise that it should be the group of non-clears. I'd add me/rd/Vecna and maybe even Bob/celaph.

I think Jamie said something about scanning me last night. So I'm probably a bad scan tonight.

@jamie who else have you scanned? Also, I would recommend not saying your final scan target before EoN so the alien can't base their infections around it.

I scanned BunnyGo N1, and you N2. Tonight is N3 so that's all I've done so far.

[Jamiet99uk]

Perhaps I should scan myself to see if the Alien has touched me with its extra-terrestrial appendage.