Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

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Re: Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

#3201 Post by Jamiet99uk » Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:07 am

Macca573 wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:02 am
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:17 pm
BobMcBob wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:15 pm

macca claiming a guilty on jamie is play i would not even remotely respect from scum!macca, and i am very confident in this
Stop and think for just a moment.

Scum!Macca who luckily got the Area-51 pass item *knows* who else is on the actual scum-team and would *know* that I was not scum, so could perfectly safely expose me with the scan claim and try to get towncred for doing it.

Did you think about that?
And then once you flip? I would be toasted.
Why?

You keep saying things that suggest you fundamentally misunderstand the mechanics of this setup.

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Re: Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

#3202 Post by BunnyGo » Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:07 am

Bonatogether wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:50 pm
damo666 wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:47 pm
Bonatogether wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:12 pm
I'm scanning damo tonight unless people have a different idea.
By all means but you'll get Area 51 and still won't know whether you are insane or paranoid and MORE IMPORTANTLY NEITHER WILL I NOR ANYONE ELSE.

You could however scan Jamie to determine whether you are insane or paranoid. Of course you have to survive N3 for this to be of value.

Now obviously you can do what you want but if you scan me I have already told you the result you will get.

All this assumes you are being truthful about being the scanner, having scanned yourself and getting the result you stated.
If I won't, why are you so worried? and who do you think I should scan, in that case?

What do you mean assuming I'm being truthful? There's been no counterclaim after ~24 hours. Like there's absolutely 0 chance I'm not being truthful.
You do realize the scum team has a power to modify your scan results? Should you be a little more careful with your announcements? I say this to be clear because I literally have no idea when you're being obtuse and when you're being canny.

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Re: Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

#3203 Post by Macca573 » Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:10 am

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:07 am
Macca573 wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:02 am
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:17 pm


Stop and think for just a moment.

Scum!Macca who luckily got the Area-51 pass item *knows* who else is on the actual scum-team and would *know* that I was not scum, so could perfectly safely expose me with the scan claim and try to get towncred for doing it.

Did you think about that?
And then once you flip? I would be toasted.
Why?

You keep saying things that suggest you fundamentally misunderstand the mechanics of this setup.
No? Saying something that leads to the death of a town PR is not a good thing, as far as I am aware.

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Re: Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

#3204 Post by Bonatogether » Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:11 am

Macca573 wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:03 am
damo666 wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:23 am
ghug wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:00 am


Yeah, I feel like damo should know his argument isn't compelling to anyone who doesn't already know his alignment.
Everyone who knows my alignment knows I will scan as Area 51. I am telling those who don't know my alignment that I will scan as Area 51.
Umm.... Are you cc'ing Jamie? Or admitting to being scum?
You could take this as a scumslip (it's probably not), but if he was VT, then, he would scan as area-51 due to me being either paranoid (everyone is area-51) or insane (scans are backwards)

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Re: Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

#3205 Post by Macca573 » Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:11 am

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:06 am
Macca573 wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:03 am
damo666 wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:23 am


Everyone who knows my alignment knows I will scan as Area 51. I am telling those who don't know my alignment that I will scan as Area 51.
Umm.... Are you cc'ing Jamie? Or admitting to being scum?
Pay attention. Bona scanned himself and got an "Area-51" result. This is impossible if he is the Deputy unless he is Paranoid or Insane.

Damo is saying he believes Bona's claim and is asserting that he is the same alignment as Bona. Thus he would also return an "Area-51" result if Bona scans him.

Do you see?
I do see, but it's a strange way to phrase it. Especially considering that just 2 messages up in this convo, it is mentioned the Jamie scanned as AREA-51, meaning the result flip isn't an inherent part of the conversation.

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Re: Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

#3206 Post by BunnyGo » Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:14 am

Macca573 wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:02 am
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:17 pm
BobMcBob wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:15 pm

macca claiming a guilty on jamie is play i would not even remotely respect from scum!macca, and i am very confident in this
Stop and think for just a moment.

Scum!Macca who luckily got the Area-51 pass item *knows* who else is on the actual scum-team and would *know* that I was not scum, so could perfectly safely expose me with the scan claim and try to get towncred for doing it.

Did you think about that?
And then once you flip? I would be toasted.
We know you're town...

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Re: Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

#3207 Post by Macca573 » Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:15 am

BunnyGo wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:14 am
Macca573 wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:02 am
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:17 pm


Stop and think for just a moment.

Scum!Macca who luckily got the Area-51 pass item *knows* who else is on the actual scum-team and would *know* that I was not scum, so could perfectly safely expose me with the scan claim and try to get towncred for doing it.

Did you think about that?
And then once you flip? I would be toasted.
We know you're town...
You do know. But you didn't at the time Jamie is referring to.

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Re: Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

#3208 Post by BunnyGo » Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:15 am

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:06 am
Macca573 wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:03 am
damo666 wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:23 am


Everyone who knows my alignment knows I will scan as Area 51. I am telling those who don't know my alignment that I will scan as Area 51.
Umm.... Are you cc'ing Jamie? Or admitting to being scum?
Pay attention. Bona scanned himself and got an "Area-51" result. This is impossible if he is the Deputy unless he is Paranoid or Insane.

Damo is saying he believes Bona's claim and is asserting that he is the same alignment as Bona. Thus he would also return an "Area-51" result if Bona scans him.

Do you see?
Technically there's a third option that the lawyer character targeted Bona night 1. This is VERY unlikely, but would also be devastating if it had happened.

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Re: Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

#3209 Post by BunnyGo » Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:17 am

Bonatogether wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:11 am
Macca573 wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:03 am
damo666 wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:23 am


Everyone who knows my alignment knows I will scan as Area 51. I am telling those who don't know my alignment that I will scan as Area 51.
Umm.... Are you cc'ing Jamie? Or admitting to being scum?
You could take this as a scumslip (it's probably not), but if he was VT, then, he would scan as area-51 due to me being either paranoid (everyone is area-51) or insane (scans are backwards)
MACCA IS TOWN!! What are you talking about?

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Re: Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

#3210 Post by BunnyGo » Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:18 am

Macca573 wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:15 am
BunnyGo wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:14 am
Macca573 wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:02 am


And then once you flip? I would be toasted.
We know you're town...
You do know. But you didn't at the time Jamie is referring to.
I will assume a PR claim is legit until there's a CC.

And if kgray was unfortunately the PR and Jamie/Bona is getting away with something, I'll pay off to that.

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Re: Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

#3211 Post by Bonatogether » Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:20 am

BunnyGo wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:17 am
Bonatogether wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:11 am
Macca573 wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:03 am


Umm.... Are you cc'ing Jamie? Or admitting to being scum?
You could take this as a scumslip (it's probably not), but if he was VT, then, he would scan as area-51 due to me being either paranoid (everyone is area-51) or insane (scans are backwards)
MACCA IS TOWN!! What are you talking about?
I'm talking to Macca about damo's message. I know Macca is town.

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Re: Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

#3212 Post by Macca573 » Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:21 am

Bonatogether wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:20 am
BunnyGo wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:17 am
Bonatogether wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:11 am


You could take this as a scumslip (it's probably not), but if he was VT, then, he would scan as area-51 due to me being either paranoid (everyone is area-51) or insane (scans are backwards)
MACCA IS TOWN!! What are you talking about?
I'm talking to Macca about damo's message. I know Macca is town.
Dw Bona, I understood.

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Re: Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

#3213 Post by BobMcBob » Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:25 am

how exactly did the damo and foxc wagons just evaporate into thin air?
also if bunny isnt scum then my original entirely accurate scumlist was entirely inaccurate lol

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Re: Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

#3214 Post by BunnyGo » Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:26 am

Macca573 wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:21 am
Bonatogether wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:20 am
BunnyGo wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:17 am


MACCA IS TOWN!! What are you talking about?
I'm talking to Macca about damo's message. I know Macca is town.
Dw Bona, I understood.
Ok...I've been drinking, and this is all over my head. I'm gonna go catch up now.

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Re: Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

#3215 Post by BunnyGo » Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:30 am

ghug wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 5:02 am
BunnyGo wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:52 am
Vecna wrote:
Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:06 pm
PART DREI
<snip>


Oooh interesting, a call out on all the usual vecna suspects.

Now that is a juicy data point
@bunny - what did Ghug and brain do for you to call them out like this?


Ending the wall here so Bunny has higher odds of seeing ^this^ question
I see it.

His post progression on page 75-77. First explaining why shaman should commune with kgray, then saying he was unaware of what the scumteam abilities were. The first one is just a bad suggestion, and the second is ghug's "I don't read" play. But when ghug does the "I don't read" play, he doesn't usually make mech suggestions...the dichotomy pinged me.
This is false. I learn about things and then I offer opinions on them.
And what have you learned?

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Re: Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

#3216 Post by BobMcBob » Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:30 am

damo666 wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:47 pm
Bonatogether wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:12 pm
I'm scanning damo tonight unless people have a different idea.
By all means but you'll get Area 51 and still won't know whether you are insane or paranoid and MORE IMPORTANTLY NEITHER WILL I NOR ANYONE ELSE.

You could however scan Jamie to determine whether you are insane or paranoid. Of course you have to survive N3 for this to be of value.

Now obviously you can do what you want but if you scan me I have already told you the result you will get.

All this assumes you are being truthful about being the scanner, having scanned yourself and getting the result you stated.
this is all well and good but damo is still a great scan target
theres a significant chance he scans as town and if he does we all know what that means

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Re: Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

#3217 Post by BunnyGo » Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:31 am

brainbomb wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 5:23 am
im drunk and im 37.
Same here

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Re: Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

#3218 Post by BunnyGo » Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:32 am

BobMcBob wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:30 am
damo666 wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:47 pm
Bonatogether wrote:
Sat Mar 13, 2021 11:12 pm
I'm scanning damo tonight unless people have a different idea.
By all means but you'll get Area 51 and still won't know whether you are insane or paranoid and MORE IMPORTANTLY NEITHER WILL I NOR ANYONE ELSE.

You could however scan Jamie to determine whether you are insane or paranoid. Of course you have to survive N3 for this to be of value.

Now obviously you can do what you want but if you scan me I have already told you the result you will get.

All this assumes you are being truthful about being the scanner, having scanned yourself and getting the result you stated.
this is all well and good but damo is still a great scan target
theres a significant chance he scans as town and if he does we all know what that means
You do realize that scum have the ability to modify scan results? Yes? Should we not let EVERYONE know who Bona is scanning?

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Re: Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

#3219 Post by ghug » Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:33 am

BunnyGo wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:17 am
Bonatogether wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:11 am
Macca573 wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:03 am


Umm.... Are you cc'ing Jamie? Or admitting to being scum?
You could take this as a scumslip (it's probably not), but if he was VT, then, he would scan as area-51 due to me being either paranoid (everyone is area-51) or insane (scans are backwards)
MACCA IS TOWN!! What are you talking about?
He's saying damo's post could be a scumslip (which is equally ridiculous).

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Re: Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

#3220 Post by ghug » Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:35 am

BunnyGo wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:18 am
Macca573 wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:15 am
BunnyGo wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:14 am


We know you're town...
You do know. But you didn't at the time Jamie is referring to.
I will assume a PR claim is legit until there's a CC.

And if kgray was unfortunately the PR and Jamie/Bona is getting away with something, I'll pay off to that.
It's plausible enough (especially in Jamie's case, because he only had one role he could claim) that we shouldn't discount it forever, but it's definitely not worth considering for several days.

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