Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

[BunnyGo]

Ghug and Bunny are still getting nowhere near enough attention

Agree. I almost forgot Bunny was playing and this isn't normal.

No offense but I forgot you were playing.

Bunny does seem off this game, especially his odd resistance to having shaman visit kgray. I dont register why he felt that way

I decided not to be an ass for reads D1 this game. After GMing and seeing how much fun it was to read people on their other interactions, I decided to try it rather than making myself the center of attention for reads.

As for mech play, I feel the shaman would get more use out of a janitored player who ALSO might have mech knowledge (like sat phone or Area 51 card use). Or out of a dead deputy. Using the power so early for a guaranteed maximum knowledge of character and item seemed weak.

[Foxcastle]

Just showed up. Won’t be around much until around EOD-2 hours.

Can someone clue me in on why there’s still an lfischl wagon? Have people decided not to let the item thief steal the holly and don’t want to risk the WIFOM?

I get the Damo wagon, and fox makes sense too. Have I missed much while on my beauty rest?

Does lfischl having the herb somehow preclude him from being scum?

[BunnyGo]

Just showed up. Won’t be around much until around EOD-2 hours.

Can someone clue me in on why there’s still an lfischl wagon? Have people decided not to let the item thief steal the holly and don’t want to risk the WIFOM?

I get the Damo wagon, and fox makes sense too. Have I missed much while on my beauty rest?

Does lfischl having the herb somehow preclude him from being scum?

Nope. But volunteering that he has it makes it weirder if he is scum

[BunnyGo]

Just showed up. Won’t be around much until around EOD-2 hours.

Can someone clue me in on why there’s still an lfischl wagon? Have people decided not to let the item thief steal the holly and don’t want to risk the WIFOM?

I get the Damo wagon, and fox makes sense too. Have I missed much while on my beauty rest?

Does lfischl having the herb somehow preclude him from being scum?

Nope. But volunteering that he has it makes it weirder if he is scum

If he’s scum and has the herb, he’s never taking it. But also never admitting he has it (as a first level play). So why volunteer he has it and suggest we kill him? That’s the part that precludes he’s scum (unless the wine is in front of me!) but to enter this deep play as scum would be weird the way it seemed to go down.

[damo666]

Why has nobody responded to my offer to be herbed?

What does this mean?

As I am widely scumread I offered to be lfischl's reveal if we dk him. We either kill scum or get a townclear for a mk (or from ypov a possible outed scum for a mk).

I also have said if we do not want to do this I will move my vote off.

[worcej]

Maniac, seeing as you're not deputy after all, how are you so sure on lfischl and Foxcastle?

I think I'm not wrong to assert that there's scum in the high schoolers. Now that Bona is out town should definitely wagon on one of them. Since we're not getting Bona and Bob doesn't want to get lfischl, what does that leave us with? It's not a rhetorical question, we could get Macca too.

i wouldnt mind getting lfischl, he been on my scumlist for a while, but i dont think now is the time
macca is likely town, going after them is a bad idea

How is now not the time? He literally softed he has the oracle herb (which he can eat whenever during the phase) and that item will be stolen next night phase unless the scum are fucking idiots.

[worcej]

I think it is safe to assume lfischl is either scum or VT.

Proposal:

As I am quite widely scumread I propose lfischl ingests herb and chooses me as his reveal.

We either kill a scum or I get towncleared and save a mk.

On a secondary point he said his item would be wasted but subsequently said he hadn't yet ingested. This might indicate he is scum with a teammate having the herb. Being town fearing the item thief is also possible but why claim in the first place?

This is an acceptable use of the herb. However gets oracled and isn’t scum is probably dead at night though.

[Bonatogether]

It's not fake. He doesn't seem capable of comprehension.

Fine. I am now returning to M61 bona and will not post. I thought I was doing a good thing given the circumstances, but now I'm on the block for it (although I think this is a heavily scum-driven push). I'll go make some VCA post.

A brief review of M61 suggests that Bona was really lurking M61 with only 0 total posts.

Didnt i start playing m61? or was that m62?

[Bonatogether]

I'm in both of your groups.

Also killing Chaqa isn't scummy unless Jamie or jasnah (or maybe one of the early wagons) is town.

Yes. That is intentional.

Killing Chaqa was scummy regardless of Jamie and Jasnah's alignment, since it was "oh lets policy kill the lurker." Scum can easily hide on that wagon and not give any reason or be involved in any late-day shenanigans.

Who do you think was hiding on Chaqa's wagon?

thamrick, damo, possibly lfischl, possibly jasnah

[rdrivera2005]

The votes on me are pathetic.

Rdrivera, your reasoning is especially flimsy. You're voting me because I got irate at one thing (that I have been harping on game after game) versus another thing (that I don't have an emotional reaction about—if you want a temper tantrum about PRs claiming too soon, go find Jamie). If this wasn't so lame, it'd be scummy, but at least if you just said "gut feeling," that would be less scummy.

Maniac thinks because I sat on the Jasnah wagon EOD1 that must mean I'm scum. "I would never do that as scum" is one of the weakest defenses a player can make, but seriously, if I was scum, there's no way I'd leave my ass hanging out like that when I had every opportunity to move to Jamie or Chaqa. Especially knowing that the only other person sitting on the Jasnah wagon with me was likely to flip, there's no way I would have sat there like that as scum and made myself a very obvious target for VCA later on.

Weak: Jasnah sheeping Maniac on this.

Weaker: ghug sheeping jasnah sheeping Maniac.

And what isn't gut feeling at this point? I don't pretend I have a convoluted case on you or a brilliant syntactic analysis of your posts. I don't like people voting lfishcl because the herb and you were a decent counter. Do you want to OMGUS me, fine, it won't be the first time.

I mean, pretending you have a reason when you say it's about me not getting mad about PR claims, and then turning around and implying that it's just a gut feeling is not a great look.

Tempting me to OMGUS you is also not a good look, because you must know that it can only make me look worse and give you leverage to say "look, he's not really town, his votes are motivated!"

Well, I think you are distorting what I said which isn't a town indication. I told the reason I have to vote you (I felt your indignation fake yesterday and today you seem to be just sailing with the wind). I am not tempting you to nothing. You said I was looking scummy after I voted you and I thought it was OMGUS. If you have other reasons to scum read me,fine.

[rdrivera2005]

Ghug and Bunny are still getting nowhere near enough attention

Agree. I almost forgot Bunny was playing and this isn't normal.

No offense but I forgot you were playing.

Bunny does seem off this game, especially his odd resistance to having shaman visit kgray. I dont register why he felt that way

And you forgot to answer my question about your Vecna read. Care to answer?

[Jamiet99uk]

comparing this to last game where bunny had a bpv and wanted to be attacked to get cleared. this certainly isnt the same.

Agree.

[Jamiet99uk]

Just showed up. Won’t be around much until around EOD-2 hours.

Can someone clue me in on why there’s still an lfischl wagon? Have people decided not to let the item thief steal the holly and don’t want to risk the WIFOM?

I get the Damo wagon, and fox makes sense too. Have I missed much while on my beauty rest?

Lfischl's response to Bonatogether claiming was to attempt to endhammer him. Lfischl has also claimed not-Deputy.

The attempted endhammer is therefore egregiously scummy.

[Jamiet99uk]

Why has nobody responded to my offer to be herbed?

What does this mean?

As I am widely scumread I offered to be lfischl's reveal if we dk him. We either kill scum or get a townclear for a mk (or from ypov a possible outed scum for a mk).

I also have said if we do not want to do this I will move my vote off.

I am willing to endorse this policy.

[Jamiet99uk]

Does lfischl having the herb somehow preclude him from being scum?

Nope. But volunteering that he has it makes it weirder if he is scum

If he’s scum and has the herb, he’s never taking it. But also never admitting he has it (as a first level play). So why volunteer he has it and suggest we kill him? That’s the part that precludes he’s scum (unless the wine is in front of me!) but to enter this deep play as scum would be weird the way it seemed to go down.

I think it may very well be WIFOM but if it's not and LfishL is actually town, then at least we get a reveal.

[brainbomb]

##vote Jamie

I don't really dislike any of these wagons. I'd also look quite favourably upon a damo wagon... *Especially* if kgray has really been vaporised.

Damo? Where did damo come from?

The Jungles of Wales

[brainbomb]

It is an AREA-51 claim, but the Town who scan like that are gone.

I've actually gotta go now. See you all later!

This seems like if Macca were scum here they got away with freely outing the Researcher which the alien can now kill and absorb. Im sketical that after maccas post 1; they still didnt know researcher scanned as 51 too

[brainbomb]

Let us begin.


##CALL GM Who is AREA-51, and who isn't? I can't tell.

That's for me to know and you to find out.

But I assume you mean which roles.
Gunman Item Thief MP Secretary Man in Black

So dargo forgot to mention Researcher

[brainbomb]

Special Rules: This game is an item madness game with a THIRD PARTY. The specific information about the third party and items can be found below.

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[Investigation] Deputy -unknown sanity-: The Deputy works in the small and recently incorporated town of Rachel, Nevada. Each night the Deputy can investigate a player. The investigation results will read as AREA-51 or NOT AREA-51. The Deputy is of an unknown sanity. The sanity types are listed below.
[Sane Cop] Results are Accurate -unless a PR interferes with them-
[Insane Cop] Results are the opposite of what they should be
[Paranoid Cop] Results are always AREA-51
[Naive Cop] Results are always NOT AREA-51

Results are returned at the end of the night phase and will be adjudicated during the scan portion of the order of adjudication.

In addition, the Deputy does not differentiate between Mafia members who work at AREA-51 and town PR’s that work at AREA-51. The Alien Researcher and potentially 0-2 Miller’s.

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MAFIA ROLES

Item Thief (3x): The Item Thief can visit one player each night and will steal any item they have. They can hold up to one item. When they steal a new item, their old item will be discarded if it has not been used. After three successful item thefts, the Item Thief will become a Mafia Goon. Players are notified if their item is stolen. The Item Thief appears as AREA-51 on cop scans. The Item Thief wins with the Mafia. Their action is adjudicated at the -Item Theft- portion of the order of adjudication.

Man in Black: The Man in Black can visit a player each night. When the Man in Black visits a player they can frame a player using the frame action. The frame action gives a player a ‘false alignment’ result, so the opposite of what they are. If the player framed is investigated by the Deputy; the Deputy will receive a false result. Example: Town will generally scan as AREA-51 if they are framed (exceptions would be the millers or Alien Researcher who would scan NOT AREA 51 as their original alignment shows them as Area 51). This has no effect on the Alien (Always scans NOT AREA 51). The Framer visits a player during the Night Phase. The Man in Black scans as NOT AREA-51 and wins with the Mafia.

Secretary: The Secretary allows the mafia to talk during the day phase, so long as the secretary is alive. Additionally, when the Alien Researcher receives a report on if the player they targeted has ALIEN DNA or NOT ALIEN DNA the secretary will also learn this information. The Secretary wins with the Mafia and scans as AREA-51.

Gunman (Wetwork Kit): The Gunman visits a player each night and conducts the Mafia Night Kill. The Mafia Night Kill is determined by a majority vote, but in the case of a tie the Gunman breaks the tie. If the Gunman dies then the Mafia must vote on who will carry out the kill in addition to who they want killed. In addition, the Gunman will start with a wetwork kit. This kit allows the Gunman to sanitize the kill. The Gunman will learn the role of the player that was killed, but the town will not learn this information. The Gunman scans as AREA-51 and wins with the mafia. If the Mafia comes to believe that the Gunman is compromised via the Alien Infection that can vote to have another member carry out the kill.

AREA-51 MP: The AREA-51 Military Policeman visits a player and can confine them in the base prison. The MP decides who to jail during the day phase with the action occuring at the start of night. While the player is incarcerated the MP can question the player. If the MP incarcerates the Alien; the Alien can choose to infect the MP or not. The MP’s incarceration action is considered a roleblock. This roleblock will be adjudicated at the roleblock portion of the order of adjudication. The MP wins with the Mafia.

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How does the bolded message apply, if all AREA-51 are mafia?

[Jamiet99uk]

##vote Jamie

I don't really dislike any of these wagons. I'd also look quite favourably upon a damo wagon... *Especially* if kgray has really been vaporised.

Damo? Where did damo come from?

The Jungles of Wales

I remember two of my friends having this conversation:

Friend 1: "My parents used to have a caravan in Rhyl. We used to spend a week there every Easter and again at the start of the Summer holidays?"

Friend 2: "Oh, what do you remember best about it?"

Friend 1: <Shakes head> "There is nothing to remember about Rhyl"