Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

[TheMadMonarch]

btw what exactly is lock town?
dont think ive heard the phrase before

As strongly townread as one can be without being mechanically confirmed. To the point that you've locked them in despite there technically being a possibility elsewhere.

Now, I think brainbomb is a little over eager in his usage here, but that is besides the point.

okay thanks, i thought it perhaps was something like they should be treated as town for the time being
normally people use towncore instead

I'm under the impression that towncore is more of a personal thought, and locktown is where you believe it to be (or should be) everybody's opinion.

[BobMcBob]

As strongly townread as one can be without being mechanically confirmed. To the point that you've locked them in despite there technically being a possibility elsewhere.

Now, I think brainbomb is a little over eager in his usage here, but that is besides the point.

okay thanks, i thought it perhaps was something like they should be treated as town for the time being
normally people use towncore instead

I'm under the impression that towncore is more of a personal thought, and locktown is where you believe it to be (or should be) everybody's opinion.

and how are you knowledgeable of this terminology when im not?

[BobMcBob]

since my entirely accurate scumlist didnt age well at all, let me give it a second try

damo - ew gross, he is all lame floppy and cant seem to find a safe place to park

lfischl - still dont really like lfischl for pretty similar reasons to earlier. herb is okay i guess but really doesnt mean much in terms of how scummy is, i could easily see it as a scum play

bunny - i cant remember my original reason for scumreading bunny but im fairly sure i had one and he hasnt done anything notably townie so he can sit here on the bottom of the list

[Vecna]

more diplomacy in a few hours. yay

Might get put on a board with HR again. booo

It always much better to go on a board with me. If you listened to me we wouldnt have to have Morgante world champion

You playing? I saw you drop out of the earlier round

[TheMadMonarch]

Also, before I sleep I should change my vote.

Wagon # Voters
lfischl (5) Foxcastle damo666 Jamiet99uk worcej jasnah
Foxcastle (2) Maniac ghug
Unvote (2) lfischl BunnyGo
damo666 (2) Bonatogether BobMcBob
Vecna (1) rdrivera2005
Jamiet99uk (1) Macca573
Bonatogether (1) thamrick
Maniac (1) brainbomb
BunnyGo (1) Vecna


I firstly think that there are too many wagons, please fix that.

Of these, they only viable choices right now are lfi, Fox, damo.

lfi is in a funky spot, considering the item, I would not kill them yet, given the option. This is almost entirely due to the item claim; after that stint with Bona, he was probably second to Jamie.

I don't understand where Fox wagon has come from, he seems fine in my book. I'm not voting for this one.

That leaves damo, and "ehhh...", he exists. I don't have much on him, but he seems to be doing a lot less math than usual, so trust is less than normal. Here is where I will leave my vote.

##VOTE damo

I am open to criticism until I turn in.

[Vecna]

okay thanks, i thought it perhaps was something like they should be treated as town for the time being
normally people use towncore instead

I'm under the impression that towncore is more of a personal thought, and locktown is where you believe it to be (or should be) everybody's opinion.

and how are you knowledgeable of this terminology when im not?

locktown is sorta the hyperbole thing I use, I dont think its generally accepted/used.

[rdrivera2005]

Bonatogether (2) thamrick jasnah
Vecna (1) rdrivera2005
Jamiet99uk (1) Macca573*
damo666 (1) Vecna

so jasnah and tham are voting an unccd PR
macca is endhammering an unccd PR
rdrivera is campvoting the only person actually game solving
and damo is only a 1 wagon

welcome to webdip where the phases take forever and the points dont matter

Tell me how is Vecna game solving? He pushed a brilliant wagon on Chaqa D1 and now is pushing a lazy wagon on Damo D2.

Why is Vecna town brainbomb?

This is not how you normally read me. Whats up?

I am really annoyed with your D1 push on Chaqa. I expect you to be able to consider why scum Chaqa will play that way and come to conclusion it was a lot more likely town and don't waste D1 in a vanity kill just for the fun of it or for a policy enforcement. Specially in a game so imbalanced against town.

This said your D2 is better, but I still can't townread you. But my question to Brainbomb is to hear from him as he is looking like too satisfied with the game at this point, which I can't believe any town is after that shitshow with all PR claiming without any meaningful result.

My other scumreads at this point are Worcej and Fox. Fox yelled at people answering for others and just didn't react at all at people claiming without any real need. And Worcej seems too comfortable, just going with the flow (I know he want to change, bla bla bla).

So ##vote Foxcastle

[Vecna]

Also, before I sleep I should change my vote.

Wagon # Voters
lfischl (5) Foxcastle damo666 Jamiet99uk worcej jasnah
Foxcastle (2) Maniac ghug
Unvote (2) lfischl BunnyGo
damo666 (2) Bonatogether BobMcBob
Vecna (1) rdrivera2005
Jamiet99uk (1) Macca573
Bonatogether (1) thamrick
Maniac (1) brainbomb
BunnyGo (1) Vecna


I firstly think that there are too many wagons, please fix that.

Of these, they only viable choices right now are lfi, Fox, damo.

lfi is in a funky spot, considering the item, I would not kill them yet, given the option. This is almost entirely due to the item claim; after that stint with Bona, he was probably second to Jamie.

I don't understand where Fox wagon has come from, he seems fine in my book. I'm not voting for this one.

That leaves damo, and "ehhh...", he exists. I don't have much on him, but he seems to be doing a lot less math than usual, so trust is less than normal. Here is where I will leave my vote.

##VOTE damo

I am open to criticism until I turn in.

Since youre open to criticism....dont tell me what a viable wagon is

[TheMadMonarch]

okay thanks, i thought it perhaps was something like they should be treated as town for the time being
normally people use towncore instead

I'm under the impression that towncore is more of a personal thought, and locktown is where you believe it to be (or should be) everybody's opinion.

and how are you knowledgeable of this terminology when im not?

I worked it out? My people reading skills are terrible, so I have to use my language reading skills to understand what they're saying about each other.

[BobMcBob]

now for the townie peoples from most to less most

jamie
macca
bona
vecna
celaph
jasnah

all the rest are weaker reads that i could see going either way

also since my entirely accurate scumlist is only half full id say maniac, foxc and worcej can fill the remaining three spots for now, in that order, but its not strong

[TheMadMonarch]

Also, before I sleep I should change my vote.

Wagon # Voters
lfischl (5) Foxcastle damo666 Jamiet99uk worcej jasnah
Foxcastle (2) Maniac ghug
Unvote (2) lfischl BunnyGo
damo666 (2) Bonatogether BobMcBob
Vecna (1) rdrivera2005
Jamiet99uk (1) Macca573
Bonatogether (1) thamrick
Maniac (1) brainbomb
BunnyGo (1) Vecna


I firstly think that there are too many wagons, please fix that.

Of these, they only viable choices right now are lfi, Fox, damo.

lfi is in a funky spot, considering the item, I would not kill them yet, given the option. This is almost entirely due to the item claim; after that stint with Bona, he was probably second to Jamie.

I don't understand where Fox wagon has come from, he seems fine in my book. I'm not voting for this one.

That leaves damo, and "ehhh...", he exists. I don't have much on him, but he seems to be doing a lot less math than usual, so trust is less than normal. Here is where I will leave my vote.

##VOTE damo

I am open to criticism until I turn in.

Since youre open to criticism....dont tell me what a viable wagon is

I'm telling myself more than anyone else. These thoughts developed as I jotted them down.

[TheMadMonarch]

Also, before I sleep I should change my vote.

Wagon # Voters
lfischl (5) Foxcastle damo666 Jamiet99uk worcej jasnah
Foxcastle (2) Maniac ghug
Unvote (2) lfischl BunnyGo
damo666 (2) Bonatogether BobMcBob
Vecna (1) rdrivera2005
Jamiet99uk (1) Macca573
Bonatogether (1) thamrick
Maniac (1) brainbomb
BunnyGo (1) Vecna


I firstly think that there are too many wagons, please fix that.

Of these, they only viable choices right now are lfi, Fox, damo.

lfi is in a funky spot, considering the item, I would not kill them yet, given the option. This is almost entirely due to the item claim; after that stint with Bona, he was probably second to Jamie.

I don't understand where Fox wagon has come from, he seems fine in my book. I'm not voting for this one.

That leaves damo, and "ehhh...", he exists. I don't have much on him, but he seems to be doing a lot less math than usual, so trust is less than normal. Here is where I will leave my vote.

##VOTE damo

I am open to criticism until I turn in.

Since youre open to criticism....dont tell me what a viable wagon is

I'm telling myself more than anyone else. These thoughts developed as I jotted them down.

And even here, frankly, I use the word viable lightly. I just wanted to rule out the ones (as I was leaving one, it wouldn't be consistent with the things I was doing), but I needed to keep the twos as there is only one above (again, I don't like this).

[rdrivera2005]

Bonatogether (2) thamrick jasnah
Vecna (1) rdrivera2005
Jamiet99uk (1) Macca573*
damo666 (1) Vecna

so jasnah and tham are voting an unccd PR
macca is endhammering an unccd PR
rdrivera is campvoting the only person actually game solving
and damo is only a 1 wagon

welcome to webdip where the phases take forever and the points dont matter

Tell me how is Vecna game solving? He pushed a brilliant wagon on Chaqa D1 and now is pushing a lazy wagon on Damo D2.

Why is Vecna town brainbomb?

I lied. One more question before sleep. What do you think of the Damo wagon? I get the feeling that you disapprove of it. If that is the case then can you clarify why?

I don't disapprove Damo's wagon, he isn't towny this game and the lack of reads is scummy. But it's a lazy wagon because Damo is always scumread at start and an usual misskill. I think Damo got far more easy to read later and don't think it's a wagon we should push today.

[BobMcBob]

Also, before I sleep I should change my vote.

Wagon # Voters
lfischl (5) Foxcastle damo666 Jamiet99uk worcej jasnah
Foxcastle (2) Maniac ghug
Unvote (2) lfischl BunnyGo
damo666 (2) Bonatogether BobMcBob
Vecna (1) rdrivera2005
Jamiet99uk (1) Macca573
Bonatogether (1) thamrick
Maniac (1) brainbomb
BunnyGo (1) Vecna


I firstly think that there are too many wagons, please fix that.

Of these, they only viable choices right now are lfi, Fox, damo.

lfi is in a funky spot, considering the item, I would not kill them yet, given the option. This is almost entirely due to the item claim; after that stint with Bona, he was probably second to Jamie.

I don't understand where Fox wagon has come from, he seems fine in my book. I'm not voting for this one.

That leaves damo, and "ehhh...", he exists. I don't have much on him, but he seems to be doing a lot less math than usual, so trust is less than normal. Here is where I will leave my vote.

##VOTE damo

I am open to criticism until I turn in.

Since youre open to criticism....dont tell me what a viable wagon is

i think they may have been judging viability by any wagon with more than 1 vote on it
which is definitely not the way the game works as it plays out toward eod, most things are viable right now

[rdrivera2005]

Tell me how is Vecna game solving? He pushed a brilliant wagon on Chaqa D1 and now is pushing a lazy wagon on Damo D2.

Why is Vecna town brainbomb?

I lied. One more question before sleep. What do you think of the Damo wagon? I get the feeling that you disapprove of it. If that is the case then can you clarify why?

I don't disapprove Damo's wagon, he isn't towny this game and the lack of reads is scummy. But it's a lazy wagon because Damo is always scumread at start and an usual misskill. I think Damo got far more easy to read later and don't think it's a wagon we should push today.

My last message was a bit confusing I guess.

What I meant is that I don't townread Damo, but I don't think he is the right push today.

[Vecna]

now for the townie peoples from most to less most

jamie
macca
bona
vecna
celaph
jasnah

all the rest are weaker reads that i could see going either way

also since my entirely accurate scumlist is only half full id say maniac, foxc and worcej can fill the remaining three spots for now, in that order, but its not strong

Are you just literally copying my reads now?

what-what-what?

[Vecna]

Akkkkshually, im not that certain on Macca yet.

Scum also have items and they couldve gotten lucky

[jasnah]

now for the townie peoples from most to less most

jamie
macca
bona
vecna
celaph
jasnah

all the rest are weaker reads that i could see going either way

also since my entirely accurate scumlist is only half full id say maniac, foxc and worcej can fill the remaining three spots for now, in that order, but its not strong

Here is Bob Mcbob, again, flying against the face of all imaginable logic, to write Macca the colouring champion as #2 townread above uncc'ed deputy. It's unacceptable that this would be considered an 'unviable' wagon. I move that we accelerate a wagon onto Bob.

@Vecna Maybe, if the rosters don't suck, and there's a space for me, all things are possible

[Vecna]

I lied. One more question before sleep. What do you think of the Damo wagon? I get the feeling that you disapprove of it. If that is the case then can you clarify why?

I don't disapprove Damo's wagon, he isn't towny this game and the lack of reads is scummy. But it's a lazy wagon because Damo is always scumread at start and an usual misskill. I think Damo got far more easy to read later and don't think it's a wagon we should push today.

My last message was a bit confusing I guess.

What I meant is that I don't townread Damo, but I don't think he is the right push today.

Who is?

[Vecna]

Because for all the criticism of damo not having reads, I have to think real hard to myself whether I remember any from you, besides the obvious nibbling on my ear.