Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

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im struggling with this setup because the important things we need to know are not getting to us and theres like 11 pages of red tape to cut through. I think ND built this setup using Dominion voting machines

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the most obvious most basic question of the setup is that Alien DNA is detectable by alien researcher the following night, but what about if someone dies? does Alien DNA appear in the flavor? does it show up the night of infection? does it show up at night two?

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in the bioterrorist game and the ghost haunting game it would appear in flips. those were ND games. And I know because I made those setups

[Vecna]

PART DEUX

I got a message from kgray in the dip game about 15 minutes ago.

Rip kgray.

The proper response

##vote Chaqa

congrats, it was gonna be hard for me to want to flip anyone more than Bunny, but you just pulled it off.

Vecna is scum scared of what I'm going to do tonight. If he was really town he would at least let me institute my plan tonight THEN kill me.

##Vote Vecna

This is a pretty poor read in my opinion. I have a high enough opinion of Vecna to think that he wouldn't get scared by someone just claiming to have a strong item in this set-up.

Also, why would you make this play before reading the whole set-up? Though in all fairness that question applies arguably more so if you're scum so I guess stupid townpoints for Chaqa.

Like this post by Celaph

Frankly I don't really care how much Jamie does or doesn't get riled up. I think that if you're DK'ing based on how angry someone is able to pretend to be over text you're setting yourself up for arbitrary wagoning not to mention a pretty toxic metagame as a result of an incentive structure that rewards over-the-top rage.

At least Jamie has been talking at all, which is more than can be said for Chaqa. I'm aware that time zones exist, so maybe he will come back later and say more and maybe we'll have good reasons to unwagon him again, that's perfectly fine, and if that happens we have ample time to switch to another sensible wagon before EOD.

This jasnah feels way more substantive than last game.

Is that a good thing in your books? Because overall I think more substantive version of last game is more pro-town, but I get the feeling that you think otherwise.

And this one

I got a message from kgray in the dip game about 15 minutes ago.

oh thats good so shes just hiding

Or vapourized.

Jamiet responding like this somewhat lessons the chance theyre scum together by a tiny tad

I got a message from kgray in the dip game about 15 minutes ago.

That’s good she doesn’t have a irl reason she’s disappeared.

Another odd response to the whole ordeal. If you read the entire preceding train of comments, how is this the outcome? Feels like trying to distance knowledge from the EoD reveal.

I dislike these wagons. If I had to choose between them, I’d choose Jamie. Luckily, I don’t have to choose yet. I’m going back to ##vote bona.

This statement still fits quite well in a Jamie scum Chaqa town scenario I called him out on earlier.

these are really idiotic reasons to list as why those wagons exist

Clue me in then. Why does jasnah’s wagon exist?

because shes too scummy to be scum just like last time. only this time its more abrasive, sporadic and feels like a bad imitation.

At least this brainbomb post I like. Can totally identify with why he'd feel this way as town. Its still possible to make it as scum, obviously, but I like it.

Clue me in then. Why does jasnah’s wagon exist?

because shes too scummy to be scum just like last time. only this time its more abrasive, sporadic and feels like a bad imitation.

Like I said, I'm on my fucking period and not in the mood to have exactly the same emotional state. Pardon me for not roasting your ass hard enough to be town. I feel sorry for you if mafia players have to maintain literally an identical personality across time to be taken credibly, cause you really didn't start from a great place.

LMAO

##vote chaqa

I dont really think Jamie is even that bad today. Jasnah is alot like last game. Chaqa is probably full of shit here

That was fast

chaqa is probably some shitty role like item thief and hes pissed he needs an item to self clear

I wish I could +1, because I would +1 this

Dont understand this at all. The comment made no sense. Why agree with it?

Feels more like buttering up because he moved his vote away

1x Alien Ray Gun: A player is disintegrated. No body, no name, no role reveal. If used during the day phase, the player disintegrated will still be listed until the post end of day vote count. This circumvents night immunity. The only item that will nullify the effect of the Alien Ray Gun is the Alien Microbe Ray. See more about this below. Once used it is gone.

What the fuck

Yeah there's no "a shot rings out"; the ray gun must have a really excellent silencer fitted. That's why we're talking about Kgray's random absence.

Was this genuine surprise by Ghug?

Why was jamiet explaining it like addressing a toddler? Sure its addressing Ghug, but he normally never treats him like this much of a Chaqa

thamrick shot would come from town or 3p. a kgray shot would only come from scum or vecna

If town had a gun and hipfired it D1 without saying anything, I'm going to be rather annoyed.

Im not buying this either. Ghug loves random crazy drama

Ok. I'm still right.

Well, I don't think that your conclusion is correct and your logic to reach the conclusion certainly can't be correct because there isn't any.

You seem to think that the scum team will follow each other around always voting with each other. That strikes me as a terrible strategy because once one of them is caught they all look much worse.

No, they look marginally better since no scumteam would ever group like that

Not really feeling much scumvibes from Bona yet. Not sure why he seems to be the target for so much hate.

bona is so much more carefree and less derpy this game. I feel like everytime he was accused last game he got this weird deer in headlights persona

Unless im wrong and Bona is scum, this feels like a solid defence

Ok. Gotta disappear for a bit. ##vote Jamie

Focusing that much on town using resources for alien hunting is so pro scum it shoots brain and Jamie up my reads.

@celaph

Double commentary. Dont like the reasoning for Bunnies vote. Jamiet ALWAYS does that shit of having an opinion on how to use PRs and town resources, and why would he openly do it as scum?

Bona doing that smug "see what I mean?" at Celaph feels like he actually believes and is trying to make a point of some sort. I wont claim to understnad it, but it feels pretty ok?

Like this post.

Yea my first thought as town is always; hmm maybe I should find out how many bad folks there are

Those slips are sometimes believable, but they have to come more in the form of an incorrect assumption. The way he asked means he doesn't care about getting credit, and probably also means that he didn't know how many scum there were.

What a weird dialogue

it feels strange to say but
jasnah wagon is surprisingly acceptable
chaqa wagon is fine though im not confident hes scum
jamie wagon is as good as ever, i.e. good

it feels strange to say but
jasnah wagon is surprisingly acceptable
chaqa wagon is fine though im not confident hes scum
jamie wagon is as good as ever, i.e. good

Being ok with all 3 wagons? How odd.

My first instinct is to really dislike this post.

But thinking about it, do scum make it so obvious they dont care about who gets killed?

Unlikely that theres 2 scum in there.

Ive confused myself with my thoughts

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Vecna is lock town for actually hunting here.

[BobMcBob]

Vecna is lock town for actually hunting here.

btw what exactly is lock town?
dont think ive heard the phrase before

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MANIAC ISO STUDY
http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g= ... ser=Maniac

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Good evening, Fellow Townspersons.

Townspersons. Townpersons! That an odd word. Why not town folk or town people? Perhaps it’s code. Yes I’m sure it’s code. Maybe an anagram. Good evening. Fellow townpersons. Easily becomes Owen Glendower Novello is soft p..

So what does that mean?

Well ‘soft’ in mafia lingo means Jamie is softing his role. ‘Soft P..’ could be soft porn. It’s true that the Novello does include a rather unnecessary depiction of oral sex by Margerat Hanmer that doesn’t progress the story one bit. But that doesn’t make sense in mafia terms. ‘Soft P’ could refer to ‘silent P’ at the start of some words like ptosis, pneumonia, psoriasis which happen all to be medical terms. Hmmmm maybe Jamie is softing being a doctor here?

What about the book? Owen Glendower for those who don’t know was the last Welsh Prince of Wales and led the rebellion against the English. The English version of his name is used in novel by John Cowper Powys. Glendower died around 1415 during the reign of Henry V. Henry V is, of course, a play by William Shakespeare that features Owen Glendower in passing. The 1989 film of the play was produced by none other than Bruce SHARMAN, which is the modern spelling of SHAMAN. There is little doubt that Jamie is softing being a shaman/doctor. But why? My belief is that he is mafia and will reveal his rather obvious breadcrumbs if/when he is up for the daykill.

I think we have Jamie banged to rights.

#%vote Jamie

At first glance I would just think Maniac is a highly irregular British man with a random sense of humor. But it looks a lot like Maniac is PR hunting here, and attempting to identify crumbs in plain sight.

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##unvote Jamie

He has gained a few town points by not going to bed an hour after he said he would. Scum say they’re going to bed and then leave or loiter without posting. Jamie has announced his departure, but can’t leave. It’s like the itch to solve the puzzle just has to be scratched even at the expense of a few zeds.

Ghug is my main scum read. He called me town following my introductory post and it reminded me of scum!Vecna’s say I was obv town following my first post in the last game.

##vote Ghuggles

this transition is pretty bizarre. both the reason for unvoting Jamie and his attempt to frame ghug as being like scum vecna. Weirder is that maniac has been in 40 games with ghug vecna and Jamie; and is behaving as if hes never met the lot of them.

[Bonatogether]

Jamie if youre really Alien Researcher youre basically outted now. tell us more

I'm afraid so.

In addition, the Deputy does not differentiate between Mafia members who work at AREA-51 and town PR’s that work at AREA-51. The Alien Researcher and potentially 0-2 Miller’s.

This is not good for Town. I wish Macca had read the setup more carefully.

We're pretty screwed now.

I read it. I saw that. However:

I still think you're scum, regardless of the scan. Plus, 4/5 remaining AREA-51 roles are mafia. I don't think you had any choice here then to claim AR, especially since BB already suggested it (you didn't have to even read the setup!).

See, Macca agrees with me

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I’m switching back to ##vote Jamie.

It’s interesting what others are saying about how angry he sometimes gets and his reactions generally.

In M64 when he was GM he gasped at my opening post. In M1016 as town he rallied against my opening post which was a flavour blog. In this game his reaction to my initial post was applause. Jamie’s reaction is more likely to be scummy than town.

I had, only a few hours ago, gave Jamie town cred for announcing he was off to bed then staying around for 1hr+. I thought it could be town indicative that he has a desire to solve the puzzle. However it’s far too early to solve the puzzle and perhaps he is just worried scum hoping to talk his way out of a D1 kill.

This doesnt make much sense. Why is ever too early to start solving??

[Bonatogether]

I haven't played with Bona, but do you think he's a sensible enough player that it's actually his scum persona that would be more careful to not be so flagrantly scummy?

As town, he has an incentive to be bold about pressing what he thinks is clearly a caught scum. As scum, he has an incentive to not draw attention to himself until he can be more sure of pressing his mis-kill successfully...

People do not think I am sensible but at least I can read celaph.

What is your read of me this game?

I townread you

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Please do NOT daykill me, seriously.

If you are the shaman and I picked up on your breadcrumbs, I'm going to feel really bad.

Maniac pushing Jamie to PR claim, and thinking hes a PR; but trying to elim him anyway.

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##Vote Maniac

[Vecna]

PART DREI

if jamie flips town bunny looks bad imo

If Jamie flips town and Bunny flips town Bob looks bad imo

What an odd thing to respond to.

Im more and more starting to see this Ghug/Bunny connection thingy

##vote Jamie

I don't really dislike any of these wagons. I'd also look quite favourably upon a damo wagon... *Especially* if kgray has really been vaporised.

Hmmm. thoughts, thinkaments

possibly?

I dno

7-6-6

its down to rdr and kgray unless they got vaporized.

This is really odd again.

Why is lfischl not weirded out if Kgray is actively lurking, while he is talking to her in dip, by his own words?

wifom-distancing?

Anyway, regarding kgray - I can absolutely believe that damo would be the sort of person who would vaporise someone and then vote them for not participating enough.

Quoting again to check after wall-posting how the timing on this worked out

Anyway, regarding kgray - I can absolutely believe that damo would be the sort of person who would vaporise someone and then vote them for not participating enough.

That does sound amusing

Im pretty sure this post violates the EMC-Metric and he just scumclaimed

Should've let him continue missing that

That would be very scummy of me.

Alternatively, I guess Jamiet being scum would be a pretty good reason why HR ended up dead and im still alive. Unless im very wrong about all my other scumreads obviously. Thatd be a pretty great reason as well.

I want to hear from worcej and Bunny go before the end of day. Bunny go despite his earlier characterization of the Jamiet wagon in withering terms ('because he was insufficiently angry') is still on Jamie, why?

If anyone's getting saved, it's Chaqa. Super strong opinions against Jamiet as soon as Chaqa went into the lead. 0/10 takes by brain bomb. Maybe 0.5/10 with 0.5 credit for bringing up the possibility of a save.

I very much disliked your wagon. And while I disagree with chaqas tendencies to play like this, I’ve given up trying to stop them and instead just ignore and deal with after a day or two.
Meanwhile Jamie opened the day pushing a “FIND THE ALIEN AT ALL COSTS” and continues advocating for strongly anti town play just in case kgray was the alien and chooses to help us.

Brain and now Ghug get scum points for this too.

Oooh interesting, a call out on all the usual vecna suspects.

Now that is a juicy data point
@bunny - what did Ghug and brain do for you to call them out like this?

Ending the wall here so Bunny has higher odds of seeing ^this^ question

[Bonatogether]

Vote Count 3.02
Bonatogether (5) BunnyGo, BobMcBob, Jasnah, Damo666, Jamiet99uk
Jamiet99uk (2) Macca573, Bonatogether
Vecna (1) rdrivera2005
Foxcastle (1) Maniac
damo666 (1) brainbomb

Non-voters: celaph, Foxcastle, ghug, lfischl, thamrick, Vecna, worcej

Bonatogether has the most votes.

(Macca is endvoting)
Not enough posts: Maniac, Lfischl, thamrick, worcej

Approximately 1 Day and 10 hours remain in this phase.

Wild. You guys don't have time to policy kill me with 6 scum running around.

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Maniacs posts feel nervous, trying to hide behind his Britishness. His open attempts shamelessly to get Jamie to claim, combined with I completely forgot Maniac is even in this game. He was day 1 lowest poster other than kgray as well.

[Bonatogether]

@damo Why are you hammering me? I'm not confirmed to be anything.

[jasnah]

Jasnah, your math is wrong, Item Thief likely has an item by now. so the only scum youd catch is the gunman.

Do you agree that
a. Item thief did not have an item in N1?
b. Anyone who can prove they had an item in N1, such as by talking in sat phone QT then, or by using base pass to immediately make a scan, can't be item thief?

I'm obviously not referring to people all on D5 talking about the items they're holding then. But I trust that even here, people's memory isn't defective enough that they won't be able to remember what they were holding on D1.

In any case, I am pretty sure the person whose item was stolen would be notified, right? Given that they have to be told they can no longer do whatever it was that the item enabled them to do in the first place. So someone whose item is actually stolen is a likely town.

[jasnah]

##Call GM When does a player find out if their item was stolen?