Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

[Bonatogether]

bona played a blatantly obnoxious scumgame last time
he was pretty widely townread before being scanned
i feel like he may be purposefully ignoring the obviously correct answers
he didnt back down last game as scum despite being told he was wrong and knowing he was wrong
as town id expect him to not so stubbornly stick to what he knows is wrong

Last game was a fluke and it would never work again precisely because everyone brings it up when discussing my meta.

thats exactly why it would work again
if you are actually town perhaps stop stubbornly sticking to your blatantly stupid ideas

IT WOULDNT

I know what I'm doing and I shall continue to do it

[BobMcBob]

wrong on both counts

correct
bona is either
1) obnoxious, stubborn and misguided town
2) scum trying to push something stupid

Everyone keeps bringing up option 2 so darn much. Everyone knows I did and would do that, so option 2 (doing literally the same damn thing) is a moronic idea. My towniness is literally so clear here

if that is the case, why are you not being widely townread?
and why are you playing so anti-town?
and why do you have to employ the classic wifom defence of "oh it sure wouldnt work this time because i did it last time"?

[BobMcBob]

Last game was a fluke and it would never work again precisely because everyone brings it up when discussing my meta.

thats exactly why it would work again
if you are actually town perhaps stop stubbornly sticking to your blatantly stupid ideas

IT WOULDNT

I know what I'm doing and I shall continue to do it

##vote bona

[BobMcBob]

There's no guarantee that kgray wasn't alien researcher

this is a possibility that should linger in the back of our minds, but jamie should not considered for dk for a while assuming no cc

[Bonatogether]

correct
bona is either
1) obnoxious, stubborn and misguided town
2) scum trying to push something stupid

Everyone keeps bringing up option 2 so darn much. Everyone knows I did and would do that, so option 2 (doing literally the same damn thing) is a moronic idea. My towniness is literally so clear here

if that is the case, why are you not being widely townread?
and why are you playing so anti-town?
and why do you have to employ the classic wifom defence of "oh it sure wouldnt work this time because i did it last time"?

cause i'm not playing great

cause i want to

cause i feel like it

[Bonatogether]

thats exactly why it would work again
if you are actually town perhaps stop stubbornly sticking to your blatantly stupid ideas

IT WOULDNT

I know what I'm doing and I shall continue to do it

##vote bona

[Bonatogether]

There's no guarantee that kgray wasn't alien researcher

this is a possibility that should linger in the back of our minds, but jamie should not considered for dk for a while assuming no cc

true

[BobMcBob]

Tinfoil theory: Is it possible the Jailor has a Satellite Phone and EMC said something in the Phone QT that made the Jailor think EMC was something more useful than a VT?

Sat phones are nighttime only.

why do you know that?

says in the setup
also says that jailer is start of night choice so i guess goodbye fun tinfoil theory

[BobMcBob]

i could conceive of bona being town here, but its unlikely
he is more likely scum who realises hes playing bad but realises he can use a wifom defence and by seeming careless will deflect attention
i do not expect this kind of play from town bona
if he is town i suggest he backs down and stops playing one of the worst towngames ive seen since i was starting out

[Bonatogether]

i could conceive of bona being town here, but its unlikely
he is more likely scum who realises hes playing bad but realises he can use a wifom defence and by seeming careless will deflect attention
i do not expect this kind of play from town bona
if he is town i suggest he backs down and stops playing one of the worst towngames ive seen since i was starting out

I decline. I will continue playing as I like.

[BobMcBob]

i could conceive of bona being town here, but its unlikely
he is more likely scum who realises hes playing bad but realises he can use a wifom defence and by seeming careless will deflect attention
i do not expect this kind of play from town bona
if he is town i suggest he backs down and stops playing one of the worst towngames ive seen since i was starting out

I decline. I will continue playing as I like.

okay, i will continue pushing for your death
and i wont apologise if you flip town any more than i did for chaqa

[Bonatogether]

i could conceive of bona being town here, but its unlikely
he is more likely scum who realises hes playing bad but realises he can use a wifom defence and by seeming careless will deflect attention
i do not expect this kind of play from town bona
if he is town i suggest he backs down and stops playing one of the worst towngames ive seen since i was starting out

I decline. I will continue playing as I like.

okay, i will continue pushing for your death
and i wont apologise if you flip town any more than i did for chaqa

[brainbomb]

can you both shut the fuck up lol. youve rambled about each other for forty pages

[BobMcBob]

can you both shut the fuck up lol. youve rambled about each other for forty pages

but like hes probably scum
but sure ill put him on "mute" for the rest of the day unless he does something beyond stupid

[ghug]

##GM NOTE
for the bot
(and for enquiring minds)

EMC was found later... his tongue apparently pulled out by pliars. Official work, no doubt, keeping order. HIs face was sad.

e.m.c^42 has died. He was Al Barthomolew Einstein, a Vanilla Townie.

He was gripping the remains of a satelite phone.

Can we talk about who tf would jail emc?

someone who thought we was pr or had a useful item?
a scumteam vaporising kgray and jailing emc is rather funky though

Scumslip??

[BobMcBob]

Can we talk about who tf would jail emc?

someone who thought we was pr or had a useful item?
a scumteam vaporising kgray and jailing emc is rather funky though

Scumslip??

lmao that was meant to say he
i really hope youre just trying to piss me off and not actually serious

[jasnah]

OK..as has been discussed..the satellite phone are NIGHT TIME ONLY communication. Unless MP didn't make jail until middle of the night. It's not possible that emc was jailed because of anything he said.

There are other things that emc said, but they were removed by GM for constituting rules violation after which I explicitly asked GMs and was told not to discuss them, and so I'm not going to discuss them. I can't help that they will probably affect my reads in some way, but the 'leaks' were nothing so egregious that I secretly know all scum and have to pretend to be ignorant. Unless GMs tell me I can start talking about these details I'll have to leave any questions about what emc said unanswered.

I'm highly unimpressed with what seems like failure to given the setup even a basic glance from Bob McBob and Macca. This isn't pro-town behaviour. Bona's continuing to push uncc'ed town PR over literally any other lead is also asinine.

##vote Bona

[jasnah]

OK..as has been discussed..the satellite phone are NIGHT TIME ONLY communication. Unless MP didn't make jail until middle of the night. It's not possible that emc was jailed because of anything he said.

There are other things that emc said, but they were removed by GM for constituting rules violation after which I explicitly asked GMs and was told not to discuss them, and so I'm not going to discuss them. I can't help that they will probably affect my reads in some way, but the 'leaks' were nothing so egregious that I secretly know all scum and have to pretend to be ignorant. Unless GMs tell me I can start talking about these details I'll have to leave any questions about what emc said unanswered.

I'm highly unimpressed with what seems like failure to given the setup even a basic glance from Bob McBob and Macca. This isn't pro-town behaviour. Bona's continuing to push uncc'ed town PR over literally any other lead is also asinine.

##vote Bona

I can't find the most recent edition of rules but I saw them once, realize maybe above is itself a violation. This was inadvertent, please do not spam GM any more on my account.

For fuck's sake this game is hard. Got to spend more time figuring what I can legally do than killing scum.

D1 was TvTvT, which means for all you enterprising wannabe analysts, a whole lotta useless nothing. Even more of a bad look on anyone who was pushing the 'can't be all town hurr durr' angle, which makes Foxcastle a reasonable push

[jasnah]

The alien ray gun was almost certainly held by the Secretary, the Man in Black, or the MP.

Alien, the only other evil with an item, shouldn't waste the ray gun early in D1 when it could be so useful in gaining a late-game edge, and if town hip fired kgray then vegged they deserve to lose.

Therefore there are two remaining unaccounted for mafia items that were held from D1, and one alien item.

Aside from emc there are two more N1 sat phone claims. Macca also claims to have been holding a base pass N1. Already me + two other N1 sat phones + Macca can't all be evil, assuming Macca's not lying about his base pass, which is a minimum but tolerable start.

Anyone else who can credibly claim that they had an item N1 is cleared from being item thief or gunman, and if they come forward we'll have a pool of >4 people of which maximum 3 can be scum.

[jasnah]

The alien ray gun was almost certainly held by the Secretary, the Man in Black, or the MP.

Alien, the only other evil with an item, shouldn't waste the ray gun early in D1 when it could be so useful in gaining a late-game edge, and if town hip fired kgray then vegged they deserve to lose.

Therefore there are two remaining unaccounted for mafia items that were held from D1, and one alien item.

Aside from emc there are two more N1 sat phone claims. Macca also claims to have been holding a base pass N1. Already me + two other N1 sat phones + Macca can't all be evil, assuming Macca's not lying about their base pass, which is a minimum but tolerable start.

Anyone else who can credibly claim that they had an item N1 is cleared from being item thief or gunman, and if they come forward we'll have a pool of >4 people of which maximum 3 can be scum.

My apologies