Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

[BobMcBob]

if nobody cc's (which i doubt will happen) its safe to say jamie is town
unless of course kgray was researcher in which case yikes
fortunately unlikely
its not horrible that he got outed, mafia doesnt want to kill him and alien doesnt really want to kill i think

[brainbomb]

the alien could already be dead

[BobMcBob]

the alien could already be dead

theoretically yes
also reasonably unlikely

[Jamiet99uk]

It's not a good idea for the Mafia to try to kill me, since I can't hunt them, only the Alien.

[brainbomb]

macca is probably town also. If scum scanned Jamie and he was area 51, I would think there wouldve been a lot more hesitation by macca

[brainbomb]

the alien could already be dead

theoretically yes
also reasonably unlikely

Jasnah should discuss emcs thoughts from walkie chat now, sans anything that was deemed modkill worthy. like if there was any indication of him being alien or what was talked about in there

[damo666]

##unvote

[BobMcBob]

macca is probably town also. If scum scanned Jamie and he was area 51, I would think there wouldve been a lot more hesitation by macca

agreed
this is very much a townie play from macca here
id be extremely surprised and impressed if macca is mafia

[brainbomb]

##unvote

[ghug]

I haven't read since page 81, and I won't be online for the first half of D2. However:

##VOTE jamie
##END

Major negative ghugpoints.

[brainbomb]

##Call GM

emc is ineligible to be visited by a shaman; yes?

[ghug]

So, D1 was either:
a) a TvTvT waste. In this case it's maybe worth looking at wagons that didn't materialize (all the high schoolers, strangely, and Vecna, who acts like one), but mostly it just sucks.
b) a jasnah save. This one's my favorite, at least pre-writing. First votes on jas were Chaqa/damo/bona/Fox, which put her tied for first, with only a Fox vote on Vecna in between (Jamie was in the lead here, so this could point to a Jamie/Fox team). This put her into a tie with Chaqa and Jamie. lfischl put Chaqa back ahead, emc tied it. Celaph put her in the lead, bona moved to tie it as he does. Brain put Chaqa in the lead. Bona moved back to tie it. Bunny and celaph moved to Jamie (putting him back in the running) and Chaqa (putting him in the lead) respectively. I moved to jasnah to tie it. Then thamrick jumps on Chaqa, Riot jumps on Jamie, and bona moves to tie again, making it 7-7-5. I, emc, and damo then pile on Chaqa in that order. In this scenario, I think damo, Fox, emc, and I look good (I always look good), emc and bona could go either way, and lfischl, brain, Bunny, thamrick, and Riot look bad. The fact that that many people would look bad makes me think there was a save involving a couple of scum and a couple of unwitting town.
c) a Jamie save, here I look pretty bad because I broke the tie. All those early voters on jasnah look not great, especially Fox because he also briefly tried to make Vecna competitive. Fischy still looks bad, brain too, maybe celaph, thamrick. Riot looks good, Bunny looks good. Bona's still hard to read based on the VCA, but probably a little better because he ended up killing the jasnah wagon to force a tie between Chaqa and Jamie.
d) a double save. lfischl, brain, thamrick, maybe me look bad here. Fox, emc, damo, Bunny, HR all look pretty good. Probably Bona too, as he only voted Chaqa early in the day.

Why haven't you included me in the discussion of the Jasnah save? Surely I look worse there for switching off.

Except you put her in the lead to begin with. I don't thinkn scum is that likely to stake out and then abandon a big bus like that. You should be in the meh category with bona and emc.

[ghug]

Why Jasnah over Jamie from your perspective? Also, is it really so unlikely to be TvTvT that we should dismiss the possibility all together?

Mainly because I townread one and scumread the other, though there is the secondary factor that there are more people who seem to make sense as jasnah savers.

I'm not dismissing TvTvT. I just can't do much wagon analysis in that case.

Thanks Damo.

Ok to be fair, the quote was mostly mine, and it was a fair question to me too, and I haven't been sober for most of the day.

[ghug]

Jamie if youre really Alien Researcher youre basically outted now. tell us more

I'm afraid so.

In addition, the Deputy does not differentiate between Mafia members who work at AREA-51 and town PR’s that work at AREA-51. The Alien Researcher and potentially 0-2 Miller’s.

This is not good for Town. I wish Macca had read the setup more carefully.

We're pretty screwed now.

Does that mean Macca is the deputy claiming prematurely or is there some item?

[ghug]

##CALLGM please tell us emc's role

[Jamiet99uk]

##CALLGM please tell us emc's role

Actually yeah this is a point. If someone is modkilled it's normal for them to be flipped as normal and their role declared.

This is a game with an information imbalance, so not doing this favours the Mafia.

[Foxcastle]

RIP HR & EMC

I meant to get on before EON to give a read.

A think Foxtail is scum. He was around EOD1 but didn't choose between the main wagons. When I asked him about this he said it's good to have votes spread out D1. I can't get my breath at this comment. If town spread their votes in a game like this with six mafia who have daychat, then mafia can win easily. I don't often scum read people for bad play, but this is so awful and I rate Foxtail as a player and can't believe he could play so badly. ##vote Foxtail

Well, that was dramatic.

[Foxcastle]

When I said Maniac's post was dramatic, I had not read the ensuing several pages that were actually more dramatic.

[Bonatogether]

Unsurprisingly, I have a guilty on Jamie. Considering the Miller's dead, I'm fairly sure in my decision.

##vote jamie

[Foxcastle]

The night reveal post says "several" deaths although only 2 are listed.

There must be at least another death that is unreported.

##CALL GM: Does "several" in the flavor text mean that it is possible that more people died than were announced in the EON1 post?