Mafia 65: Dreamland II [Hidden]

[ghug]

You must answer to the almighty praetor ghuggley moog

I answer to no one

I do find it quite amusing that it took almost 24 hours for ghug to feel that Jamie's end of day reactions were 'town Jamie to a T', though.

This is terribly inaccurate. I voted Chaqa over Jamie in the moment, for one. Early in the night, I told Bob Jamie looked very townie in the final minutes of the day. I said I preferred the jasnah save option when I analyzed EoD. I told jasnah I thought Jamie was pretty town. Why are you lying?

[brainbomb]

Im not doing any end of night reads for you worthless fools

[Vecna]

are you not confident vecna?

Im quite a bit behind atm, but I dont think town has anything to be confident over?

Townkill D1, a janitored kill on Kgray

And what feels like to be a very stacked scum team opposing us.

Plenty of quality players alive, including me. Didnt you praise my reads as amazing a week ago? when you killed me N1 for being deserving of death?

Your reads are of little use to me if I cannot trust them though.

And this setup was extremely stacked against town to begin with. Anyways, we'll see.

[brainbomb]

theres like 9 invest roles in the setup vecna, how are we screwed? are you on meth?

[brainbomb]

if scum got all the area 51 cop kits and chaqa died holding the oracle moss then MAYBE, MAYBE were screwed. but given kgray died that seems less likely

[Foxcastle]

Im not doing any end of night reads for you worthless fools

Players stopped doing these more than a year ago, it seems. Which is too bad, I think they helped town.

[Vecna]

theres like 9 invest roles in the setup vecna, how are we screwed? are you on meth?

You asked me if I was confident. I said there was no reason to be confident.

I never talked about screwed. Difference.

[Jamiet99uk]

If I am the alien how well have I played so far?

This is exactly the question *you* would ask if you were the Alien.

[Hellenic Riot]

You must answer to the almighty praetor ghuggley moog

I answer to no one

I do find it quite amusing that it took almost 24 hours for ghug to feel that Jamie's end of day reactions were 'town Jamie to a T', though.

This is terribly inaccurate. I voted Chaqa over Jamie in the moment, for one. Early in the night, I told Bob Jamie looked very townie in the final minutes of the day. I said I preferred the jasnah save option when I analyzed EoD. I told jasnah I thought Jamie was pretty town. Why are you lying?

Voting Chaqa over Jamie is massively different to offering up any defence of Jamie whatsoever when he was actually on the block. I look at your EoD and don't see anything at all that suggests that you'd be that bothered if Jamie were the one who ended up getting flipped.

[ghug]

Im not doing any end of night reads for you worthless fools

Players stopped doing these more than a year ago, it seems. Which is too bad, I think they helped town.

How? I think it's valuable for people to put all their opinions out there, but there's no reason for it to be in full read lists or specifically at EoN.

[jasnah]

I'll do EON reads. I won't be analyzing these and most if not all requests for me to show my work will not be entertained. I don't like explaining myself and there's too much of import at this EON for us to start having the serious talks until after it goes through.

Confirmed town
Emc

I like these people
Maniac
Bob McBob
Celaph
lfischl
worcej

Grudgingly, I'll town lean this individual
Ghug

I don't like these people
Damo
Bona
Macca

Giving me a headache. Someone else sort these individuals out
Jamiet
HR
Vecna

If I didn't write your name, you're not yet important enough for me to concern myself with you.

[brainbomb]

reads list became a festering swamp for imbecile town and opportunistic scum to hatch random crap and call it content

[ghug]

I answer to no one

I do find it quite amusing that it took almost 24 hours for ghug to feel that Jamie's end of day reactions were 'town Jamie to a T', though.

This is terribly inaccurate. I voted Chaqa over Jamie in the moment, for one. Early in the night, I told Bob Jamie looked very townie in the final minutes of the day. I said I preferred the jasnah save option when I analyzed EoD. I told jasnah I thought Jamie was pretty town. Why are you lying?

Voting Chaqa over Jamie is massively different to offering up any defence of Jamie whatsoever when he was actually on the block. I look at your EoD and don't see anything at all that suggests that you'd be that bothered if Jamie were the one who ended up getting flipped.

I voted Chaqa in direct response to something Jamie said, Jamie never led again, and I clarified that I in fact had begun to townread Jamie after night started. I'm not sure what more you want from me, or why you're moving the goalposts from "you didn't decide he was town until 24 hours later" to "you didn't vociferously defend him during the day".

[brainbomb]

I'll do EON reads. I won't be analyzing these and most if not all requests for me to show my work will not be entertained. I don't like explaining myself and there's too much of import at this EON for us to start having the serious talks until after it goes through.

Confirmed town
Emc

I like these people
Maniac
Bob McBob
Celaph
lfischl
worcej

Grudgingly, I'll town lean this individual
Ghug

I don't like these people
Damo
Bona
Macca

Giving me a headache. Someone else sort these individuals out
Jamiet
HR
Vecna

If I didn't write your name, you're not yet important enough for me to concern myself with you.

[Jamiet99uk]

Townreads:
Ghug
Foxcastle
Bob Mac Bob
Rdrivera


Non-Town reads:
Worcej
Macca
lfischl
BunnyGo

[Hellenic Riot]

This is terribly inaccurate. I voted Chaqa over Jamie in the moment, for one. Early in the night, I told Bob Jamie looked very townie in the final minutes of the day. I said I preferred the jasnah save option when I analyzed EoD. I told jasnah I thought Jamie was pretty town. Why are you lying?

Voting Chaqa over Jamie is massively different to offering up any defence of Jamie whatsoever when he was actually on the block. I look at your EoD and don't see anything at all that suggests that you'd be that bothered if Jamie were the one who ended up getting flipped.

I voted Chaqa in direct response to something Jamie said, Jamie never led again, and I clarified that I in fact had begun to townread Jamie after night started. I'm not sure what more you want from me, or why you're moving the goalposts from "you didn't decide he was town until 24 hours later" to "you didn't vociferously defend him during the day".

You're saying he was obvtown based on his reactions. You did not say that until a good 24 hours later. You *certainly* did not say that at the time when he was in danger. I don't think of you as someone who gets a strong townread on someone but is perfectly happy to let them get daykilled anyway. I haven't moved any goalposts, and none of your explanations are liable to change my opinion that the timeline is all wrong for these thoughts.

[Jamiet99uk]

reads list became a festering swamp for imbecile town and opportunistic scum to hatch random crap and call it content

You are wrong.

[brainbomb]

no

[Jamiet99uk]

I townread Uclabb

There you go again.

[Hellenic Riot]

EoN1 Reads:

BobMcBob - No particularly strong opinion, but the way he's been determined to stick to his 'deliberately changed meta' despite it potentially upsetting people strikes me as somewhat townie. Lean town.

Bonatogether - After last game proved Bona will act this way as either alignment, I have nothing at all. Null.

brainbomb - Leaning town

BunnyGo - Fairly reasonable, quite unflappable, and overall reasonably townie.

celaph - Blatant town. The total lack of confidence from last game is completely gone, and he's completely back to his normal natural self.

damo666 - Everything damo has said or done has been fairly logical and easy to understand... Which is exactly the problem. There's been none of the usual damo illogical weirdness. In fact there's been very little of anything at all, it's all been amazingly mild and inoffensive. And I still think he's exactly the sort of person who'd shoot kgray and then vote her for not participating. Solid scumread.

emc - Not really a lot of content, but I *am* pretty surprised that emc rolled for Chaqa there given he'd said nothing at all about Jamie beforehand but had said things that implied he felt Chaqa was town. So I don't really like that Chaqa vote at the end. Slight scum.

Foxcastle - Has been pretty reticent to give much reasoning or many thoughts at all, despite throwing a few votes around... None of them came with much in the way of justification. Null.

ghug - There was (I thought) a perfectly good reason for people to sit on the Chaqa wagon at the EoD1, which is that Chaqa is exactly the sort of scum player to see he's in the lead and therefore not come back and hope people change of their own accord. This nearly led to me flipping onto Chaqa toward the end. And it's exactly what I expected ghug to say when pushed about his vote. Instead, he doubled down on some highly dubious policy arguments, and then suddenly also invented a massive townread on Jamie that was absolutely nowhere to be seen during the entire EoD where Jamie was one vote behind Chaqa. I also find the focus on Jasnah to be some very low hanging fruit shit. Strong scumread.

Jamie - I still feel like there quite a lot off without how he played D1, and his mood-flips felt pretty forced at times and never seemed to be the logical or natural outcome of where the game was going. There's also the fact that almost all of my strong or even weak scumreads were on the Chaqa wagon. Would a large scum team really go out of the way to save Jamie though? Meh. Still fairly scum.

Jasnah - Whilst I find it pretty amusing when people constantly toot their own horn above all else, she is playing somewhat differently this game and seems to be more actively hunting. But given that I would expect people to evolve their game, I'm not too convinced that this is either a towntell or a scumtell. Null

Lfischl - Berry angery. Null.

Macca573 - Much the same as last game I feel like Macca is coasting by getting very little attention and avoiding doing anything offensive. Probably the only D1 Jamie voter I have any real suspicions on at this point. Slight scum.

Maniac - Is Maniac. Doesn't feel as stiff as he did last game, though, so I'm inclined to lean town on him this time.

rdrivera2005 - For the time in what must be centuries, I don't scumread rdrivera in the early part of a game. So he's probably mafia. But I like his questioning tonight, so he's actually town. Except if he isn't.

thamrick - Exists...?

Vecna - Felt very coasty D1. Not that that's especially unusual for Vecna. Can't say I'm really a fan of the way he stuck on the Chaqa wagon til the end though, and feel like he passed up a lot of opportunities to push on people that I don't normally see him pass up on. Maybe he'll wake up tomorrow, or maybe he's actually just scum this time. Slight scum

worcej - I struggle to believe that as scum he'd basically tell Jamie he was policy voting him because he didn't like his actions regarding kgray. I struggle even more to believe that worcej, as part of a scumteam that (seemingly) vaporised kgray, would go out of his way to loudly comment his disdain about the somewhat dubious ways people were trying to ascertain if kgray were really dead. Probably town.